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| 741.1 | I'LL have to read his book | JUPITR::HILDEBRANT | I'm the NRA | Tue Oct 12 1993 09:36 | 8 |
| I would be interested in this discussion. I have a book of his
writings, that I haven't yet read.
Just reading the above quote, the comment seems true today......at
least I think that he is just making a comment on how Godless we have
become.
Marc H.
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| 741.2 | | TINCUP::BITTROLFF | Theologically Impaired | Tue Oct 12 1993 09:53 | 1 |
| Wasn't he a linebacker for the Green Bay Packers? :^)
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| 741.3 | | GRIM::MESSENGER | Bob Messenger | Tue Oct 12 1993 10:52 | 13 |
| Nietzsche is one of those writers whose books I've always wanted to read,
but I haven't yet found the time. Before trying to interpret his remark
that "God is dead" I'd first want to read the entire book where this
statement is made. The context in .0 helps, but it doesn't really tell
what Nietzsche felt about God and religion.
I'm also interested in the use Hilter made of Nietzsche's writings. Was
this just because of German cultural chauvinism or was Nietzsche's
philosophy a true forerunner of National Socialism? What would Nietzsche
have thought about Hitler? Again, I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions
about this before reading Nietzche's books.
-- Bob
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| 741.4 | Let me spell his name correctly to start | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 12 1993 11:05 | 20 |
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"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall
we, the murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which
was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed
has bled to death under our knives - who will wipe this blood
off us?"
Friedrich Nietzsche
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We've all read the amusing, and now trite, graffiti about God and Nietzsche
being dead. Above Nietzsche's quote appears in context.
Was Nietzsche really talking about God? Or was Nietzsche talking about us
and our relationship to God? What do you know about Nietzsche, other than
this brief, scathing lament?
Peace,
Richard
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| 741.5 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 12 1993 11:16 | 9 |
| According to Funk & Wagnall (whose accuracy has been challenged elsewhere),
one of Nietzsche's fundamental contentions was that traditional values
(as represented primarily in Christianity) had lost their power in the
lives of individuals.
There's more, but that enough for now.
Peace,
Richard
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| 741.6 | A pointer out of the blue. | CUPMK::WAJENBERG | | Tue Oct 12 1993 11:40 | 3 |
| See ERIS::Philosophy topic 303 for a little background information.
Earl Wajenberg
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| 741.7 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Tue Oct 12 1993 11:42 | 11 |
| >We've all read the amusing, and now trite, graffiti about God and Nietzsche
>being dead. Above Nietzsche's quote appears in context.
>
>Was Nietzsche really talking about God? Or was Nietzsche talking about us
>and our relationship to God? What do you know about Nietzsche, other than
There is far from enough context to know what Nietzsche is talking
about. I've never read his stuff and have so far resisted commenting
on his frequently reported statement. I intend to continue to do so.:-)
Alfred
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| 741.8 | | GRIM::MESSENGER | Bob Messenger | Tue Oct 12 1993 12:29 | 11 |
| Re: .5 Richard
>According to Funk & Wagnall (whose accuracy has been challenged elsewhere),
>one of Nietzsche's fundamental contentions was that traditional values
>(as represented primarily in Christianity) had lost their power in the
>lives of individuals.
Sounds a little like John Lennon's unfortunate remark that the Beatles
were more popular than Jesus.
-- Bob
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| 741.9 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 12 1993 13:51 | 6 |
| .6 Thanks for the pointer, Earl. And welcome to C-P!
To add ERIS::PHILOSOPHY to your notebook, just press KP7.
Richard
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| 741.10 | Nietzsche deliberately shocked | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 12 1993 14:01 | 8 |
| .8
Yeah, Bob. Except that I don't believe John Lennon deliberately
intended to shock and evidently Nietzsche did, I think there is a strong
parallel.
Peace,
Richard
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| 741.11 | Nietzsche - "God might as well be dead." | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 12 1993 14:44 | 21 |
| 735.31
I never said Nietzsche was some kind of wonderful or God's right hand man.
What I said was that his words were being bandied about out of context,
and therefore, the meaning was being misconstrued and misrepresented.
Nietzsche wasn't talking about an actual corpse when he said "God is dead."
Nor was Nietzsche indicating that humans had the power to destroy God.
However, I believe Nietzsche was saying, rightly or wrongly, and in general,
when he proclaimed that, "God is dead," is that God has been relegated to
such irrelevance, has become so isolated and compartmentalized in modern
society, that God might as well not exist. This, however, is not to say
that Nietzsche favored conditions of earlier times, either.
Nietzsche (1844-1900) was a poet and a classical philologist. Nietzsche
influenced German Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, German-American theologian
Paul Tillich, and French writers Albert Camus and Jean Paul Satre.
Shalom,
Richard
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| 741.12 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crossfire | Wed Sep 21 1994 17:40 | 4 |
| "Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is strong."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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