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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
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423.0. "Sermon, comments welcomed (critique)" by OLDTMR::FRANCEY (USS SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d18) Fri Mar 20 1992 06:14






                              "Interpreting the Dream"
                                    Exodus 3:1-15
                                I Corinthians 10:1-13
                                   March 22, 1992
                                     Ron Francey
                                          
          Nothing  scares  people  like  change  or  like  approaching  the
          unknown.   The whole  notion of  change expresses  itself in many
          ways.   One common  way is through fear.  We experience this fear
          early in  our lives  and this  fear  seems  to  journey  with  us
          throughout our  lives, weaving  in and  out of our lives over the
          years.   Sometimes these moments of facing change can later on in
          our lives be laughed at.
          
          When was  the last time you held up a baby, a young child in your
          arms, held  the child  high above  the waters that you were waste
          deep in?  This may have been in a pool, a lake or in the pounding
          waves of the ocean.  You were intent on teaching the child how to
          swim.  Let me ask, what was the child intent on doing?
          
          If you  don't remember  the time  when you were the adult, do you
          remember the  time you  were the  child?    For  me,  I  remember
          squirming away, screeching as loud as my lungs could bare - alas,
          it was  to do no good for me - I was still let go into the depths
          of the water below.  I thought I was going to drown for sure.
          
          Recently I  wrote my ordination paper and part of the paper is my
          faith journey.   I  had written the paper once many years ago and
          then updated  it a  few years  ago.  My professors and colleagues
          generally liked  the paper  but thought  I should express more of
          where God  was in my life during a rather difficult journey.  And
          so it  was a  few months ago that I worked for a few weeks on the
          paper, concentrating primarily on my faith journey.
          
          What I  discovered about  myself and  my relationship  to God was
          truly a  work of  art, that art being God's Grace.  I am one that
          learns a  lot about  God through  symbols, through  what  I  have
          learned to call syncronicity.  Syncronicity - things that seem to
          happen randomly  yet are  somehow connected through the touch and
          intention of  God.  Things that happen at such unbelievable odds;
          yet, in fact, happen.
          
          The symbol  of the child being dropped into the water is for me a
          living parable  of God's love for us.  For as I was dropped I had
          forgotten that  I had been held, that one who loved me deeply was
          at my  side to  look over  and care for me.  So too is God at our
          side yesterday, today and tomorrow.
          
          There are  many incidents,  many challenges  that come  into  our
          lives over  time that  are more  important  and  have  more  long
          lasting affect  on our  lives and  the lives  of others  than the
          water episode  illustrated.  Most of these challenges confront us
          through the  medium of  change, and  we get petrified.  I am sure
          that there  are many  of you  here today  that are  either now or












          previously have  faced some really difficult times, objects - and
          have been petrified about the unknown, the future.
          
          On "48 Hours" this past week a few segments focused on the family
          strife which  is a  direct result of our recession.  Good people,
          hard working  people, people  who have  worked all their lives to
          work toward  the good  old American  Dream are  seeing all  their
          assets eaten  up through  this recession  - a depression to those
          who are  caught up  in it.   Families  are breaking  up over  the
          stress, over the fear of the unknown and unpredictable - or maybe
          it's really all too predictable - future.
          
          Others of  us might  have been  going along  just fine  in  life,
          things seemed to working out ok for ourselves and everyone in our
          family -  until  suddenly  our  wife  or  mother  or  grandmother
          suddenly are  diagnosed with  untreatable or  mailignant  cancer.
          Suddenly we  are forced  to face  change, a  change that seems so
          cruel, so devastating, so unmanageable.
          
          And still  others of  us face what seems to be an impossible task
          of being  church, or  of being  churched, of  being nourished and
          cared for in these troubled times within which we live.  At times
          when in  our church  we face  change, and  change again,  we feel
          paralyzed, crippled,  unable to bare the next moment.  We ask God
          how all this can be possible.
          
          Where is God in all this?
          
          And so  we can  turn to  the bible, to the Word of God and open a
          reservoir of  wealth, of  material which  we can let permeate our
          very  being,   to  nourish   ourselves  both   individually   and
          corporately.  And how does today's scripture speak to you?
          
          Well, I  wonder how  Moses must  have felt the time he approached
          that burning  bush.   We find  Moses keeping  the  flock  of  his
          father-in-law Jethro,  the priest  of Midian;  he led  his  flock
          beyond the  wilderness, and  came to  Horeb, the mountain of God.
          Can you  imagine looking  at a  bush that  was  blazing  and  not
          consumed?
          
          Such is  the image  of the  richness of  a God  whose love  lasts
          forever.   Such is  the image  of a  God who defies natural laws.
          Such is  the image of the God of Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, of
          our God.
          
          Moses faced change, not because he was looking for it, not on his
          calendar of  time, not  because he was better able to take change
          than any  of his  friends or  family - Moses faced change because
          our loving God called him to the task.
          
          God saw  oppression, the  lack of  freedom, the lack of equality,
          the lack  of dignity  and called  Moses to lead the people out of
          Egypt and  to the  promised land.   Where Moses had earlier said,
          "Here I  am" to  the voice of God coming out of the burning bush,












          Moses  now  retreated,  reconsidered  just  a  little  about  his
          eagerness to  present himself  before God.  Moses said: "Who am I
          that I  should go  to Pharoah,  and bring  the Israelites  out of
          Egypt?"
          
          And God  said to  Moses that:  "I will  be with you."  "I will be
          with you."
          
          
          And when  I spent  those weeks  a few  months ago,  working on my
          faith journey  - it  is that same message that came home to me as
          it had  to Moses  as I  dealt with that journey.  And God said to
          Moses that:  "I will  be with  you."  "I will be with you."  As I
          meditated on who I was, on whom I had become, on where God was in
          my life - I found that God had been present in so many ways - and
          I just  hadn't known  it.   God's love is powerful, God's love is
          unending.
          
          Recall our responsive Psalm, Psalm 103:
          
          "Bless the Lord, O my soul,
             and all that is within me,
             bless his holy name.
           Bless the Lord, O my soul,
             and do not forget all his benefits -
             who forgives all your iniquity,
               who heals all your diseases,
             who redeems your life from the Pit,
               who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy,
             who satisfies you with good as long as you live
               so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.
          
           The Lord works vindication
             and justice for all who are oppressed.
           He made known his ways to Moses,
             his acts to the people of Israel.
           The Lord is merciful and gracious,
             slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.
           He will not always accuse,
             nor will he keep his anger forever.
           He does not deal with us according to our sins,
             nor repay us according to our iniquities.
           For as the heavens are high above the earth,
             so great is his steadfast love
               toward those who fear him;
           as far as the east is from the west,
             so far he removes our transgressions from us.
           As a father has compassion for his children,
             so the Lord has compassion for those who fear him.
          
          It is  because God was with Moses that the people were able to be
          led out  of Egypt  and into the promised land.  It is because God
          was with us that our heritage led us to build this church and the
          churches around  the world.   It  is because  God will be with us












          that we  are able  to work  together toward  the  time  when  the
          kingdom shall be on this earth as it is in heaven.
          
          Sometimes when I reflect on the trials and tribulations of Moses,
          I think  that as  tough as  his task  was and  it  certainly  was
          difficult, our  way might be just a little tougher.  Moses, after
          all, called  out to  God on  many, many  occasions and God always
          answered him.   God  instructed Moses  on how  and what and when.
          God stopped the murmuring of the people against Moses, Aaron, and
          against God.
          
          When is  the last time you heard God's voice to direct you in the
          way to  solve your problems, your families problems, the problems
          within the different visions of the church or the problems of the
          world?   Where is  the  cloud,  the  glory  of  the  Lord,  which
          surrounded Moses  - in  your lives, in mine?  If there is a cloud
          leading you through the desert of your life, is it the same cloud
          that surounds your neighbors?
          
          We are in the middle of Lent, a time for us to examine ourselves,
          a time for us to repent for the wrongs that we have done, for the
          things that  we have  left undone,  to give  God thanks  for  the
          knowledge imparted  to us  of the  things  that  are  within  our
          ability and  calling to  do, to  ask  for  God  to  give  us  the
          knowledge of things which we are to leave alone.
          
          We are in the middle of Lent, a time that reflects the wilderness
          period of  our Lord  and Master,  yet Jesus  the Christ.    Jesus
          undoubtably spent  many moments examining his call, searching out
          the expression  of God's  love, manifested in his earthly life as
          the Christ.
          
          God has  a vision,  a dream, for each of us, for us together.  It
          is our  lifelong task,  our lifelong  call to  seek  out  and  to
          interpret that  dream.   We each  have been  given different  and
          complementary gifts,  created out of love, each of us made in the
          images of  God.   As we interpret and reinterpret God's dream for
          us, we are called to action, to make that dream real.
          
          The good news is that Jesus came out of the wilderness.
          
          The good  news is  that Moses came out of the wilderness and saw,
          from the  mountaintop, a great land below, a land flowing of milk
          and honey, the promised land.
          
          The good  news is  that this church and her people will also come
          out of  the wilderness.  God has been with you in ways not always
          observed, is  with you  today and  promises to  be on the journey
          with you now and forever more.  Praise be to God!
          










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423.1thanksTFH::KIRKa simple songFri Mar 20 1992 09:094
Powerful,  moving,  it meant a lot to me.  Thanks for sharing that, Ron.

Jim  (recalling when my father held me up to get a better look at Niagra Falls 
      and I knew I would die)
423.2CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPeace: the Final FrontierThu Mar 26 1992 20:086
    When will you be delivering this message, Ron?
    
    I get the feeling you are addressing a particular situation in the
    church.  Is this true?
    
    Richard
423.3on the deliveryOLDTMR::FRANCEYUSS SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d18Fri Mar 27 1992 11:5142
    Richard,
    
    The sermon was delivered last Sunday in Shrewsbury, Vt.  My spouse and
    I shared the pulpit as we hope to do on a regular basis in the near
    future.  The church has had several difficult years and has seen four
    pastors over the past four years attempt a healing ministry.
    
    My sermon delivered primarily extemporaneously with manuscript as
    backup focused on the always present but often unknown presence of God
    in all that we do, in all whom we are.  "Interpreting the dream" is a
    lifelong task God asks of us to interpret God's dream or vision for us
    both individually and corporately.
    
    The church and her people are under the "cloud", the glory of God -
    just as the Israelites were during their venture through the
    wilderness.  Moses and Jesus did not go around the wilderness but went
    through it; God's presence and love are with us today as in the days of
    yesterday and will be with us forever.
    
    The church attendence was 42 people, up from 5 and 16 from the previous
    two weeks.  A reading of the sermon took about 13 minutes, the delivery
    was just under 25.  The chair of the Deaconnate put us up in her
    bed-and-breakfast home and we spent Saturday afternoon and well into
    the evening talking around the coffee table on the church and her
    people.
    
    On Sunday afternoon, we visited in the small town of Grafton, Vt with a
    pastor friend of ours with whom we have had many classes at seminary -
    a small town of 600 people where in the last year two successful
    suicides occured, one unsuccessful suicide happened and two weeks ago a
    fifteen year old boy shot and killed his father.  And so we spent hours
    talking with him about ministry, about the need for nurturing and being
    nurtured.
    
    We drove back Sunday evening through snow covered mountain roads, a
    white blanket hugging the forest, feeding and sustaining that which it
    was protecting.
    
    	Shalom,
    
    	Ron
    
423.4CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPeace: the Final FrontierFri Mar 27 1992 18:334
    I suspect your sermon was an effective one.  Any feedback from the
    congregation?
    
    Richard
423.5on some comments madeOLDTMR::FRANCEYUSS SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d18Sat Mar 28 1992 16:5234
    Many people spoke to us during the coffee hour after service.  The 
    comment made most often was that they had missed sermons that brought
    such a sense of hope.  Others remarked that this was the first time
    they had experienced a shared ministry and they thought it was really
    excellent; they liked the idea.  
    
    People thought my spouse and I worked well together and that it showed
    how well prepared we were for the service.  A few people remarked that
    we must have a perfect marrriage in order to do as well as we did.
    (And as I heard that comment, I thought of the images portrayed by
    so many people who were having the "perfect" marriage - only to
    shortly thereafter break up - or worse to not break up but to
    live chained to the "respectful" relationship - sigh)
    
    And I also wonder how the people might feel if we had become their 
    pastors and heard on some hot summer day, angry cries floating out
    from our open bedroom window.  Sometimes people think pastors aren't
    people but are the refined products of perfection.
    
    It was also interesting that during the coffee hour, the head of the
    trustees approached me (not my wife) and asked what we "needed" for
    the worship service.  When I said we would be happy to take whatever
    was customary for them to give and he remarked $50, he then asked 
    how I wanted the check to be made out.  I responded to "Dot Francey."
    
    He said, "What???"  I mentioned that we were in shared ministry so
    that a check in her name would be fine.  A few minutes later he
    came over where we were standing with the check.  You finish the
    story.
    
    	Shalom,
    
    	Ron