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>Re: .18
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>Actually, Alfred, the aspect of military chaplaincy brought up in 223.17,
>as I understand it, is a matter of collusion, a matter of endorsing (or
>blessing) military actions and reasoning.
I assumed that was their point. And as I said it does not reflect
reality. Some military chaplains are against all war. Others some
wars. They view there role as servicing spiritual needs not
supporting or blessing military actions.
Alfred
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281.2 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Centerpeace | Tue Aug 06 1991 17:30 | 19 |
| For two years I had the high and holy honor of serving as a hospital
chaplain within the Penrose-St. Francis System, which is owned and operated
by the Sisters of Charity (Roman Catholic).
While in this service, I gained no small degree of respect for the
role of the institutional chaplain (and eucharistic minister).
I know the reactions I received from people when I was wearing that
crisp, white hospital jacket and that blue and white plastic badge that
identified me as a chaplain. The mere presence of a chaplain has the
potential to sanctify and create meaning, if only in people's minds.
I cannot reconcile the role of chaplain bearing the nationalistic
emblems of military rank and uniform. Then, I cannot reconcile Schwartzkopf
having the Prayer of Saint Francis posted next to his bed, which I understand
he does. Either the General has it wrong or I do.
Peace,
Richard
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281.3 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Wed Aug 07 1991 00:33 | 14 |
| > I cannot reconcile the role of chaplain bearing the nationalistic
>emblems of military rank and uniform.
I don't understand.
>Then, I cannot reconcile Schwartzkopf
>having the Prayer of Saint Francis posted next to his bed, which I understand
>he does. Either the General has it wrong or I do.
I vote he has it right. :-) This is the prayer about changing what
can be etc, right? As logical a prayer for a general as anyone. Perhaps
more so.
Alfred
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281.4 | The Absense of and Need for Diversity | RAVEN1::LEABEATER | | Wed Aug 07 1991 09:09 | 200 |
| What follows is a rather long (hopefully not boring) article I wrote on
diversity in the military chaplaincy. I believe that current ecumenical
trends in the chaplain corps nullify much of the good the chaplaincy
was intended for.
As to whether the chaplaincy should be done away with - well, yes and
no. Yes in that it is no longer representative and in many ways
injurious to the men. No in that the men need to have men of their own
faith on a foreign post for edification and ecouragement. Yet if the
"Yes" statement is true then the "No" statement is a hit or miss
proposition.
The article:
It is my thesis that First Amendment rights are being denied men in
military Chaplaincy. The present United States military Chaplain Corps
nurtures an organizational structure which is defective. It is
defective in that it is inconsistent with the principles of political
and religious liberty.
Diversity is generally, though not exclusively, viewed by the
leadership of all branches of the Chaplain Corps as a necessary evil.
Diversity appears negativistic, cynical, and injurious. Unity is the
predominantly preferred attitude among the majority of contemporary
chaplains in leadership positions. Unity is viewed as positivistic,
believable, and constructive.
The military Chaplain service has instituted a structure to support
this call for unity. The structure is better known as ecumenicism.
Ecumenicism is the attitude that seeks to foster unity among various
denominational and non-denominational Christians. Those who do not wish
to participate in this ecumenical movement often find themselves forced
out of the service. Many chaplains who do not wish to cooperate with
ecumenicism, and those who are familiar with the military chaplaincy,
have told me that chaplains who do not wish to participate in
ecumenical obligations ought not to expect to remain long in the
chaplaincy. Some are given bad reviews by chaplain leadership
supportive of ecumenical views and are not extended. Others are so
uncomfortable with the requirements of ecumenical participation that
their conscience leads them to leave the military chaplain service.
Still others, and I believe most, try to stay in the chaplaincy for as
long as possible until they are given reasons (other than their failure
to cooperate in ecumenicism) to leave.
Reasons Why Diversity Is Believed To Be Problematic
Reasons why unity is viewed as preferable and ecumenicism is imposed on
chaplains may stem from the philosophy that diversity is a weakness,
that it is an evidence of a lack of centrality of religious authority.
Were these diverse elements to be unified it would enhance religious
authority and exercise a more profound influence on the moral state of
the military community.
Another reason diversity may be viewed as a weakness is that it is
often associated in history with factious elements. Often recalled are
the vindictive and bloody conflicts among religious elements in such
events as the Crusades of the 13th and 14th centuries, the intolerance
of the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials, and divisions which
rocked the European continent in Scotland, France, and the Netherlands
wherever the Reformed movements sprang. Diversity is associated with
conflict and such internal dissent is not compatible with a strong
military.
One reason why unity is perceived as a strength is that men of
ecumenical persuation are committed to the presupposition that it is
possible to cooperate with various religious faiths without
compromising one's own convictions. "Cooperation without compromise" is
a foundational principle of the American chaplain service.
Reasons Why Ecumenicism Is Not Beneficial
Diversity has another perspective. It is an outgrowth of the principle
of the freedom of the conscience. This was the central, underlying
influence in what has been called "the dawn of our modern society," the
Reformation. It first found strong expression in the Renaissance with
its emphasis on returning to original sources Q Plato, Aristotle and
other innovative thinkers on human liberty were studied and applied.
The resulting Reformation liberated men to worship God as they saw fit
and in accordance with self-evident principals of social harmony. Man
recognized that liberty is essential for democracy to thrive.
For example, the Protestant doctrine of the priesthood of the believer
allows for unity in matters non-essential while not binding the
conscience of any man. Since the New Testament recognizes that there
"are some things hard to be understood" it is commonly implied that
there is room for disagreement without disrupting the church. Such
unity in diversity is seen in the disagreement of Paul and Barnabas
over John Mark. Their separation furthered the Gospel and did not
hinder it.
Another reason that diversity in the military community is a strength
is that it prevents religious hypocrisy and forced conformity. The
American chaplaincy is not a voluntary ecumenicism, but an imposed one.
Chaplains are required to unite in certain functions with the tacit
goal of emphasizing points of agreement and focusing on a positive
collaboration of efforts. This is manifest in such practices as
required ecumenical prayer breakfasts and requirements on Protestants
of broadly diverse convictions to attend the same chapel services. It
is also seen in the tacit requirement for chaplains to provide
assistance to those outside of their faith group, e.g. a Protestant
Chaplain providing Mormon literature to a soldier who asks for it.
Practices such as these communicate to the soldier, sailor, airman and
Marine that there is no actual religious diversity. That the only real
real religious conviction is that there are no convictions, everybody
is going in the same direction by different routes. This is precisely
what ecumenical nonconforming chaplains do not wish to communicate to
their men. Diversity is not simply a matter of titles: "Protestant
Services" and "Catholic Services;" there is a real doctrinal
divergence.
Unity can be hypocritical in that it encourages conformity to the
status quo without like conformity of conscience. Religion becomes a
sham, a show, an arm of the will of the few in leadership and not an
expression of the many being governed by it. Instead of a Chaplain
standing on his sincere religious conviction he is inclined to
relinquish it to appear more favorable to his Chaplain Corps superiors,
to gain rank, to prevent undesirable transfers, even to remain on
active duty. More simply, it puts him in fear of his job. Faith that is
conditioned on temporal benefit is not faith Q it is economics.
Ecumenical presuppositions imposed within the American Chaplaincy
command structure and daily activities of all chaplains regulate
religious practice. This is not in accordance with the Constitution
which forbids the government from establishing religious practice and
the degree to which religions must actively cooperate with one
another.
But more importantly, forced ecumenical conformity influences the
Chaplain to carry on a ministry not in keeping with the common
conscience of the faith he represents. The chaplain's endorsing agency
is not properly able to carry on the collective convictions of the
civilian churches they represent. Endorsing agencies are representative
bodies tasked with the responsibility of meeting the needs of their
denomination serving in the armed forces. Distinctive observances such
as opening the chapel service for a public invitation after the sermon
to more general creeds as refraining from ecumenical ties, are
suppressed. Suppose a Protestant chaplain does not wish to attend a
prayer breakfast with a Catholic. None of the churches which the
Protestant chaplain had been affiliated with prior to his commission
required their membership to attend ecumenical prayer breakfasts. On
the contrary, it was these church's understanding that such cooperation
was unbiblical. Now however, as a chaplain, he is forced to attend. He
is not representing the convictions of the endorsing agancy's
constituency.
Unity also produces a forced conformity. Faith that is forced is not
faith Q it is force. This is similar to Calvin's Geneva which attempted
to proscribe faith. Citizenship was synonymous with church membership.
Since there was only one authorized church attendance to it soon became
compulsory. A 2100 curfew, no gaming or dancing allowed, and marriages
could only be approved by local magistrates. When Servetes came to
Geneva to challenge this form of ecmenicism he was burned.
Another reason that diversity is a strength is that it inhibits
religious intolerance rather than promoting it. The sermon title "Tis
Satan's plea for limitless toleration" was borne on conceptions that
feared the advancement of falsehood. While it is not the desire of any
Chaplain to see falsehood promoted it has the beneficial effect of
allowing creeds to be tested. Freedom thrives in a free marketplace of
ideas Q both right and wrong. It ought to be the goal of the American
Chaplaincy to reflect this liberty of religious preference and not
proscribe religious ecumenical ties on its Chaplain Corps.
The duty of the church is to provide a godly citizenry for the service
of the state. Whenever the state proscribes religious forms, such as
the ecumenicity found in today's chaplain corps, it breeds religious
intolerance and resulting hypocrisy and forced conformity. Dissenters
are either forced out of this pluralistic environment or attempt change
the structure from within. In either case the state violates
constitutional provision prohibiting forced religious ecumenical
convictions
Within the last twenty-five years an enormous amount of legislation
from state and federal courts has been passed which determine what is
an acceptable religious belief in the eyes of "public policy." The IRS
taxes religious institutions when it finds their rules unacceptable and
thereby strains the finances of an already underpaid faculty. The
Department of Education exerts pressure on church schools and Christian
homes to educate their children in state institutions. The DSS even
takes the Christian parent to court and dictates how their children are
to be raised. The list goes on. The point is that misinformation has
formulated public opinion and generated legislation such as Bob Jones
University v. United States and set a precedent for further changes in
this nation's laws which will continue to inhibit freedom of religious
expression.
The dawn of the twenty-first century is approaching yet it has been
over three hundred years since some twenty-five thousand Puritans fled
England for American soil. These sought an environment where they might
worship God without state hindrances and order their lives in
accordance with their understanding of biblical revelation. If freedom
of religious expression is to continue in our nation society must
change its present attitudes towards the forms in which religion is
expressed. Neither society nor evangelical Christianity need
necessarily agree with that expression, but at least show the kind of
toleration that will keep worship a matter of the conscience and not
drive the Pilgrim and the Puritan out looking for a new world.
In Him,
John
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281.5 | He fought the bad guys and saved the good guys | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Centerpeace | Wed Aug 07 1991 15:28 | 11 |
| Re: .3
Alfred,
A vote for Schwartzkopf is likely to be right (though I suspect you may
be thinking of the Serenity Prayer). My kill ratio is not nearly what
his is. The General is a clearly a greater instrument of God's peace.
(Note 6.54 contains the Prayer of Saint Francis.)
In Her/Him,
Richard
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281.6 | A call for realignment | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Centerpeace | Wed Aug 07 1991 15:54 | 7 |
| Let me make myself clear. Neither I nor the proponent of 223.17 (A Roman
Catholic ex-priest) favor abolishing the military chaplaincy entirely.
Rather, we propose that the chaplaincy be removed from the nationalistic
influence and control of the military and placed instead into civilian hands.
Peace,
Richard
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281.7 | I see that as a big loss with no gain | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Wed Aug 07 1991 16:10 | 12 |
| >Rather, we propose that the chaplaincy be removed from the nationalistic
>influence and control of the military and placed instead into civilian hands.
I don't see what the gain is. Perhaps it's because I believe that
the military has less control over the chaplains then you believe.
Chaplains are responsible first to their own church. Most can be
more easily removed by their church then by the military for example.
I do believe that civilian chaplains would have much *less* access
to the people there are supposed to minister to. Also they will have
less understanding of their problems.
Alfred
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281.8 | have to think on this one a little | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Wed Aug 07 1991 16:12 | 6 |
| > (though I suspect you may
> be thinking of the Serenity Prayer).
You are right I was thinking of a different prayer.
Alfred
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281.9 | Under whose auspices? | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Centerpeace | Thu Aug 08 1991 00:00 | 11 |
| According to a segment on CBS Sunday Morning, there has emerged a new
form of institutional chaplain. Several truck stops, now called
"Travel Plazas," have a full-time chaplain on duty, which, I might
add, I consider a legitimate and valid ministry.
These chaplains are supported either by denominations or denominational
coalitions. However, perhaps it might be more logical if the roadside
chaplaincy was placed under the auspices of the Teamsters Union.
With-tongue-in-cheek,
Richard
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281.10 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Thu Aug 08 1991 11:18 | 5 |
| RE: .9 It would seem to be a very good idea for them to have some
formal relationship with the Teamsters or other trucking industry
group. No tongue in my cheek.
Alfred
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281.11 | Yes! | RAVEN1::LEABEATER | | Sat Aug 17 1991 20:49 | 16 |
| Re: Note 281.6 by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
> -< A call for realignment >-
>
>Let me make myself clear. Neither I nor the proponent of 223.17 (A Roman
>Catholic ex-priest) favor abolishing the military chaplaincy entirely.
>Rather, we propose that the chaplaincy be removed from the nationalistic
>influence and control of the military and placed instead into civilian hands.
>
>Peace,
>Richard
>
I heartily agree with you Richard!
John
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281.12 | but you *would* be doing away with chaplains indirectly | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Sun Aug 18 1991 10:44 | 14 |
| RE: .11 But why? So far no one has given any benefits that outweigh
the overwhelming deficits that separation from the military would
give. In fact I believe that there would be no chaplains if there
were no military ones. OH, perhaps a few here and there but in general
the number of clergy who could do the job, which includes understanding
the military needs and problems as well as being accepted by military
personnel, without being in the military are *very* few and far
between.
Alfred
PS: This is why the Police and Fire departments in most large cities
have chaplains BTW. And yes those chaplains where uniforms and hold
rank.
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281.13 | propensity towards complicity | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Mon Sep 16 1991 16:47 | 18 |
| Remember the gruesome war waged in the Middle East?
During that conflict (the effects of which continue), Garland
Robertson wrote a letter to his local paper questioning the
use of force. So far, pretty ordinary, eh? The difference is
that Robertson is a U.S. Air Force chaplain.
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Robertson received a sharp reprimand from his superior
for including his rank with his signature. On official air force
stationery proclaiming the slogan "Peace is our Profession," Robertson
was informed that he violated air force regulations "prohibiting
political activities of military members."
It is difficult for me to believe that the military is
free of hangups enough to resist the temptation to squelch the
dissenting voice of the Christian pacifist who also happens to
be a chaplain and/or prophet.
Richard
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281.14 | A political act | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | SOAPBOX: more thought, more talk | Wed Sep 18 1991 00:18 | 6 |
| In my view, writing a letter to a newspaper questioning the lawful use
of force by the United States is a political act.
The fact that he is a chaplain doesn't change it. If he feels strongly
about it, he can resign his commission and he'll have the same ability
to write and be a Christian pacifist, if that's what he wants to be.
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281.15 | Can there be more than one answer?? | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Wed Sep 18 1991 16:24 | 5 |
| Ah, yes. That would be the solution for the situation as it presently
exists. Another solution is to rip the chaplaincy program away from
the military, which I maintain is the morally right thing to do.
Richard
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281.16 | and I'm still waiting for answers to .12 but it's only been a month since I asked them | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Wed Sep 18 1991 16:51 | 5 |
| RE: .15 I don't see how the restrictions on a civilian would have
been any different at all in this case. He'd still have to resign
as chaplain if he wanted to be political.
Alfred
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281.17 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Wed Sep 18 1991 17:13 | 7 |
| A chaplain who was not in the military would not be required to resign
or refrain from serving as chaplain for having a letter published in
the editorial column of the local paper. I speak from experience as
a non-military chaplain who has had editorials published in the local
paper. The military rules were violated. Not moral rules.
Richard
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281.18 | I thought you probably knew what I'd say, Alfred | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Wed Sep 18 1991 21:23 | 14 |
| Note 281.16
-< and I'm still waiting for answers to .12 but it's only been a mo >-
Note 281.12
> RE: .11 But why?
Note 281.15
> I maintain [that it] is the morally right thing to do.
Richard
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281.19 | I maintain that not having military chaplains is immoral | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Thu Sep 19 1991 00:34 | 16 |
| > -< I thought you probably knew what I'd say, Alfred >-
Nope, still don't. When I make a rhetorical question I make a point to
be explicit about it in Notes BTW.
> I maintain [that it] is the morally right thing to do.
But why? How can you say that denial of fully effective pastoring
is the morally right thing to do? I've made a case, and heard no
rebuttal yet, that civilian chaplains can not do near as effective
a job as military ones. So so far the only logical conclusion, given
the lack of evidence to the contrary, is that you believe military
people should get short changed unless they are willing to leave the
military.
Alfred
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281.20 | | XANADU::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Thu Sep 19 1991 08:01 | 17 |
| re Note 281.19 by CVG::THOMPSON:
> But why? How can you say that denial of fully effective pastoring
> is the morally right thing to do? I've made a case, and heard no
> rebuttal yet, that civilian chaplains can not do near as effective
> a job as military ones.
I think Richard made the point -- a very valid one, IMHO --
that military chaplains cannot be as effective pastors as
civilians since they are under strictures that limit their
ability to speak out on moral issues.
What is a pastor that cannot speak out on moral issues that
are at the heart of the business at hand? That's not a
pastor at all!
Bob
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281.21 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Thu Sep 19 1991 10:14 | 20 |
| > I think Richard made the point -- a very valid one, IMHO --
> that military chaplains cannot be as effective pastors as
> civilians since they are under strictures that limit their
> ability to speak out on moral issues.
Two points. One is that I believe that Richard overstates the limits
of military chaplains. Two is that in no way has he addressed the fact
that the limits in other areas on civilian chaplains greatly outweigh
the limits of military ones. In short even if I bought Richard's
argument military chaplains would still be more effective than civilian
ones.
> What is a pastor that cannot speak out on moral issues that
> are at the heart of the business at hand? That's not a
> pastor at all!
What than is a pastor who cannot talk to people at all? Or who
can't understand his people? That's not a pastor at all.
Alfred
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281.22 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Thu Sep 19 1991 23:03 | 18 |
| Alfred,
You know what's really amazing to me, Alfred, is that you're
the first person I've met in a long time who (besides me) thinks that
chaplains (in general) provide a truly worthwhile service. I like that!
And I like it that you're so committed to the good chaplains might do within
the military as members of the military.
Fact is, I cannot to respond to the particular questions you've
posed. I cannot supply any evidence that it would better or worse for the
folks in the military if the chaplaincy were to be removed from military
authority.
I thought Bob Fleischer articulated my thoughts and feeling extremely
well for never having spoke with me about it. (I'm impressed, Bob! 8-})
Peace,
Richard
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281.23 | The dilemma | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Mon Sep 23 1991 20:17 | 24 |
| The following are portions of an article in the September-October issue
of _The Other Side_ magazine by John Alexander:
"I call it the chaplains' fallacy. [Military] Chaplains are not
hired to raise deep questions arising from their employer's main activity;
their job is to bless what their employer has already decided to do. They
pray over whatever is going to happen next. Then the real participants
have a yacht race, vote against aid to poor children, shoot their enemies.
The chaplains are not in the chain of command; they are an add-on to the
real activity.
So naval chaplains advise on sexual morality in port (which includes
distribution of condoms), but in wartime they aren't intended to speak to
whether the war is just; they just aren't intended to address the moral issues
raised by their employer's central business. Catholic chaplains are allowed
to serve Mass, of course, and evangelical are allowed to try to save the souls
of the soldiers -- because those things are not seen as impinging on the
business of the employer: killing the enemy......
Thus military chaplains on both sides encourage their soldiers to
go kill each other bravely and well, and when their own soldiers are killed,
they try to soften the blow for the families."
Richard
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281.24 | comparison to black preachers during the slave days? | XANADU::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Tue Sep 24 1991 10:45 | 15 |
| I've been toying in my mind with comparisons between military
chaplains and war on the one hand and black preachers and
black slavery on the other hand.
Black preachers during the slave days used very crafty
oblique language in order to preach about slavery. They knew
that they couldn't get away with a letter to the local paper.
The situations aren't 100% parallel, especially with an
all-volunteer force (well, signing up is voluntary -- the
rest isn't).
Any takers?
Bob
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281.25 | Richard, can you send me a copy of the article? | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Tue Sep 24 1991 11:08 | 57 |
| > "I call it the chaplains' fallacy. [Military] Chaplains are not
>hired to raise deep questions arising from their employer's main activity;
>their job is to bless what their employer has already decided to do. They
This is a basic strawman technique. This is *not* why Chaplain's
are hired. Oh, perhaps a few military zealots would like this to be the
role of the chaplain but I have yet to meet a chaplain who share that view.
Chaplain's are hired because men have spiritual needs where ever they are.
Especially in times of no war the military needs chaplains because people
are less focused then. Chaplain's do council military who have doubts about
being in the military BTW. And they don't just council them to stay. In
fact many military chaplains spend a lot of time helping people get out.
>The chaplains are not in the chain of command; they are an add-on to the
>real activity.
True. This is a plus as it means that they can operate outside the
chain of command and by-pass red tape. Also commanding officers have very
little authority over chaplain activities.
> So naval chaplains advise on sexual morality in port (which includes
>distribution of condoms),
Sounds good so far.
>but in wartime they aren't intended to speak to
>whether the war is just;
Highly unlikely that civilian chaplains would get access to preach
that the war was unjust either. So issue is moot.
>they just aren't intended to address the moral issues
>raised by their employer's central business.
Actually I believe that to some extent they are. I believe that
chaplains serve a purpose to keep military activities within some moral
limits. Where Richard and I draw those limits may of course be different
but I believe that military chaplains serve a moderating purpose.
>Catholic chaplains are allowed
>to serve Mass, of course, and evangelical are allowed to try to save the souls
>of the soldiers -- because those things are not seen as impinging on the
>business of the employer: killing the enemy......
Two points. Killing the enemy is not the whole business of the employer.
Saving souls does often make it hard for people to kill people.
> Thus military chaplains on both sides encourage their soldiers to
>go kill each other bravely and well, and when their own soldiers are killed,
>they try to soften the blow for the families."
Again to promote that this is the main goal of the military chaplain
is an injustice. And I don't believe that very many military chaplains actively
encourage solders to go kill people.
>Richard
Alfred
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281.26 | not practicing what we preach | XANADU::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Tue Sep 24 1991 11:30 | 13 |
| re Note 281.25 by CVG::THOMPSON:
> >but in wartime they aren't intended to speak to
> >whether the war is just;
>
> Highly unlikely that civilian chaplains would get access to preach
> that the war was unjust either. So issue is moot.
Well, in any society like ours which claims that the military
is subject to civilian authority, we could do better in
practice.
Bob
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281.27 | pointer | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Tue Sep 24 1991 21:55 | 5 |
| Re: 281.24
Check out 90.21 which was written by a Black woman.
Richard
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281.28 | notes christian-per | KARHU::TURNER | | Wed Sep 25 1991 10:04 | 8 |
| Its enteresting to compare the ministry of Christ on earth with that of
the militsry chaplain. Jesus didn't directly address issues like slavery,
oppressive government, subjection of women etc. Yet His principles were
in complete opposition to all of these.
Similarly, a military chaplain who speaks out directly about unjust
war or military policy isn't following the example of Christ.
john
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281.29 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Watch your peace & cues | Wed Sep 25 1991 19:23 | 18 |
| Note 281.28
> Jesus didn't directly address issues like slavery,
> oppressive government, subjection of women etc. Yet His principles were
> in complete opposition to all of these.
Neither did Jesus count on military rank and commission to support his
ministry. At the same time, Jesus did not exclude members of the military
from his ministry.
> Similarly, a military chaplain who speaks out directly about unjust
> war or military policy isn't following the example of Christ.
On one level I understand what you're saying. At the same time, I can see
a parallel in Jesus clearing the Temple of its merchants and moneychangers
and the chaplain speaking out against the desecration of life through war.
Richard
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281.30 | Perhaps a justification for military chaplains after all | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Most Dangerous Child | Thu Apr 14 1994 00:10 | 31 |
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It is a fact that in WWII in Europe, the Christian churches were only
helping 'their own' in the particular area that the minister emeritus
was serving in the military as chaplain at the time (believe it was
France). People who were in need of medical assistance were going
without, based on their nationality and religious affiliation or lack
thereof.
He formed a group, and using surplus US medical supplies (I believe he
was in charge of them in his particular area of military responsibility),
gave these to all people who were in the most need of them without regard
for their religion, nationality, race, etc.
At the time he was using the medical supplies in this way, his commanding
officer turned a blind eye toward it and said that either he was going to
get a court martial or be honored for it. Fortunately it turned out to be
the latter.
Eventually he went on to help form the Unitarian Service committee (now
the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee which assists all of humanity
without regard for religion, race, gender, sexual preference and so on.)
Proselytizing is not part of their service, either.
Cindy
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281.31 | The perils of military unorthodoxy | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Unquenchable fire | Mon Jan 23 1995 14:13 | 19 |
| A Southern Baptist military chaplain who questioned the U.S. role
in the Persian Gulf War was forced to retire in December. After Air Force
Lt. Col. Garland Robertson wrote a 1991 letter questioning U.S. use of
force against Iraq, his superiors began maneuvering to subdue him. He
was suspended from pastoral duties and required to take three mental health
exams. The third exam diagnosed a "personality disorder so severe as to
interfere with the normal and customary completion of his duties."
Civilian employees testified that Robertson's superiors were
ordered to have him removed from his post. "If we don't serve what the
institution feels are the best interests, there are subtle ways our
witness can be eliminated," Robertson said.
This example serves to undergird my objection to a military-connected
chaplaincy.
Shalom,
Richard
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