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| Title: | Discussions from a Christian Perspective |
| Notice: | Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome! |
| Moderator: | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE |
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| Created: | Mon Sep 17 1990 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1362 |
| Total number of notes: | 61362 |
484.0. "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Peace) Wed Jul 01 1992 20:58
From Proverbs -
13:24 He that spareth his �rod� hateth his son: but he that
loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
22:15 Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but]
the �rod� of correction shall drive it far from him.
23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou
beatest him with the �rod,� he shall not die.
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the �rod,� and shalt deliver his
soul from hell.
29:15 The �rod� and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to
himself] bringeth his mother to shame.
How frequently those who favor corporal punishment, especially for children,
turn to these quotes to justify their actions!
And it is not without reason. Many times in the Bible the rod is used for
smiting the foolish, the stubborn, the wrongdoer:
From Proverbs -
26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a �rod�
for the fool's back.
10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is
found: but a �rod� [is] for the back of him that is void of
understanding.
From Psalms -
89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
89:32 Then will I visit their transgression with the �rod,� and
their iniquity with stripes.
From Revelation -
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it
he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a �rod�
of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and
wrath of Almighty God.
The shepherd's rod, however, is rarely used for inflicting blows to the
sheep. Rather, a shepherd's rod is pressed firmly against the sheep
to guide and steer the sheep's direction:
From Psalms -
23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of
death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy �rod� and
thy staff they comfort me.
Peace,
Richard
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| 484.1 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Thu Jul 02 1992 17:22 | 16 |
| >How frequently those who favor corporal punishment, especially for children,
>turn to these quotes to justify their actions!
All to often. People seem to think that hitting a child is the only
way to punish a child. I've always believed that the rod is to be used
more as a symbolic tool. Not that one doesn't hit a child, though I
do believe that is seldom needed, but as a physical way of getting a
childs attention. Once a child has obtained a reasonable communication
age physical punishment should be less needed and will become less
effective anyway.
And none of those verses indicate the kind of life threatening behavior
some take it to. Like the shepards rod, punishment is for direction and
not just for punishments sake.
Alfred
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| 484.2 | | SWAM1::DOTHARD_ST | PLAYTOE | Thu Jul 02 1992 20:37 | 10 |
| re: 1
One of the verses referenced in the basenote says,
> 13:24 He that spareth his �rod� hateth his son: but he that
> loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
What about the statement "hateth his son"...do you think that this is
possibly the case? Can you explain the reasoning behind this
statement?
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| 484.3 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Peace | Fri Jul 03 1992 15:21 | 16 |
| Playtoe .2,
If you accept the rod as an instrument of guidance, I would say
that this verse says that in failing to provide your child with direction
or guidance, you are really doing your child a disservice.
Peace,
Richard
Those who are easily offended should press NEXT/UNSEEN, rather than a
carriage return.
PS At the risk of seeming whimsical, I might add that I am pleased to report
that my rod was instrumental in conceiving my son in the first place. :-)
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| 484.4 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Mon Jul 06 1992 09:22 | 8 |
| Children need guidance. They need guidelines and limits. Children who
do not get guidelines and limits tend to be very unhappy. Generally
they see the failure to guide them as an indication that their parents
don't love them. I do believe that letting a child do what ever they
want and not providing punishment (which need not be physical) is an
act of hate.
Alfred
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