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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

648.0. "Does God meddle in our earthly lives?" by HURON::MYERS () Tue Apr 20 1993 15:36

    When I picked on my sister as a child my mother would say, "God will
    punish you for that".  Then, inevitably, I'd bump my head on the table,
    or some such thing, and she'd point out the divine hand of justice had
    dealt its blow...

    Does God punish us in an earthly sense for our transgressions?
    
    		Eric
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648.1MORO::BEELER_JEWe'll always have ParisTue Apr 20 1993 16:064
    I don't know .. but can say with authority that if He is .. He is doin'
    one hell of a fine job.
    
    Bubba
648.2JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRATue Apr 20 1993 16:1310
    Very interesting question. THe Old Testament seemed to be full of
    the idea that if something bad happened to you, then there was a
    reason.
    
    I remember I line of a prayer that asked help from God, with the part
    about "do not give us what we truely deserve".
    
    Anyone remember the rest of the line?
    
    Marc H.
648.3CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Tue Apr 20 1993 18:287
    Well, Eric, the Good Book says you'll reap what you sow.  But I'm not
    certain it works in precisely the way your mother pointed out.  You
    might have bumped your head on the table anyway.
    
    ;-)
    Richard
    
648.4afflictionJUPITR::MNELSONTue Apr 20 1993 19:2636
    God is always loving and always has our best interest at heart in an
    eternal sense. That is, whatever He allows to occur may always be
    made profitable for our salvation, aside from our choice to sin. The
    trials of life that God allows are so that we may be refined in our
    faith; this brings glory to God.
    
    If we hold on to sinful activities and all the milder ways the Lord may
    give us in grace to convert are rejected, He may need to shake us up
    so that we face the reality of our sin, our need for Him in our lives,
    and His wisdom in the Way of life that he has given us.
    
    Affliction in a person's life does not necessarily mean the person has
    sinned. It is not a strict Cause-Effect reaction. Job is an example. Also,
    Jesus was once asked why a man was blind, was it because he sinned or 
    because of the sins of the parents? Jesus said it was neither, but it was 
    so that God could manifest His mercy and be glorified. 
    
    If we face each affliction with trust in Jesus and God's provisions
    for us then He gives us peace, cares for us, and we strengthen in
    faith. Over time, we have testimony to God's goodness and provision
    and steadfastness which is a genuine testimony of love which does
    indeed give glory to God.
    
    The hardhearted who persist in sin, however, are left to their sins and
    the misery it causes. Certainly this is also a loving act of God meant
    to help the sinner understand their need for repentance. Jesus says
    what is the profit if we gain the whole world but lose our soul? Also,
    if our hand offends (sins) then it's better to cut it off than to
    persist in sin. This is all to say that our eternal state after this
    life is of supreme importance, far beyond what trials we may endure
    in this life.
    
    Peace,
    
    Mary