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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

682.0. "Redemption" by SDSVAX::SWEENEY (Patrick Sweeney in New York) Thu May 20 1993 23:39

    Redemption is the restoratation of grace and eternal life with God.
    
    It is redemption from, delivery from, atonement for
    sin, suffering, and death
    
    by the suffering, death, and resurection of the sinless one, the
    Messiah, Jesus Christ.
    
    The Old Testament has sacrifices which took place at the Temple.  With
    the destruction of the Temple, the sacrifices stopped and that
    connection with the Old Testament (starting with Abel, and through
    Levi) was broken.  Modern Judaism has the Day of Atonement but no
    sacrifice for atonement.  Christianity holds that Jesus died once and
    for all in perfect atonement and in fulfillment of the prophecy of
    Isiah who wrote: (Is. 53:11)
    
    After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be
    satisified, by his knowledge, my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
    
    So the idea of no notion of redemption in the Old Testament is not a
    cause for laughter, but it is alarming because the direct consequence
    of the rejection of the need for redemption is rejection of a need for
    the life, ministry, suffering, and death of Jesus.  The longer
    explanation is in Romans 5 which I entered in part in some other note.
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682.1wordsWELLER::FANNINFri May 21 1993 01:163
    Ever notice that the word "atonement" also spells "at one ment?"
    
    Ruth
682.2so?LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63)Fri May 21 1993 10:539
re Note 682.1 by WELLER::FANNIN:

>     Ever notice that the word "atonement" also spells "at one ment?"
  
        But "at one ment" doesn't have any meaning in English!

        At least "altogether" can be separated as "al[l] to get her".

        Bob
682.3CSC32::J_CHRISTIEWe will rise!Fri May 21 1993 12:2411
    I once heard a sermon entitled "GODISNOWHERE," which can be seperated
    out to either "God is nowhere" or "God is now here," depending on your
    point of view.
    
    I once mis-read a bumpersticker that said "HUG THERAPIST."  The spacing
    was a little off and it looked like "HUG THE RAPIST."
    
    This is getting more than a bit off the topic, so I'll leave it at this.
    
    Richard
    
682.4BSS::VANFLEETHelpless jelloTue May 25 1993 20:004
    Spaeking of misreading...Saturday I saw a sign which read HUG SALE! 
    (Well it really said HUGE SALE but I liked it better the other way.)
    
    Nanci