[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

849.0. "Not with gold or pearls or costly array" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Honorary Lesbian) Tue Feb 08 1994 22:16

I Timothy 2:9-10  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in
modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with
broided hair, or �gold,� or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh �women� professing godliness) with
good works. [kjv]

I Timothy advises against women wearing jewelry, gold anyway.  Hmmmm.
'Spose that includes her gold wedding set, too?  I've got to admit,
rings are symbols inherited from pagan traditions.

Richard

T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
849.1JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed Feb 09 1994 01:445
    Hmmm... you get a real kick out of this don't you? 
    
    Read the entire text and put this verse in its proper context and its
    basically validating that appearances are vain... its the inward person
    God looks at.
849.2JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRAWed Feb 09 1994 09:197
    RE: .1
    
    Nancy,
     Your explaination sounds correct. No problem at all. But, again,
    scripture needs to be studied and interpreted...always.
    
    Marc H.
849.3AKOCOA::FLANAGANhonor the webWed Feb 09 1994 12:335
    Does that mean that makeup, manicures, breast implants, hair coloring,
    hair implants, etc, etc, are all evil.  Each keeps us from focusing on
    what is really important.
    
    
849.4JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed Feb 09 1994 13:1319
    .3
    
    Patricia, you may not like my answer, but YES, they are evil.  When
    someone has been given their body in which to live by our God, then we
    should accept that body as is.
    
    The only exception to that rule [which is questionable imho as well] is
    for disfigurement.  I believe  that changing something that already
    exists in perfect working order and fixing something that exists in not
    so good working order are two different things.
    
    I find it very disturbing that men change themselves into women and
    women change themselves into men...  because of some mental element
    that says I'm trapped in a body that isn't me.
    
    It is much better to address the emotional element then to cosmetically
    cover up the real issues.
    
    Nancy
849.5Before we jump to the fringeHURON::MYERSWed Feb 09 1994 13:575
    > I find it very disturbing that men change themselves into women and
    > women change themselves into men...  because of some mental element
    > that says I'm trapped in a body that isn't me.
    
    Yeah, but... the question was is it evil to wear earrings and lipstick.
849.6CSC32::J_CHRISTIEHonorary LesbianWed Feb 09 1994 14:416
    Yeah, I know the thrust of what .0 is getting at.  I also know that
    it squares with the *Book*, and thus, according to some anyway, making
    everyone's personal perspectives moot.
    
    Richard
    
849.7JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed Feb 09 1994 16:244
    .5  take a look at .3, other things were brought up, I addressed those
    other things.
    
    Nancy
849.8APACHE::MYERSThu Feb 10 1994 10:0111
    re Note 849.7 by JULIET::MORALES_NA 

    > .5  take a look at .3, other things were brought up, I addressed those
    > other things.

    You addressed those other things, and them some, without addressing the
    fundamental question of the base note. Unless in your broad statement
    of "... YES, they are evil" you were referring to jewelry, braided
    (broidered) hair, makeup, and pretty clothes.

    Eric
849.9AKOCOA::FLANAGANhonor the webThu Feb 10 1994 10:3910
    How about pierced ears?
    
    Are pierced ears an abomination?
    
    A mutilation of the body for the sake of decoration.
    
    
    By the way, I have pierced ears?
    
    Patricia
849.10my cut on .0CVG::THOMPSONWho will rid me of this meddlesome priest?Thu Feb 10 1994 11:1811
    I think the verses in .0 and the others around it are a plea to
    avoid ostentatiousness. I think that perhaps modest is a relative
    term but one that is useful none the less. I think the references
    to gold and pearls and braided hair refer to things that can all too
    easily be over done. The over riding thread of I Timothy 2 seems to
    me that deeds are more important then physical appearance. If we
    seek to be seen as "good" by what we wear then we are missing the
    mark. Rather there are other things that we should set out that others
    should notice.

    			Alfred
849.11JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeThu Feb 10 1994 13:2818
    Alfred, that is exactly what I meant.  I don't want to focus on the
    semantics of pierced ears [tho' I don't have them] and wot not.
    
    However,
    I do not know one person who had breast implant that did it for God...
    
    Or
    
    A person who had a facelift for God...  
    
    Most of the time these kinds of surgeries are cosmetic to meet one of
    the rudimental desires in our lives, sex, money, greed.. [as entered
    into another note]...
    
    Nancy
    
    Nancy
    
849.12AIMHI::JMARTINThu Feb 10 1994 14:433
    I think the base note means, get your priorities straight!
    
    -Jack