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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

681.0. "Kingdom before Death" by RANGER::TBAKER (DOS With Honor) Thu May 20 1993 17:15

    I feel a discussion coming on so rather than take up the Introductions
    topic I'd like to start another one.  So.....
    
>RIPPLE::BRUSO_SA "Horn players have more brass"      19 lines  20-MAY-1993 16:05
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>" I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death 
>before they see the kingdom of God."   NIV
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>And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here 
>will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with 
>power."  NIV
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>Hope this helps.
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>Sandy



    
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681.1CSC32::J_CHRISTIEWe will rise!Fri May 21 1993 14:006
    I am comfortable with the concept of experiencing the "Kingdom of God"
    or "Kingdom of Heaven" before death.  I feel no need for a "carrot strung
    from a stick" afterlife enticement.
    
    Richard
    
681.3I can't do the question justiceCSC32::J_CHRISTIEWe will rise!Fri May 21 1993 17:0110
    >what is the kingdom of god?
    
    Oooo!  That's one of those "What is life?" questions.
    
    'Don't think I can adequately answer that one.  I might recommend
    reading the gospel according to Luke for starters, however.  Many
    clues are provided therein.
    
    Richard
    
681.4BoundlessRANGER::TBAKERDOS With HonorFri May 21 1993 17:3511
        Kingdom of God...  Well, one approach is to think of it as a "Kingdom
    made of God."  Going with that thought, what is this Kingdom about? 
    Well, what is God?  Stepping further out on a limb I submit that God is
    Love.  Sooo....

    The Kingdom of God is Love.  Boundless, pure, blinding, humble,
    glorious, excruciating Love.

    And, ya know?  You can even find it here on Earth now and then ;^)

    Tom
681.5TLE::COLLIS::JACKSONRoll away with a half sashayFri May 21 1993 17:584
In seminary, a teacher made a very convincing argument
that the Kingdom of God is where the King is.

Collis
681.6CSC32::J_CHRISTIEWe will rise!Fri May 21 1993 18:074
    .5 Granted.
    
    Richard
    
681.7RANGER::TBAKERDOS With HonorFri May 21 1993 18:268
    re: .5
    
    So where is the King?  Where is Love?  Where God is.
    
    "Whenever two or more of you is gathered in His name, there is Love"
    
    So, why all this "Love" business, anyway?  There's a point here,
    somewhere.
681.8VERGA::STANLEYTue Jun 01 1993 11:2611
    Well... if it does refer to immortality... then perhaps the Taoist 
    concept of death being part of the double sided coin of existence is
    true... they think the soul cycles in and out of the material world
    and that death is just a stage of existence like puberty is a stage of
    life.
    
    Am I not supposed to be talking about that here?
    
    Sorry if I offended anyone.
    
    mary
681.9JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRATue Jun 01 1993 11:435
    RE: .8
    
    Sounds interesting....When does the cycle stop?
    
    Marc H.
681.10VERGA::STANLEYTue Jun 01 1993 12:185
    It doesn't... that's where the immortal part comes in.. :-) 
    
    It's like the trees.. blooming in summer and seeming to die in winter..
    only to bloom again when spring comes... in a never ending cycle... a
    continuous pattern.
681.11waltz with me?THOLIN::TBAKERDOS with Honor!Tue Jun 01 1993 14:0313
   RE: .9
>    Sounds interesting....When does the cycle stop?

   When you get off.  :-)

   I'm sorry, Mary, but I disagree.  I understand that when the
   commandments, Love God and Love your Neighbor, are finally
   fulfilled there is no longer a need to be reborn.  Rebirth,
   separation, doesn't make sense when there are no longer two.

   But in the mean time, what a dance!

   Tom
681.12VERGA::STANLEYTue Jun 01 1993 14:087
    I understand where you're coming from, Tom.... but... well.... it seems
    to me that this is the nature of reality... least... that's how it
    seems to me... 
    
    I sometimes think that the journey is all there is... that there is no
    destination... no stopping point...  I mean... well... that's what I 
    mean, I guess.... (yikes... what am I doing here) 
681.13Love HappensTHOLIN::TBAKERDOS with Honor!Tue Jun 01 1993 15:4822
>    I sometimes think that the journey is all there is... that there is no
>    destination... no stopping point...  I mean... well... that's what I 
>    mean, I guess.... 

    Exactly.  Love of those around you, Love of the Almighty has no
    destination... no stopping point.  If you approach love as a means
    to an end then it doesn't work.  The Love just is.  If you concentrate
    on the destination Love can't happen because Love is Now.  God is Now.

    When the Love overwhelms you, when it is bigger than you, when 
    Love swallows you up and refuses to let go, you are InLove, InGod.
    The concept of separation is no longer necessary.  It just happens.

    It just *looks* like there's a destination, a stopping point.  I
    guess our differences might just be semantics.  If you're InLove,
    InGod, how can there be an end?

>    (yikes... what am I doing here) 

    What's anybody doing here?  ;^)

    Tom