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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

764.0. "Grace at Mealtimes" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Pacifist Hellcat) Sat Nov 20 1993 20:22

    What, if anything, do you presently do about saying "grace" or
    pausing for a word of remembrance or thanks at mealtimes?
    
    If you had it to do things differently, what would you change
    regarding mealtime grace?
    
    Peace,
    Richard
    
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764.1CVG::THOMPSONWho will rid me of this meddlesome priest?Sat Nov 20 1993 20:415
    We pray out loud at every meal at home. Away we bow and pray silently.
    The one thing I would change is to say more different prayers. It is
    too easy to get into a habit that devalues the process.
    
    			Alfred
764.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSat Nov 20 1993 21:047
	The eyes of all wait upon thee, O Lord;
	  And thou givest them their meat in due season.

	Thou openest thine hand,
	  And fillest all things living with plenteousness.

764.3We say Peace.WELLER::FANNINSun Nov 21 1993 13:0810
    Our new family tradition is this:

    We all hold hands around the table and squeeze each others' hands while
    saying the word "peace."

    It is our acknowledgment of thanks to God and thanks to each other.

    My three-year old wouldn't dream of letting us eat without it...

    Ruth
764.4Now Thank We All Our GodCSC32::J_CHRISTIEPacifist HellcatSun Nov 21 1993 16:508
"Now Thank We All Our God" was written as a 2 stanza family grace.  It was
written by Martin Rinkart who wrote it while being starved at the end of the
Thirty Years War (1618-1648).  This hymn is frequently called the German
Te Deum.

Peace,
Richard

764.5JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRAMon Nov 22 1993 08:446
    We have a simple, but effective grace at each supper meal.
    
    "Food is for health, love is to share, with this food we grow and care.
    Amen".
    
    Marc H.
764.6COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Nov 26 1993 23:5327
re .4 "a two-stanza family grace"

 Rinckart wrote three stanzas:

Nun danket Alle Gott,			Der ewig reiche Gott
  Mit Herzen, Mund, und H�nden,		  Woll' uns in diesem Leben
Der grosse Dinge tut			Ein immer fr�hlich Herz
  An uns und allen Enden;		  Und edlen Frieden geben,
Der uns von Mutterleib			Und uns in seiner Gnad
Und Kindesbeinen an			Erhalten fort und fort,
Unz�hlig viel zu gut			Und uns aus aller Not
Bis hieher hat getan.			Erl�sen hier und dort.

			Lob, Ehr' und Preis sei Gott,
			  Der Vater und dem Sohne
			Und dem, der beiden gleich,
			  Im h�chsten Himmelsthrone,
			Dem einig h�chsten Gott,
			Als es anf�nglich war
			Und ist und bleiben wird
			Jetzund und immerdar!

It's based upon Ecclus 50:22-24, which also consists of thanksgiving, prayer,
and doxology.  Rinckart is believed to have published it in the 1636 edition
of his Jesu, Hertz-Buchlein, but the only extant copies are from 1663.

/john
764.7CSLALL::HENDERSONI'd rather have JesusSat Nov 27 1993 10:0718

   I live alone and pray before each meal, asking the Lord's blessing on the
food, as well as thanking him for it.  My 17 year old son has determined that
it is offensive to pray before meals, which doesn't slow me down, though I
notice that he usually sits with his arms folded and a look of disgust
on his face.   My 11 year old son, has grown accustomed to praying before
meals with me.  This weekend he and a friend of his have been staying with
me and last night as we sat down to eat, his friend dug in and Scott said
"wait til we pray"!

  We also will pray when we are out to eat, which seems to disturb Chris
 (17) considerably.




 Jim
764.8JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeSun Nov 28 1993 23:114
    Your teaching your son something that is lost for most of his
    generation, respect for God and his parent.
    
    Nancy
764.9Grace vs. RolaidsWELLER::FANNINThu Dec 02 1993 22:117
    I read something somewhere that people who say some kind of Prayer of
    Thanks before mealtime have less indigestion and fewer diet-related
    illnesses.
    
    Anyone hear of this?
    
    Ruth
764.10logicalCVG::THOMPSONWho will rid me of this meddlesome priest?Fri Dec 03 1993 07:3217
    
    >I read something somewhere that people who say some kind of Prayer of
    >Thanks before mealtime have less indigestion and fewer diet-related
    >illnesses.

    I haven't heard this but it does make sense. Stopping for prayer means
    a couple of things beyond the obvious making of a prayer and thanking
    God. 

    It means stopping and pausing - making a mental transition from work
    or play or what ever activity to eating. It gives the mind and body
    a chance to calm down as well as providing a mental putting aside of
    what might be bothering you. It's a reduction of stress as well. You could
    probably get much of the same benefit from talking to people as long as
    it was a change of subject.

    			Alfred
764.11Does'nt work for me :-(KARHU::DORSEYFri Dec 03 1993 11:119
    Re. .9
    
    Well i've been saying prayers before every meal for at least 28 years,
    and although it does have a calming effect,I have many allergies to
    foods that give me mild indigestion no matter what. So i guess i'm an
    exception to the rule,although I have not heard of that before either.
    
       JD
    
764.12CSC32::J_CHRISTIEInciting PeaceFri Dec 03 1993 11:209
    .11 Welcome JD!
    
    I'm with you.  I guess there's no gaurantee against dietary
    distress, except (in my case) to stay away from the enchiladas.
    Too bad, too.  I love 'em.
    
    Peace,
    Richard
    
764.13ThankfulnessCSC32::KINSELLAWhy be politically correct when you can be right?Mon Dec 06 1993 18:3410
    
    I eat out quite often with friends from my singles group.  We pray for
    whatever is on our hearts.  We also try to pray in the time between
    ordering and receiving the meal that way we don't feel like we have to
    hurry before the food gets cold.  Sometimes one person will pray, 
    sometimes we'll do sentence pray.  So it's different alot of the times.
    
    When I'm by myself, I'll bow my head and pray in silence.
    
    Jill