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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

661.0. "CESO Christians" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Declare Peace!) Fri Apr 30 1993 16:31

Anybody have any thoughts regarding CESO Christians?

These are folks who you seem to only see at Christmas, Easter or
Special Occasions (Weddings, etc.).         ^          ^
^       ^

Richard

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661.1JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRAFri Apr 30 1993 16:405
    I used to look upon them with some contempt. Now that I'm a Deacon
    at my church, I have been trying to make them welcome when they
    come to church. I view them as "potential material".
    
    Marc H.
661.2TLE::COLLIS::JACKSONRoll away with a half sashayFri Apr 30 1993 17:057
I'm happy that some are open enough to the gospel to show
up sometimes.  I'd rather have them come sometime then not
at all.  Very few people commit their lives to Christ without
meaningful contact from someone who has.  Church is a great
place to be challenged as well as loved.

Collis
661.3HURON::MYERSFri Apr 30 1993 17:3326
    Might the infrequent attendance of some (many) Christians be more a
    reflection on their attitudes toward that particular church than their
    attitudes toward God?  Is it that the service isn't worth the effort or
    that God isn't worth the effort?  Should regular church members
    *complain* about not being able to find a seat, or thank God that
    their church is so full that they can't even find a seat?

    Ok, I admit that this hits a bit of a nerve.  I'm pretty much a CESO +
    WRG (When Guilt Ridden).  I really think I'd go more regularly if I
    found a church community that I felt comfortable with.  Coming from a
    Roman Catholic upbringing, I don't find the Mass that inspiring or
    fulfilling.  (With the exception of the Homily it's sort of like
    reciting the multiplication tables week after week.)  And I'm somewhat
    timid to experiment with other churches.  (I can just see my mother
    gasping for air, making the sign of the cross, and clutching here
    Rosary if I told here that I was attending a (gasp!) Protestant
    church.)  Maybe I'll check out Mark's church... if he's deacon it can't
    be THAT bad :^)


    There. I did my bit of sharing... maybe is sheds some light on what's
    going through the mind of a CESO.

    	Eric


661.4CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Fri Apr 30 1993 18:554
    Oops!  Sorry, Eric.  This wasn't intended to sting.
    
    Richard
    
661.5HURON::MYERSFri Apr 30 1993 22:589
    Rest assured, Richard, if I feel any sting it is inflicted by my own
    conscience and not your note.  I just wanted to share my insights. 
    When I was a regular attending parishioner I heard the complaints from
    the "faithful" with regard to the CESO's.  Now, from the other side,
    more or less, I have a different perspective.  No doubt there are those
    CESO's that attend Mass or services at these times for other reasons,
    but I can only explain mine.

    Eric
661.6JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRAMon May 03 1993 09:529
    RE: .3
    
    Eric,
     I too have come from a Roman Catholic background. You and any others
    are always welcome to attend my church. If interested....send mail
    or call.
    
    Marc H.
    237-6751
661.7CVG::THOMPSONRadical CentralistMon May 03 1993 10:0014
    Also known as Holly-Lilly Goers I believe.

    I have a real problem with making judgments about people based on
    when and how often they attend church. It all stems from people giving
    me a hard time for attending church only once or twice a week when I
    was in college I guess.

    Using an occasional visit to church to label someone (including ones
    self) a Christian is a stretch. So is labeling someone a "bad
    Christian" based on their attending church only on occasion. What is
    important is a relationship with Jesus and that can not be judged
    externally. Especially by such superficial things as church attendance.

    			Alfred
661.8CSLALL::HENDERSONWhen will I ever learn?Mon May 03 1993 10:1213

 Or, as my former mother in law used to refer to her husband as a member of 
 the "hatched, matched and dispatched" club..attending church for christenings,
 weddings, and funerals.







Jim
661.9CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Mon May 03 1993 20:4213
	CESO Christians don't bother me in the least.

	I've attended many different kinds of worship, from high church 
formality to evangelical spontaneity, from the unnerving stillness of
unprogrammed Quaker Meetings to the music-drenched worship characteristic
of many Pentecostal churches.  And guess what?!  Not one of them is wrong
or bad.  An not one of them is for everyone.

	If folks only feel moved to attend worship on an occasional basis,
that to me is better than nothing.

Peace,
Richard