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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
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Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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647.0. "Death, A Christian Perspective" by MR4DEC::RFRANCEY (dtn 297-5264 mro4-3/g15) Sat Apr 17 1993 16:00

    Dot has asked me to preach on May 9th which is family Sunday
    and Mother's Day to boot.  The Scripture I'm using is 
    
    	Acts 7:55-60
    	Psalm 31:1-8,15-16
    	1st Peter 2:2-10
    	John 14:1-14
    
    I wish to preach a sermon on death especially a Christian perspective
    differentiating what death means to us compared to other religions.
    I wish to bring forth to the children that death is but a passage
    to the promise of a new life.  
    
    The sermon will be videotaped as will the complete service and I wish
    to use the tape to send to churches where Dot and I wish to candidate.
    I will publish the sermon here when it is nearing completion.
    
    Any ideas you offer will be most appreciated.
    
    	Shalom!
    
    	Ron
    
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647.1heaven and kidsWELLER::FANNINChocolate is blissSun Apr 18 1993 22:3628
    Hi Ron,

    When I was a child, I was taught by my church and family that death for
    a Christian was accompanied by a personal transformation, that we'd
    suddenly be like Jesus.  I was told that we'd glorify God and live in
    heaven praising God forever.

    It scared the socks off me.

    And as an adult, I realized why this was so frightening.  A sudden
    transformation into someone else sounds amazingly like death.  Suddenly
    I would no longer be Ruth, someone who likes jazz, and big slices of
    apple pie.  I would be transformed into a clone of Jesus.

    And heaven, well, the adults made heaven sound dreadful.  Really,
    sitting around praising God all day sounds to a child like going to
    school forever.

    Children love life.  They love to experience the world, touch the water
    in the pond, catch frogs, squeal with delight.  They like pizza. 
    Pearly gates and golden streets don't do much for them.  

    Let them know that heaven is life.  Let them know that they'll still be
    *themselves* that their personality is important, that *they* are
    important.  Let them know that, since they are going to live forever,
    they can connect with heaven here and now.

    Ruth
647.2beautiful, RuthMAYES::FRETTSwe're the Capstone generationMon Apr 19 1993 11:155
    RE: .1 Ruth
    
    That sounds good even for us *big* kids! :^)
    
    Carole
647.3CVG::THOMPSONRadical CentralistMon Apr 19 1993 11:3815
>    When I was a child, I was taught by my church and family that death for
>    a Christian was accompanied by a personal transformation, that we'd
>    suddenly be like Jesus.  I was told that we'd glorify God and live in
>    heaven praising God forever.
>
>    It scared the socks off me.

    I was taught the same thing. It gave me the only piece of mind that
    allowed me to make it through adolescence. Of course I had watched my 
    mother die a painful death over about 4 years. The thought of her 
    transformed into a body without pain was a great joy to me. That she
    was with Jesus and that one day I would as well was a source of hope
    and anticipation.

    			Alfred
647.4hmmm, a possible sermon titleMR4DEC::RFRANCEYdtn 297-5264 mro4-3/g15Mon Apr 19 1993 14:036
    An interestinf sermon title: "Pearly gates and golden streets".
    
    	Regards,
    
    	Ron
    
647.5CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Mon Apr 19 1993 14:315
    Ron, consider this title:
    
    Who would feel at home with pearly gates and golden streets?
    
    Richard
647.6DEMING::VALENZAStrawberry notes forever.Tue Apr 20 1993 11:3919
    >I wish to bring forth to the children that death is but a passage
    >to the promise of a new life.  

    When I was 7 years old, while peddling hard on my bicycle one evening,
    I saw an oncoming car, and decided to slow down.  Pressing on the
    brakes, I skidded on some gravel, fell off the seat onto the bar, and
    lost control of the handlebars.  The handlebars swerved to the left,
    and I found myself in front of the oncoming car.  I found myself
    praying during those intervening seconds before the driver screeched on
    his brakes and stopped the car just as it hit my bike.  I fell onto the
    pavement and broke my wrist.

    I was very shaken up, and that evening at the hospital, as I waited for
    X-rays, I told my mother that I was worried that I would go to hell
    when I died.  I think I was crying at the time.  She reassured me that
    I wouldn't, but she didn't really give me a reason; she simply
    told me that I had nothing to worry about.  

    -- Mike
647.7CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Tue Apr 20 1993 19:095
The Salvation Army has an interesting euphemism for death.  They call it
"being promoted to glory."

Richard

647.8"Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother"MR4DEC::RFRANCEYdtn 297-5264 mro4-3/g15Tue May 11 1993 19:21426
"Honor your Father and your Mother"
I Peter 2:2-10; John 14:1-14
Ronald W. Francey
May 9, 1993

A few weeks ago I remember Dot's getting up here before you 
and giving thanks for all the great sounds that come out of 
our choir - especially because with all those sounds behind 
her, you surely wouldn't be getting a sample of her singing!  
In a similar vein, one thing I'm not, is an artist.  Why, I 
remember quite well that way back when I was in sixth grade, 
and that was many years ago, the time when I got straight 
"A's" for the first - and only time - except for the "F" in 
penmanship.

Nevertheless, it is somewhat surprising to me - yet true - how 
we are able to learn a real lot from letting our senses kind 
of ferment over some things that touch us in almost 
inexplicable ways.  I remember a time when I was a young boy, 
actually it was a few times, when I was about eight to maybe 
twelve years old.  My mother had died and I had moved in to 
live with an aunt and uncle in Lexington.  Their daughter was 
about seven years older than I and was a student at Forsyth 
Dental School in Boston.  Well, I remember taking the bus by 
myself into Boston and working my way, with fear in my heart, 
toward those free dental exams that the students gave.

Although at the time I am sure that the only thing that was on 
my mind was the pain and suffering I was going to face when 
these fine students of medicine dug away with those sharp 
pointed objects in my gums, that really isn't what became one 
of the finest memories I still cherish.

After the dental exam, I had a few hours to waste before my 
sister would be ready to go back home with me so I, this young 
non-artistic boy, strolled on into the Museam of Fine Arts.  
As I walked the halls in the museum, I remember some paintings 
that just absolutely stopped me in my tracks; they were of 
some religious paintings that at first seemed so simple, but 
as I drew closer I became a little more connected, a little 
more knowledgeable, a little more understanding, a little more 
caring.  It was as if a river of words came flowing out of 
those pictures and embedded themselves in my heart.  I may not 
be an artist but I came away from that museum slightly 
different than the person I was when passing through that 
entrance door into the museum.

Perhaps there are some simple things, events in your lives 
that happened, that you would never have predicted would have 
had such a profound effect on your lives as these events 
actually did or that would present the vehicle into a new and 
fresh understanding of something that may have escaped you 
until this moment.

I don't make many trips into the Museum of Fine Arts these 
days but I have learned another way to come to an increased 
and varied understanding of some of those things that make up 
the stuff of life, the fabric of our being.  I like to take a 
short verse of scripture, sometimes only a phrase, and go off 
and plunk myself in a recliner or go off to some other quiet 
place and absorb that phrase into the essence of myself.

One of those special biblical phrases is part of our reading 
in John this morning.  It is a verse which many of us fall 
back to as it is as an anchor holding us steady and sure even 
through the worst raging seas of life.  "In my Father's house 
- or mansion - there are many rooms"  is the verse which I 
will explore today.

"In my Father's mansion are many rooms" is one of those rich 
passages so often used with someone approaching death or for 
the family or friends during a funeral or memorial service of 
one who died.  The mansion of many rooms signifies a place 
prepared for those that we love; the phrase is a vision of 
hope; it carries forward our desire for our loved ones to be 
accepted into that eternal world which has no end; into a 
place fitting and acceptable to us and to God, into a place 
where suffering and pain is no more.

But don't we also learn that we are to work toward that 
kingdom that is on earth "as it is in heaven"?  Perhaps that 
prepared room, where our hopes for the loved person are, is 
right here.  Perhaps that prepared room symbolizes a person 
who has become the fullest person that he or she can become.  
Perhaps a kingdom on earth as it is in heaven embodies God's 
wish for our parents as they live their senior years on earth.  
Perhaps it is God's wish that we honor our fathers and 
mothers.  One of the oldest commandments we have, tracing back 
to the time of Moses, is to honor our fathers and mothers.  

I wish to focus on the problems we have in todays world 
regarding the challenges to honor that law.  Although some of 
us are fortunate to have parents age in ways that require 
little of others, little of us, there does exist a series of 
questions which many of us face as our parents grow older, 
grow in some cases to new heights of incompetence, grow to 
levels of immanageability, test our adherence to our stated 
claims, to our feelings of our own rootedness in Christianity.  
As we face the challenges of dealing with our aging parents 
are we able to ground our actions, our feelings, our thoughts 
according to God's plan, to God's love?  What are God's wishes 
for us and how do we know it?

Christians affirm God's goodness shown through the act of 
creation and we are called to be shepherds of that created 
order.  We know we are to preserve life so that it can be 
lived to its fullest.  Our parents are to be given 
opportunities to live out their lives in the way that gives 
them the possibility to be the fullest human beings that God 
meant them to be.

So as we stick our heads up out of the swamp of life that we 
live in and see our parents living through the process of 
aging, we are called by God to be supporters  of that divine 
plan for them.  As we seek to be partners with our parents in 
a democratic family we must be careful.  For many years there 
have been passionate debates over the question whether 
democracy, despite the value of the individual that it has 
always espoused, may tend to operate against individual 
autonomy, pushing people toward conformity and herdlike 
existence.

How are we to know about the way to honor our mother and 
father as some of them become incompetent to make decisions 
for themselves?  By whose authority are we to be led as we 
walk through this facet of life?  How do we know what is good, 
right and fitting as we deal with our aging parents?  How 
ought it to work that we lift up our parents and help them, 
support them, through the aging process?  Can this way of 
life, of commitment, be rightly ordered?  To what end do we 
seek?  How does it work and what are we to do?  What is the 
role of the church and why should she get involved?  Where is 
this mansion of so many rooms?

In earlier periods people often died at an early age.  
Honoring thy father and mother becomes more difficult when 
they live to such an old age - and when they are no longer a 
rare species.  

Modernity surfaces in other ways yielding forms of disrespect, 
feelings of contempt, feelings of helplessness, toward the 
elderly.  Dr. David A. Tomb writes: "When helping your parents 
through their final years, above all else you must come to 
terms with your feelings about both of them.  Do you love 
them?  Do you like them?  Are they your friends?  Are you 
ashamed of them?  Are you indifferent?  Do you despise them?  
... You must recognize and accept negative as well as positive 
emotions and try to identify their origins."

This country was formed by people who left their families 
behind in another continent during the colonial period, who 
strove for freedom in a new world, whose struggle for 
independence formed the very character of the younger 
generation of people today.  Is it any wonder that we are as 
we are having been so encouraged to succeed in life?

We are a culture oriented toward the current generation but 
times are changing.  The average age of our culture is 
creeping upward slowly but steadily.  Today there are enough 
older people living that they are a threat to the younger and 
ruling generation.  The older generation is beginning to pull 
political clout and to be an active voice in society.  We have 
more reasons to consider the well-being of our elder citizens 
for they remind us of our own imminent destiny.  We are forced 
to take notice.

We fear getting old because we fear the "humiliation of 
dependence".  Similarly, many - but not all - of our older 
fathers and mothers do not want to be a burden.  Although it 
may be a difficult subject for people to address, God frowns 
on neglect of family duties.

"If anyone does not provide for his relatives, 
and especially for his own family, he has 
disowned the faith and is worse than an 
unbeliever"(1 Tim. 5:8).  

How does God and God's purposes for us enter into our 
determination of what is good, right and fitting?

The family is a bonded and bonding unit.  In most cases, our 
parents loved us before we were born.  They nurtured us 
through our early years, kept us in tow during our adolescent 
years and became friends to us as we matured into adults.  
Although not every family consists of harmonious relatives and 
although not every family looks favorably on the family unit 
we are nevertheless bonded to the family in inescapable ways.  
What should the goal be of visiting elderly parents on a 
regular basis?  Perhaps the question should be the larger one: 
what is the end goal for our aging parents?  

An answer is that our parents should become all that God 
intended them to be.  They should be full of life, of love, of 
beholders of promises made to them by their God.  They should 
be recipients of God's love, as if we could ever stop that, 
and should carry forth that love to others as they walk along 
the way toward their final destination, to the room in God's 
mansion.

Visits to our aging parents should be out of love.  Visits to 
our parents enable them to remember the past, to plan for the 
future, to realize the hope that stays ever before them.

The means of visiting parents differs from family to family.  
When family is separated by the width of the continent in 
miles, or in emotion, ways must be found to bring the family 
together - especially spiritually.

Our church has an important linking role in bringing the 
family together.  Letters can be sent to the church and read 
during worship service regarding events in family life.  The 
pastor or members of the church can visit the elderly.  The 
pastor can help enrich family moments, can help elders savor 
the love.  The church can form groups for the elderly and plan 
special events around memories and memory sharing.

The church can use many means to work toward achieving the end 
goal for the elders.  Through prayer, reflection, spiritual 
contact with God, through revelation, scripture and reason, 
through God's grace.

The church, this church can be an active voice for our aging 
fathers and mothers in many segments of our society.  The 
media is at once powerful and influential to most of the 
population for it captures moments in the hearts of the 
audience.  People let down their defenses somewhat and are 
pursued through careful presentation of the media's points of 
contention.  The media can make a difference in the lives of 
those whom they touch.  The media influences you and me but 
also influences presidents, senators, representatives, people 
who work in medicine, in education, in economics.  The media 
can also reinforce things that we are doing well.  The church 
can choose to be linked to the media, to be a voice in and of 
the media.  Local churches can prepare and present programs 
that focus on the well-being, the cares and concerns of our 
parents.  

The legal system needs to recognize and to protect the law 
honoring our fathers and mothers and it needs firmness of soul 
as it wrestles with what is often discouraging facts about 
ill-treated elderly parents.  The legal system must act to 
enforce ethical situations in cases where others have turned 
away from what is known to be good, right and fitting, when 
others have turned toward profiteering, self-aggrandizement.  
The legal system must prosecute those who steal the remaining 
monies from our aging parents through unethical schemes of 
persuasion, playing on the weakness of their age and 
feebleness of mind and body.  

The church can play an important part of the judicial process 
by keeping informed of the goings on within the church family.  
When aging members are not being supported, not being held in 
love by their family members, the church can speak to the 
consciences of those who are slipping in the mud of life.  It 
is not sufficient for the church to be a passive witness to 
injustices going on within families.  The church needs to be 
an advocate for the well-being of the aging family member.

The church should also represent the aging parents when 
"younger" sons and daughters are not available to defend the 
parents' rights in court.  In such instances, the church must 
step forward to protect the aging and to work within the 
judicial system.

How is the church to respond to the different cultures 
existing in our midst?  Where is God and what do we know to be 
God's desire for those of a particular culture?  From 
scripture we know that "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave 
nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ 
Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).  The church can encourage people of a 
culture to study its roots, to see where God has been present 
from the very beginning until now.    

Scripture is full of examples of families going through 
extremely difficult times.  Stories from Scripture can teach 
cultures about family strife, about family love from both 
within and outside of the family culture.  

Education of other cultures helps us to be more permissive and 
understanding of others.  Removing fears about other cultures 
helps honor our aging parents because it allows them to be 
more accepted by others.  This tends to reduce the tendency 
toward isolation of our parents from those of the "in" 
culture.

The church can teach us to be tolerant of older fathers and 
mothers from other cultures.  In many countries the elders are 
revered for their wisdom gleaned from their many years.  They 
are sought out as teachers of life by their children.  Their 
word stands.  The church can teach its youth about God's 
loving all people.  

Our political system is charged with maintaining freedom, 
fairness for all.  It achieves its goal by interrelating with 
the judicial system, with education, with family rights, with 
the establishment of and protection of a free press, of free 
speech and with the economic system.

How can politics relate to the task of honoring our fathers 
and mothers?  It can establish low-cost homes for the elderly.  
It can work toward the provision for ample social security 
benefits.  It can provide tax incentives for businesses to 
enter into home healthcare services.  It can change the tax 
structure to be less harsh on the assets of the elderly.  It 
can vote to reduce needless expenditures in underground 
nuclear testing and redirect those funds toward improving 
general care for our fathers and mothers.

The church is perhaps the best heterogeneous group which is 
representative of the composition of all people in the United 
States.  As such, it,must voice what it knows to be good, 
right and fitting regarding the rights of its aging fathers 
and mothers.  It can influence the outcome of the political 
machinery and thus the church has the potential to be an 
instrument for the establishment of a concerned government.  
Often politicians are church-goers who need to know how to be 
Christians and politicians at the same time.

The education sector of society can teach our elders to deal 
more effectively with the aging process and can teach our 
elders how to plan for their future, how to grow to be fuller 
people, how to handle the stress associated with aging.  The 
educational system can also teach the younger generation about 
their aging parents, about the interrelationship between their 
parents and themselves, about systems that complement each 
other regarding aging.  The educational sector is closely 
linked to the field of medicine where new studies reveal ways 
of extending life, of applying healing technologies to our 
elders.  The medical field poses new wonders but also 
introduces new ethical dilemmas when it extends life to brain 
dead patients, when it breathes life into people who otherwise 
are vegetables.

The church needs to be a watchdog to see that medical ethics 
are employed regarding care for the aging.  Holistic health 
should be the primary goal of those involved in medicine.  
Holistic medicine is concerned with the well-being of the 
total individual, with the extended family and with the larger 
community.  If excessive medication prevents our fathers and 
mothers from their desire to prepare themselves for a rite of 
passage, the church needs to work with the medical field to 
educate them of the right of free will in determining the 
course leading to one's own death.  

The medical institution's goal may be to continue the life of 
the patient but its methods must include the will of the 
patient, the will of the family.  Where the medical field 
exerts excessive power over the will of the patient, the 
church needs to activate the other sectors of society charged 
with politics, law and the media.

Technology honors our fathers and mothers thru increasing our 
knowledge base thus providing us with new and improved 
resources to make better and more informed decisions.  
Technology aids us in building low-cost efficient housing for 
the elder generation.  Technology also provides us with ways 
to completely destroy our enemies and ourselves.  Technology 
gives us the power for unprecedented growth in many dimensions 
but if unchecked by ethical, moral bodies decay and chaos will 
quickly become dominant.

The church can become the devils advocate by forming various 
groups of concern that act as watch dogs, by inviting leaders 
of technology into ecumenical church sponsored conferences 
dealing with Christian social ethics and technological 
improvements. 

The economic sector intends to understand why the economy 
functions as it does so that it can maintain a healthy 
economy.  It needs to ask itself why poverty won.  The elder 
generation represents the keenest minds that exist in the 
world today.  Programs should be established so that elders 
are used as consultants to the world economic picture.  For 
elders to be such consultants, they need to be protected from 
an imbalance of wealth.  Their buying power must not be 
allowed to be diminished such that they are unable to live in 
society.

The church may not have all the answers for honoring our 
father and mother but it does have love that can be freely 
given as a water fountain waters those who come to it for 
nourishment.  The church is the central source of the love 
that knows no end.  It can be the enabler to sons and 
daughters of aging parents as well as to the parents 
themselves.  As the older generation increases in number, so 
too must the church increase in its commitment to honor our 
father and mother.  

Older people need to see themselves in light of a positive 
concept of aging.  Our aging parents can be encouraged to 
participate fully in all sectors of society.  The church can 
provide a way for a new rhythm in life for the aging where our 
fathers and mothers provide service to the church, to the 
wider community, at a reduced rate.  Our aging parents help to 
make the past usable in the present.	The church can provide 
adventures in learning for our parents.  We, as church family, 
can support a system which encourages participation by our 
parents in all sectors of society.  We can encourage our aging 
parents to develop leadership roles through friendly visiting, 
through telephone checking of their friends, through escort 
service and transporting other people, through outreach of 
discovering other adults in need.  Older adults can become 
foster grandparents, can train youngsters for leadership 
positions, can counsel peers.	

As our parents turn toward elderhood, they may taste of losses 
that are real and experience wounds to their self-image that 
are deep, yet they need to be liberated from those destructive 
stereotypes of aging so that they have a room for a future, 
for growth and for hope. There is life left in old age and we 
as children of aging parents are called to honor our fathers 
and mothers by helping them to become fuller children of God.  
"We delight to see the dawning of each day and the surprises 
it can bring." God has so commanded, how are we to do 
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647.9CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Tue May 11 1993 19:584
    Thanks, Ron, for sharing your sermon with us!
    
    Richard