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| 404.1 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Peace: the Final Frontier | Thu Feb 06 1992 15:24 | 14 |
| In Matthew 2.14-15, it says, "When he (Joseph) arose he took the young child
and his mother by night and departed into Egypt, and was there until the
death of Herod. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
saying, 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'"
However, when you read the verse referred to here in full (Hosea 11.1):
"When Israel was young and I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt,"
it seems to be speaking metaphorically about Israel, rather than a singular
human child.
What say ye of this?
Peace,
Richard
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| 404.2 | Israel = Jacob? | OLDTMR::FRANCEY | USS SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d18 | Thu Feb 06 1992 15:58 | 10 |
| Israel is the new name for Jacob. Joseph called Jacob into Egypt in
order to give him goodies during the famine. Before Jacob died, he
asked Joseph to see that he was not buried in Egypt but back home in
Canaan with Abraham and Isaac. So, could the Scripture be referring to
the person Israel rather than the place?
Shalom,
Ron
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| 404.3 | Egypt, the Center of the World | SWAM1::DOTHARD_ST | PLAYTOE | Thu Feb 06 1992 16:27 | 14 |
| Re 1
Richard,
I agree 1000%, that "Out of Egypt have I called my son" is a metaphor
and more than this I believe it has much to do with the "Initiate", or
those who have successfully passed through the Teachings of the
Egyptian temples. I read a passage in a book from just the other day,
I KNEW I should have wrote it down, but I didn't. Anyway, it
reaffirmed what I have been saying about this very thing.
This subject goes much deeper than one might conceive.
Playtoe
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| 404.4 | Who really wrote it all? | SALISH::RUBENKIDA | | Fri Sep 04 1992 13:22 | 35 |
| RE .3
If it makes perfect sense in simple usage then don't try to read
into it the vain philosophy of pagan idol worshippers.
This passage is one of these that is very straightfoward but has a
prophetic application as well as the direct application when read
completely within it's own context.
RE .0
Would anyone using their own statements to further explain and
enlighten their ideas and meanings be considered to be taking their
previous statements "out of context".
I personally adhere to the only (IMHO) acceptable position for a saved
Christian that the Bible is THE single source of God's revelation of
Himself and His relationship with His creation (which includes us). He
wrote it through divine revelation. He protected all of it's essential
statements through His power. He continues to reveal Himself through it
by His Holy Spirit to those who are willing to put themself aside and
listen to what He has to say in it.
I know that last paragraph could easily start another topic if one
hasn't been already but it is foundational to understanding the context
of the Bible as a whole as well as individual passages.
Farewell,
Dave Rubenking
P.S. I believe the Bible can only be taken personally when understood
that very nearly all of it's promises are only for the OT covenant Jew
and the NT born again Christian (of which many are Jewish). All of it's
warnings are for non-believers, apostate believers, and false teachers
who would deceive.
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