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| 684.1 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sat May 22 1993 01:37 | 8 |
| C.S. Lewis explains that we are created in God's image just as a sculptor
creates a statue in his image; yet the statue is not man: for it is created,
not begotten.
Yet Jesus Christ is begotten as regards his Godhead, and is thus God, but
is created as regards his humanity, and is thus Man.
/john
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| 684.2 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | We will rise! | Mon May 24 1993 12:14 | 7 |
| And who are children of God? (Not related by blood, of course)
And who are brothers, sisters, and mothers of Christ, not
according to C.S. Lewis, but according to Jesus?
Richard
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| 684.3 | We are created by God, not begotten of Him. Created in His Image. | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon May 24 1993 12:19 | 5 |
| We are, by adoption and by faith in his blood.
But we are still not begotten of the Father before all worlds, as He is.
/john
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| 684.4 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | We will rise! | Mon May 24 1993 12:23 | 4 |
| Personally, I was begotten (through regular channels, so to speak).
Richard
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| 684.5 | | STUDIO::GUTIERREZ | Citizen of the Cosmos | Mon May 24 1993 12:36 | 12 |
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When The One emerged from Its rest,
it differentiated into two,
positive and negative,
from the interplay of the two came the three,
from the three came the seven,
from the seven came the many.
So, in one way or another,
we are all begotten from the One.
Juan
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| 684.6 | perhaps "beget" as we once thought it was but now know it isn't | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63) | Mon May 24 1993 12:48 | 23 |
| re Note 684.3 by COVERT::COVERT:
> But we are still not begotten of the Father before all worlds, as He is.
This is an area in which the use of a common, everyday word,
"begotten" is used in the Bible in a sense that doesn't
really make sense.
Throughout the physical world, there is no "begetting"
without somebody else "conceiving". To "beget" without
"conceiving" cannot happen by definition of the word. It
would be very much like "one hand clapping."
So whatever the Father did before all worlds, if there wasn't
also conception, then it wasn't begetting as we know it.
(Of course, the usual answer is that it was "begetting" as we
DON'T know it -- by the same token, it could also be "riding
a bicycle" but not like we know it!)
Is God playing fast and loose with words?
Bob
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| 684.7 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon May 24 1993 13:04 | 7 |
| God the Holy Spirit, by leading us to this Trinitarian Truth, is making sure
that we understand that God the Son is uncreated with respect to his Godhead
(begotten of the Father before all worlds) but created of the flesh of the
Virgin Mary with respect to his humanity (conceived by the Holy Ghost of the
Virgin Mary).
/john
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| 684.9 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | We will rise! | Mon May 24 1993 13:43 | 10 |
| .8
>and therefore is an improvement
>upon man.
Of course, that wouldn't would take a great deal to achieve.
;-)
Richard
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