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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

487.0. "A Question of Opulence" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Peace) Fri Jul 03 1992 16:16

A question of opulence (which springboards from 483.9 and 483.10).

	I've wrestled with the extravagance that's poured into some
church buildings and other faith-based institutions.

	On the one hand, I truly appreciate the glorification of our
God through such exquisite monuments as some of the ancient cathedrals
of Europe.  Michaelangelo's ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, or the Pieta,
or David - these are all intense expressions of faith.  These came with
no small price tag.

	On the other hand, Jesus was not born, nor did he live, under
opulent and comfortable conditions.  Neither were most of Jesus' messages
delivered from lavish architectural structures, but rather from hillsides,
lakeshores, and the like.  Perhaps, like in so many other ways, Jesus had
a different idea of what truly constitutes glory.

	Yes, Jesus did accept gifts of love, some of which could be
considered extravagant.  Jesus also said:

	"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father is pleased to
give you the Kingdom.  Sell all your belongings and give the money
to the poor. Provide for yourselves purses that don't wear out, and
save your riches in heaven, where they will never decrease, because
no thief can get to them, and no moth can destroy them.  For your
heart will always be where your riches are."  Luke 12:32-34 (TEV)

Peace,
Richard

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487.1SDSVAX::SWEENEYGotham City's Software ConsultantFri Jul 03 1992 17:191
    What was the question?
487.2COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Jul 03 1992 17:552
He probably wants to know if a parish should sell off a few gold
chalices to be able to feed 150 instead of just 125 homeless people.
487.3A matter to be examinedCSC32::J_CHRISTIEPeaceFri Jul 03 1992 18:066
From the New Miriam-Webster Pocket Dictionary:

	question....2 : a subject for discussion or debate;

May the Lord be with you,
Richard
487.4Precious memories ...MORO::BEELER_JERoss Perot for PresidentSat Jul 04 1992 01:5139
    Well ... I'm not sure what the question is but I can sure comment on
    the "opulence" of some houses of worship.

    When I was a kid I remember well the white wood frame churches out in
    the country.  No air conditioning, an out of tune organ or piano, no
    microphone, perpetually in need of paint, park_where_you_can, and the
    little cemetery out back ...

    Those are the memories of my childhood and the "church" that I really
    liked.

    Then, when we started going to the "city" churches I felt VERY out of
    place with the mega-dollar pipe organs ... TV cameras ... sound systems
    that would make Elvis envious ... etc ....

    Sure, some of this is necessary as churches grow ... but ... there's a
    side of me that always wondered just why so bloomin' much money is
    spent on things that *I* always thought unnecessary or ... extravagant.
    Not too dissimilar from some government spending today?

    Every time I turned around they were asking for money ... I wanted to
    say "Do you really need the jillion dollar sound system that you just
    bought?" .. but ... obviously didn't ... daddy would have slapped me
    'side the head.

    There's a "relationship" between this opulence that the base note
    alludes to and my current pseudo-desire to go to church.  I'm not
    looking forward to the large congregations, extravagant buildings, etc
    ... hey .. perhaps I'd best venture out into the country and see if I
    can locate the white frame building ... perpetually in need of paint
    ... an out of tune piano ... ?

    Bubba

    [Even after we started going to the city churches ... my brother and I
    would go to the "black" churches in the country, crawl *under* the
    church (in the early 60s there's no way two white boys could be caught
    in a black church) - so that we could listen to the music!!  How I love
    it to this day ... what precious, fond, memories ....]
487.5My Church: Mother and TeacherSDSVAX::SWEENEYGotham City's Software ConsultantSun Jul 05 1992 00:3321
    The Roman Catholic Church understands her priorities.
    
    The Roman Catholic Church conducts worship in churches, education in
    schools throughout the United States, healing in hospitals, hospices
    for people afflicated with AIDS, and care for the elderly in nursing
    homes, and many other services.
    
    The Vatican and most units of the Church have been operating at a small
    deficit or at balance.  No parish or diocese is accumulating a huge
    surplus that I am aware of.
    
    Involuntary poverty is a great evil especially so when the economic
    system and political is not based on personal liberty as it is in most
    of the third world.
    
    But the offering up of one's wealth for the benefit of worship is a
    good thing.  Great love of God will inspire great love of neighbor:
    that is the spiritual message of St. Francis Assisi and Mother Theresa.
    
    The apostle who urged that the perfume "wasted" on Jesus be sold to
    help the poor was Judas Iscariot (Jn 12:4)