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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

955.0. "Reaction to Death" by COMET::DYBEN () Wed Aug 10 1994 12:36

    
    Yesterday I read my mail and was informed that a friend had passed
    away. This knowledge caused the expected emotional reaction followed
    by another familiar reaction, what happened to his soul? I was raised
    for the first part of my life to believe what the catholics thought
    happened and then in the latter part of my life I was taught the
    protestant expectation( sleep, then awake on judgement day). What
    do you think happens? John Covert if you would please explain the
    Catholic perspective I would appreciate it( my recollection is foggy).
    The man who died was Catholic....
    
    
    DAvid
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955.1CSC32::J_CHRISTIEAccept no substitutes!Wed Aug 10 1994 14:195
My condolences in the loss of your friend, David.

Shalom,
Richard

955.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Aug 10 1994 16:5911
Everything about the state of the soul between death and judgment day is
"speculative theology".

When you consider that eternity lies outside the concept of physical time,
you realize that judgment day has already happened, so it can neither be
said that souls are "asleep until judgment day" nor can it be said that
there is any sort of specific amount of time necessary for those who have
done good to be completely washed free of all the muck and dirt left by
their human life before they enter into heaven.

/john
955.3Death is likened to sleepSALEM::RUSSOThu Aug 11 1994 02:3832
>Note 955.0                      Reaction to Death           COMET::DYBEN    
    
>    Yesterday I read my mail and was informed that a friend had passed
>    away. This knowledge caused the expected emotional reaction followed
>    by another familiar reaction, what happened to his soul? I was raised
>    for the first part of my life to believe what the catholics thought
>    happened and then in the latter part of my life I was taught the
>    protestant expectation( sleep, then awake on judgement day). What
>    do you think happens? 

 David,
 God kindly left us answers. I have mentioned below a few of the many answers 
 recorded for us. 
 God has left us a hopeful future for mankind. Relief from death is promised at
 1 Cor 15:26. We can be sure of this based on what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15:20-22;
Just as death is through Adam so all are dying, there is a hope of resurrection
of the dead through Jesus Christ. God also had recorded for us many scriptures
that explain the condition of the dead. I invite you to look them up in your
own copy of the Bible; scriptures such as Ecc 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4 which show the
dead are unconscious and know nothing. Scriptures such as Ezekiel 18:4 show 
it is the man, the soul, that dies. Death was likened to sleep by Jesus himself
in John 11:11 "Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there
to awaken him from sleep". Verse 13 makes it clear Jesus was speaking of 
death. The account at John 11 is so very informative. It tells us not only
about the condition of the dead but that a resurrection hope is real. Also,
think of the wonderful qualities shown by Jesus. He wept over Lazarus' death
even though he was going to resurrect him shortly. Such a loving and kind
man, a perfect reflection of his heavenly father. Other upbuilding scriptures
can keep us in expectation of the joy we will enjoy in the future under the 
rulership and benefits of God's Kingdom.Heb 1:1-3; Isa 9:6,7;Rev 21:2-4.

robin
955.4Comfort in that the suffering of our dead loves does not continue.PIECES::curlew.reo.dec.com::yerkessThu Aug 11 1994 03:5123
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David,

I too have been touched by death with the loss of two dear friends
this year. In each case the deaths were expected, never the less they
have brought real grief to all concerned. I too wish to offer
my condolences to you. Please can I encourage you to read the 
scriptures that Robin mentioned in 955.3, for they have brought
me comfort in knowing that the suffering of dear loved ones does
not continue after death. But they give a hope of a resurrection
during Christ's Millenial rule (Acts 24:15), in that God will
remember ones that have fallen asleep in death (Compare John 5:28,29).
You mention the Judgement Day, well people will have already paid the
price of sin (Romans 6:23), so they will be judged on how they live 
their lives during Christ's Thousand year reign which will be under 
the right conditions eg no suffering as we see today. The miracles
Jesus performed while on earth give us a garantee of the wonderful
works he will perform during his Millenial rule. Hence, the 
resurrection hope is such a wonderful one to look forward to, as
we have the opportunity of greeting loved ones back.

Phil.
955.5COMET::DYBENThu Aug 11 1994 09:338
    
    Last few
    
    
     Thank you for your kind words.
    
    
    David
955.6face to face with our LordTPSYS::WESTMon Aug 15 1994 13:3516

"Therefore, we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in  
 the body we are away from the Lord.  We live by faith and not by sight. We are 
 confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with   
 the Lord."				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^
			2 Cor 5:6-8

 Coupled with Paul's statement "To die is gain," I believe your friend
 is face to face with our Lord.  What a comfort that is for believers.

 My condolences, especially at a time of unexpected death.


 Bob