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| 532.1 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Oct 09 1992 17:35 | 9 |
| Note that Roman Catholic married clergy do exist.
Outside the United States, Eastern Rite Roman Catholic priests are permitted
to marry before they enter the priesthood.
Inside the United States, married Episcopal priests who convert to Roman
Catholicism are permitted to be re-ordained even if they are married.
/john
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| 532.2 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Set phazers on stun | Sat Oct 10 1992 19:34 | 5 |
| I have no preference.
Peace,
Richard
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| 532.3 | | JUPITR::HILDEBRANT | I'm the NRA | Mon Oct 12 1992 09:14 | 6 |
| Only by being married, can the ministers understand the problems that
children, and living with another person bring to you. I strongly
support having the ministers/priests/etc. married and having families.
Marc H.
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| 532.4 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Mon Oct 12 1992 11:09 | 16 |
| 1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband
of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to
hospitality, apt to teach;"
It goes on for a couple more verses but the second thing on
the list is what made me think of this topic. Assuming one
is willing to write it off, can one as easily write off the
rest? This verse has always been a problem for me in accepting
celebate priests, especially bishops. I've heard people say
that what it means is that if the bishop is married he can
have no more then one wife. But that appears to be reading a
bit more into it then is there.
Alfred
PS: Verse 12 says much the same about deacons.
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| 532.5 | | JUPITR::HILDEBRANT | I'm the NRA | Mon Oct 12 1992 11:15 | 7 |
| RE: .4
I would like to here the arguements for a celibate clergy. The only
one that I have heard is that by being single, the person's time
is more "focused" toward his/her "job";i.e. less distractions.
Marc H.
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| 532.6 | natch, some would say NOT anyway | MPGS::PANDREWS | Rak el habib | Mon Oct 12 1992 13:12 | 7 |
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marc,
i would hazard that any gay person would be required to be celibate
if they were to receive a calling to the priesthood.
peter
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| 532.7 | Celibacy and the Roman Catholic Church | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | You are what you retrieve | Tue May 25 1993 13:28 | 24 |
| re: 679.12
Bishops must first be priests. Candidates for the Roman Catholic
priesthood must be unmarried. In the extraordinary case of married
Anglican priests who are received into the Catholic Church, they may
receive Holy Orders with the dispensation of the Church.
Celibacy was introduced into Christianity in some areas in the 4th C.,
and became general requirement in the West in the 11th C.
This is not a matter of an understanding of the theology of the
priesthood, but what the Church believes to be the best way of
structuring itself for its mission on Earth.
There are some Catholics who are praying and discussing with the
bishops that the number of vocations among unmarried men increase, and
that married men become eligible for priesthood.
In the Catholic Church, married men may become permanent deacons. They
are ordinary ministers of the sacrament of Baptism and serve as the
official witness of the Church at the sacrament of Matrimony and assist
and preach at Mass, They cannot celebrate Mass or perform other
sacramental functions. In parishes without priests they serve as
parish administrators.
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| 532.8 | | JUPITR::HILDEBRANT | I'm the NRA | Tue May 25 1993 14:16 | 6 |
| RE: .7
Nice answer. Don't agree with it, but, I can understand it.
Thanks...
Marc H.
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| 532.9 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue May 25 1993 15:02 | 11 |
| In all other ritual Churches of the Roman Catholic Church (Maronite, Coptic,
Byzantine, Armenian, etc.) other than the Latin (Western) Church, married men
may become priests. However, this is only permitted in their historic
geographic areas, not, for example, in the United States.
In addition, married Anglican priests and Lutheran ministers may, on a case
by case basis, be ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood in the Latin ritual
Church. There are over 100 so far in the United States, and there may be
another 1000 or more in England within the next couple of years.
/john
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| 532.10 | | TALLIS::SCHULER | | Wed May 26 1993 12:01 | 14 |
| Thanks for the replies. I do believe I understand the reasons
the rule exists. And I also understand that there are exceptions
(as in the case of married Anglican priests being ordained
as Roman Catholic priests). I do appreciate the additional
details provided.
My question, however, was how the church reconciles this rule
with what appears to be very clear Scripture indicating that Bishops
(and by implication, priests) ought to be married.
How is it that the Church can decide on a structure to carry out its
mission that conflicts with what has been revealed in the Bible?
/Greg
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| 532.11 | (sorry, I'm in a bad mood today) | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63) | Wed May 26 1993 12:37 | 16 |
| re Note 532.10 by TALLIS::SCHULER:
> How is it that the Church can decide on a structure to carry out its
> mission that conflicts with what has been revealed in the Bible?
The usual explanation for something like this goes like "It
was the Holy Spirit and not the Church that decided upon this
rule."
Another generic explanation is that "There is no conflict,
there can be no conflict, the correct interpretation of these
is one in which there is no conflict."
I am sure that there are more elaborate explanations.
Bob
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