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Conference koolit::disney

Title:The Disneyphile's Disney File
Notice:This Conference can show you The World
Moderator:DONVAN::SCOPA.zko.dec.com::manana::eppes
Created:Thu Feb 23 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:536
Total number of notes:19961

87.0. "WDW Transportation" by GENRAL::HIMES (Close Encounters of the Disk Kind) Tue Apr 25 1989 13:41

    
    This topic is intended to discuss Walt Disney World "internal"
    Transportation. This would differ from from TRAVEL_INFORMATION
    which relates to all the travel transportation "external" to WDW.
    This would be discussions about "routes" and transportation
    "mechanisms" such as bus routes, monorail routes, boats and routes,
    etc.
        
    Also, Len has created an additional keyword "WDW_TRANSPORTATION"
    to reflect WDW internal transportation discussions.

    
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87.4Monorail Schedule ??USMFG::GHIGGINSWed May 31 1989 13:2517
    
      I just tried to call WDW info, and couldn't get through. I'll try
    again later, but wanted to post this to see if I could get the info
    here. On my upcoming trip, only 10 days away, on my first day in
    WDW, I have to go to the TTC (guest relations) to exchange my 
    commemorative passes for actual World P.P.'s. My final destination
    from here will be the MK, but I wanted to take in the Character
    Cafe at the Contemporary Resort in the morning for the character
    breakfast, before heading to the MK. Now for my question... What
    time does monorail service start from the TTC to the Contemp/MK?
                                                                   
      The MK will open at 9am but the breakfast starts at 8am. I'd like
    to finish breakfast by 9am if possible, and hop the monorail to
    the MK for the opening of the park. Does monorail service start
    at say 8:00 am ? Any info would be appreciated !!
    
    George
87.5WEDOIT::BERUBEClaude G. BerubeWed May 31 1989 14:036
    re: .4
    
    Monorail service  to  the  Resort Hotels runs from 7:30am 'till about 2
    hours after the parks close, according to the '89 edition of Birnbaum.
    
    Claude
87.6Back Roads with No IDWOTVAX::BATTYSo Long, And Thanks For All The Fish!Wed Aug 09 1989 09:2113
    Annual Passports allow unlimited use of WDW Transportation. Does
    anyone know if this includes driving on "private roads" within 
    the resort. When we go at Christmas, we are unfortunately staying
    off property, and are looking for ways to "cheat" the system by
    parking at places other than the TTC. Can we legitimately park at
    WDW Hotels and FW, or is the 'Annual' less effective than a resort
    I.D. in these circumstances.
    
    Any tips on where to park etc., mainly to avoid the crush at park
    closing times.
    
    Thanks,
    Mike B.
87.7Yes and No....ASABET::YEE_WONGWed Aug 09 1989 14:258
    We were down WDW at the end of May and from what I could tell,
    as long as you paid your parking fee, you could park at any
    of the hotel parking lots.  We stayed at the Caribbean Beach Resort
    and occasionally we would go in the back way and I think that you
    need a resort i.d. for that.  When we went to visit the MK, we
    parked at the hotels.  (It sure beats the crowds at the TTC.)
    
    Jean
87.8You can't charge dinner to your room...IOENG::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Wed Aug 09 1989 15:1618
RE: .6

Mike,

With an annual passport, you should be allowed to do anything that a resort
guest is allowed to do (except stay in one of the rooms ;^> ).  Actually, there
are a few other restrictions, such as charging purchases and meals to your room.
But for anything where you need only to show a resort ID, your annual passport
should be just as good. 

We always park at the Grand Floridian and take the monorail to the MK.  We chose
it because it's the last stop before the MK.  However, on the way back, it's the
last stop so we usually take the boat across. (That's the boat to the GF, not
the ferry to the TTC.)

--Jay

87.9WEDOIT::BERUBEClaude G. BerubeWed Aug 09 1989 16:055
    Unless they  changed  the  rules,  you MUST show a RESORT ID to use the
    back way near  the  Villa's,  at  least  this  was the case back in '87
    (That's what the sign said, Resort Id's or Employee Badges)
    
    CLaude
87.11Getting Around WDWINDMKT::GOLDBERGLen, Back From the WorldTue Dec 12 1989 17:14503
    Here some the recommended ways of getting from one place to another
    within Walt Disney World based on the routes in 87.10.  Although there
    are alternative combinations of routes available, the most direct
    routes are outlined below.  Some routes are not available in the early
    morning an late evening hours, so please check with the operating hours
    with Transportation Operations (407) 824-4457 or WDW Information (407)
    824-4321.

    (note: "+" indicates a connection)


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From: Contemporary Resort

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Orange & White (MK)
                                  Flag bus

Discovery Island		> Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Epcot Monorail

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Blue Pennant launch -or- Hotel Monorail to 
River Country			  TTC + Blue Flag bus

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Hotel Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Hotel Monorail

Polynesian Resort		> Hotel Monorail

The Disney Inn			> Hotel Monorail to Polynesian + Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus (6 p.m. to 2
				  a.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Green & Gold (MK)
                                  Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Red Flag bus


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From: Polynesian Resort

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Green Flag bus or Walk� to TTC + Orange &
				  White (MK) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Gold Pennant launch to Magic Kingdom + Green
				  Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Green Flag bus or Walk to TTC + Epcot Center
                                  Monorail

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Green Flag bus or Walk to TTC + Blue
 River Country			  Flag bus

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Hotel Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Hotel Monorail -or- Gold Pennant launch

The Disney Inn			> Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Green Flag bus or Walk to TTC + Red Flag
				  bus

Pleasure Island			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus (6 p.m. to 2
				  a.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Green Flag bus or Walk to TTC + Green &
				  Gold (MK) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Green Flag bus or Walk to TTC + Red Flag
				  bus

� note: Walk way to TTC is located adjacent to the Pago Pago longhouse.


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From: Grand Floridian Beach Resort

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Gold Flag bus or Hotel Monorail to TTC +
                                  Orange & White (MK) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Gold Pennant launch to Magic Kingdom + Green
                                  Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Epcot Monorail

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Hotel Monorail to TTC + Blue Flag bus
 River Country

Magic Kingdom			> Hotel Monorail -or- Gold Pennant launch

Polynesian Resort		> Gold Flag bus

The Disney Inn			> Gold Flag bus to Polynesian + Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Gold Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus (6 p.m. to 2
				  a.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Gold Flag bus to TTC + Green & Gold (MK) Flag
                                  bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Gold Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus


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From: The Disney Inn

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Green Flag bus to TTC + Orange & White (MK)
                                  Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Green Flag bus to Polynesian + Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Green Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus to Ft.
                                  Wilderness + Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Green Flag bus to TTC + Epcot Monorail

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Green Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Green Flag bus to Polynesian + Gold Flag bus
                                  or Hotel Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Green Flag bus to Polynesian + Hotel Monorail

Polynesian Resort		> Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Green Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus (6 p.m. to 2
				  a.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Green Flag bus to TTC + Green & Gold (MK)
                                  Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Green Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus


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From: Disney Village Resort (Villas)

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus to Epcot Center +
                                  Orange & White (EC) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Hotel
                                  Monorail

Discovery Island		> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag
                                  bus to Ft. Wilderness + Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag
 River Country			  bus

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Gold Flag
                                  bus or Hotel Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + MK
                                  Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Green & Gold (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus 

Typhoon Lagoon			> Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus to Epcot Center +
                                  Red Flag bus


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From: Fort Wilderness Resort, Pioneer Hall, River Country

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Orange & White (MK)
                                  Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Blue Pennant launch -or- Blue Flag bus to TTC
                                  + Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Epcot Monorail

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Gold Flag bus or
                                  Hotel Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Green Pennant launch

Polynesian Resort		> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus (6 p.m. to 2
                                  a.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Green & Gold (MK) Flag
                                  bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Blue Flag bus to TTC + Red Flag bus


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From: Caribbean Beach Resort

To
--
Contemporary Resort		> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Hotel
                                  Monorail or Gold Flag bus

Discovery Island		> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Blue
                                  Flag bus to Ft. Wilderness + Blue Pennant
                                  launch

Epcot Center			> Orange & White (EC) Flag bus

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Blue
 River Country			  Flag bus

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Hotel
                                  Monorail or Gold Flag bus

Magic Kingdom			> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + MK
                                  Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Orange & White (MK) Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Orange & White (V) Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Orange & White (V) Flag bus (after 6 p.m.)

Disney Village Resort		> Orange & White (EC) Flag bus to Epcot Center
                                  + Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Orange & White (ST) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Orange & White (V) Flag bus


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From: Magic Kingdom

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Orange & White
                                  (MK) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Green Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Epcot Center
                                  Monorail

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Green Pennant launch
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Hotel Monorail or Gold Pennant launch

Polynesian Resort		> Hotel Monorail or Gold Pennant launch

The Disney Inn			> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Red Flag bus

Disney Village Resort		> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Green & Gold
                                  (MK) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Blue & White
                                  (MK) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> MK Monorail or Ferry to TTC + Red Flag bus


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From: Epcot Center

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Orange & White (EC) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Hotel
                                  Monorail

Discovery Island		> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue
                                  Flag bus to Ft. Wilderness + Blue Pennant
                                  launch

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue
 River Country			  Flag bus

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Hotel
                                  Monorail or Gold Flag bus

Magic Kingdom			> Epcot Monorail to TTC + MK Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Epcot Monorail or Red Flag bus to TTC + Green
                                  Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Red Flag bus -or- Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Red Flag bus

Disney Village Resort		> Green & Gold (EC) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Blue & White (EC) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Red Flag bus


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From: Disney Village Marketplace

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Orange & White (V) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Hotel Monorail 

Discovery Island		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus to Ft.
                                  Wilderness + Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Green & Gold (ECV) Flag bus -or- Red Flag bus 

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Red Flag bus to TTC + Gold Flag bus or Hotel
                                  Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Red Flag bus to TTC + MK Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Red Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Walk

Disney Village Resort		> Green & Gold (STV or ECV) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Red Flag bus


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From: Pleasure Island 

   (Note: Most routes to and from Pleasure Island run from 6 p.m. to 2 a.m.
    For service earlier in the day, use transportation to the Disney Village
    Marketplace and walk across the bridge to Pleasure Island.)

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Orange & White (V) Flag bus 

Contemporary Resort		> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus 

Discovery Island		> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus to Ft. Wilderness
                                  + Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Red Flag bus

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Magic Kingdom			> Red Flag bus to TTC + MK Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

The Disney Inn			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Walk

Disney Village Resort		> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Disney/MGM Studio		> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Red Flag bus


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From: Disney MGM Studios

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Orange & White (ST) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus

Discovery Island		> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus to Ft. Wilderness
                                  + Blue Pennant launch

Epcot Center			> Blue & White (EC) Flag bus

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Gold & Black (STE) Flag bus
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Magic Kingdom			> Blue & White (MK) Flag bus + MK Monorail or
                                  Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

The Disney Inn			> Gold & Black (STW) Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Disney Village Resort		> Green & Gold (STV) Flag bus

Typhoon Lagoon			> Blue & White (EC) Flag bus to Epcot Center +
                                  Red Flag bus


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From: Typhoon Lagoon

To
--
Caribbean Beach Resort		> Orange & White (V) Flag bus

Contemporary Resort		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Hotel Monorail

Discovery Island		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus to Ft.
                                  Wilderness + Blue Pennant launch 

Epcot Center			> Red Flag bus

Ft. Wilderness, Pioneer Hall,	> Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue Flag bus
 River Country

Grand Floridian	Beach Resort	> Red Flag bus to TTC + Gold Flag bus or Hotel
                                  Monorail

Magic Kingdom			> Red Flag bus to TTC + MK Monorail or Ferry

Polynesian Resort		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus or Walk

The Disney Inn			> Red Flag bus to TTC + Green Flag bus

Disney Village Marketplace	> Red Flag bus

Pleasure Island			> Red Flag bus

Disney Village Resort		> Red Flag bus to Disney Village Marketplace +
                                  Green & Gold (ECV)

Disney/MGM Studio		> Red Flag bus to TTC + Blue & White (MK)

87.13New Bus Terminal at Magic KingdomTADSKI::NELSONRunnin' in circlesWed Jun 06 1990 14:215
    	A quick update to the Bus transportation:
    
    	   As of May 29, 1990, a new terminal was opened at Magic 
    	   Kingdom. The routing to Magic Kingdom via the TTC is no
    	   longer necessary.
87.14Need More ExplanationCOEM::SCOPAMAJORWed Jun 06 1990 16:055
    Re: .13
    
    What does this new terminal accomplish?
    
    Mike
87.15Explaination to .13 (I hope)SHRBIZ::NELSONTryin to keep the customer satisfiedWed Jun 06 1990 16:4315
    re: .14
    	We were staying at the CBR (transportation to the parks from the 
    CBR is by Bus only). On Monday the 28th of May, it was necessary 
    for us to take a bus from the hotel to the TTC, then choose between 
    the monorail or ferry, along with everybody else, to complete the trek 
    to Magic Kingdom.
    	On Tuesday the 29th of May, the bus designated for Magic Kingdom,
    went directly to the Magic Kingdom. No intermediate stops or transfers.
    I suppose the big benefit is, if you are a WDW guest, with a passport,
    you don't have to contend with the general populus, at the TTC (ie.
    the crowds boarding the ferry and monorail).
    	The bus terminal at MK then became the transfer terminal to Fort 
    Wilderness, choose the blue flag bus or the launch.
    
    dave
87.16My wife will love thisCOEM::SCOPAMAJORThu Jun 07 1990 11:266
    Dave,
    
    Ahhhhh, now that's better. Does that mean you also returned to the CBR
    directly from TMK? Is that better than using a car? It appears so.
    
    Mike_who_will_be_a_CBR_resident_in_about_4_weeks
87.17I much preferred the car....FDCV06::GRUBBSThu Jun 07 1990 14:4233
    
    
    	To each his own, I'd say.........I was also in CBR from May
    27-June 3.  I found it most convenient to drive to wherever the first
    park was in the morning, drive wherever for afternoon break and return
    by CBR room, then use WDW transportation throughout rest of day.
    
    	Also note that we never waited at any toll plaza more than one car
    length, or parked more than a parking lot section away from the front
    of the park or TTC, this might not be so during much more crowded
    summer months.  The one day the monorail from TTC to MK was really
    packed(Sat June2 before we left) the ferry was much faster because
    there were three boats running, and one ferry held as many people as
    were backed up down the ramps to get on the monorail!
    
    	If you are going from CBR (by car) first thing in the morning to 
    Epcot (5min), MGM (2min), Typhoon Lagoon (5min), or PI(10min) then 
    leaving that afternoon for a break, I liked driving (usually took a run
    by the room for a shower and/or nap after Typhoon Lagoon or RC) then 
    returning to the park later by WDW transpo cause parking would be filled
    up.  It is also advantageous not to drive if you stay till park closing 
    to see fireworks shows, etc.
    
    	The bus did go directly to MK but is a 20-30 min ride based on
    driver.  If you missed it, wait 15 to 20 min, it could take close to 45
    min to an hour to get there.  The drive from CBR to TTC and onto
    ferry/monorail usually was fast for us, plus we would have the car in a
    central location to Epcot or MK if we needed it.
    
    	Another hint: A BIGGIE, if you want a bus to the Disney Village/PI you
    have to go to the circle drive at Old Port Royale.  It does not stop
    anywhere else, and you'll see it come and go if you're waiting at one
    of the regular bus stops.  It's the Orange/White V flag bus.
87.19I have to give the counter-pointNITMOI::WITHERSAnother Hallmark Moment. -Al BundyThu Jun 07 1990 16:2416
I stayed at the CBR during the week after Easter and I like on-site transit.
I never waited the 45 minutes that I often see quoted, more like 20 (granted
then to the TTC).  As far as EPCOT/MGM neither park was more than 5-10 minutes
away and I never waited more than 10 minutes for a bus (usually 5 or less).

The point about the Village is well taken.  To go to the village you have to
walk to Old Port Royale or take an Orange Flag (internal CBR route) bus.

Anyway, as was said, to each his own but I like the thought of leaving the
car behind and prefer WDW transportation (which BTW is underrated even by WDW
if you ask (since they try to be safe) one destination was booked at 30-45
minutes by the Grand Floridian Concierge and took 15 minutes).

To each his own, but at least one vote for the buses/boats/monorails/trams,

George
87.20Bus for me!GEMINI::GIBSONFri Jun 08 1990 10:0410
    I'd rather use the buses, too. If I get a good parking place at the
    hotel I hate to give it up. Besides, we got to meet new people and
    chat on the bus. In a 5 day stay we drove to and from the airport 
    and once to Disney Village to shop. The rest of the time the car sat
    at CBR. We never waited more than 10 minutes for a bus, and my husband 
    hated getting off at TTC and getting into another line for more
    transportation to MK. The rest of the time it was almost door to door 
    service!
    
    Linda
87.21How 'bout July?COEM::SCOPAMAJORFri Jun 08 1990 10:405
    Linda,
    
    Do you think the wait times will be the same in July?
    
    Mike_who_leaves_one_month_from_today
87.22more people=longer wait???GEMINI::GIBSONFri Jun 08 1990 12:327
    They might be a little longer because of more people. Once, first thing
    in the morning, we had to wait for a second MK bus because the first
    one had been filled by the earlier stops. It was right behind the other
    one about 5 minutes. That might happen more often if the hotel is more
    crowded.
    
    Linda
87.23more people = more bussesNITMOI::WITHERSAnother Hallmark Moment. -Al BundyFri Jun 08 1990 13:086
    But also in the summer, high season months there would be more busses
    running.  Also, note my trip was in the "dreaded" Easter Week!  I still
    was a bus propornante (sp?).
    
    George
    
87.24What's doing with the EPCOT/MGM water shuttles ?AKOV14::HILLWed Sep 12 1990 05:2138
    
    	Okay, on the advise of our moderator, I came snooping around in
    here for information on WDW buses. As usual, Claude's advise was on 
    the money -- but I still have a few questions about getting around 
    the world that I hope recent WDW visitors can answer. Only, this
    time, I need info about the resort's water shuttle network.
    	You see, I remember reading somewhere that -- sometime this year
    -- WDW was supposed to begin running water shuttles ( Similiar to the
    boats that cruise around the World Showcase lagoon ) from EPCOT Center
    to the Disney / MGM Studio Theme Park. Supposedly, these boats would depart
    from the new International Gateway entrance at EPCOT, making stops at the
    Disney Beach and Yacht Club, the Dolphin and the Swan hotels, then finally
    dropping its passengers at a dock just outside the entrance to the studio
    theme park.
    	Okay, now for the specific questions :
    
    	1) Is this system of water shuttles up and running yet ?
    	2) If so, what sort of schedule do they keep ? How many shuttles
    	   run each hour and how long does it take them to get from EPCOT
           Center to Disney / MGM ?
    	3) Most importantly, would it be faster just to grab a bus over
    	   to the studio at the transportion area just outside EPCOT Center's
           entrance or should I stick with the water shuttle ?
    
    	I'd appreciate any and all info recent visitors to WDW might have
    on this subject. I'm headed down to Orlando during the first week of 
    October and have very little free time to spend in the parks. So -- in 
    order to make the most of my time at WDW -- I really need to know the
    speediest, most time efficient ways to get around the resort.
    
    	Hope you folks can help me. I've got just 21 days to get the inside 
    scoop on the new twists and turns in WDW's transportation system. After 
    that, I'm on my own.
    
    	So, to quote Seth Brundle : " Heeeeelp meeeeee ! "
    
    		           Thanks, etc. Robespierre 
                                          
87.25Epcot to MGM in 5 minutesCOEM::SCOPAMAJORWed Sep 12 1990 09:2721
    Yo Robes,
    
    As of late July I do not believe the water shuttles were running. I'd
    like to hear from those noters who have returned within the last 30
    days for an update regarding these shuttles.
    
    Epcot Center and MGM are less than 5 minutes from each other. If you
    drive while down there you'll have no problem and zipping from one to
    the other.
    
    The busses will also get you from Epcot to MGM rather fast
    too...probably more convenient too since they will let you off
    relatively close to the front gate. 
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    I've never tried the Int'l Gateway route which connects the World
    Showcase to the Dolphin-Swan Complex. That would be some fresh new
    information which would be welcomed in the conference.
    
    Mike
87.26TECRUS::JIMJim PappasWed Sep 12 1990 12:1510
In late June/early July, the water shuttle was connecting the dolphin/swan to
MGM.  However, they were not running the shuttle to EPCOT.  They did have a tram
running from Dolphin/Swan to EPCOT (I was on it when the driver decided to get 
in an accident and wipe out a side of the tram).  As with all WDW 
transportation, the most important thing is the number of hops necessary,
therefore, I would take the bus that goes direct between MGM and EPCOT if it is
still operational.  That way you only wait for the 
bus/boat/tram/monorail/whatever once.

/Jim Pappas
87.27Epcot/MGM Water Shuttle & Int'l GatewayFPTVX1::ABRAMSMy home is my CATsleFri Sep 21 1990 10:3915
We returned last week.  We didn't use the water shuttle from Epcot to MGM, but
it was running -- we saw it and asked where it went.   It doesn't appear to
run very often, though.  If you catch it at the right time, it does deliver
you close to the MGM gate. At Epcot, it's right outside the turnstiles of the
international gateway.

We used the international gateway to escape from Epcot and IllumiNations
more easily by parking at the Dolphin.  It's a 10 minute ride on a tram to
the center bridge between the Swan and Dolphin, runs every 30 minutes, maybe
more often at peak times.  It's a long walk to the parking lot from there!

I still think it was better than fighting the crowds to the monorail.

Bill

87.28UpdateSENIOR::GOLDBERGLen, I'm a friend of Walt D.Tue Jan 08 1991 17:0525
    Here is a quick update on some of the changes in the WDW transportation
    system:

    1. With the opening of the new bus station at the Magic Kingdom
    entrance it is now possible to travel directly to the MK from each of
    the WDW resorts without an intermediate transfer at the TTC.  There are
    direct buses from the Village area and EPCOT resorts, and the Disney
    Inn.  As always the Monorail is available from the GF, Poly, and
    Contemporary.  Launches serve Ft. Wilderness, the GF, and the Poly.

    2. "Friendship" launch service is available from the Disney/MGM Studio
    entrance to the Swan/Dolphin and Beach/Yacht Club Resorts, though not
    yet to EPCOT.  They seem to be experimenting with the routes.  The day
    we were there, there were different boats for each pair of hotels. 
    Others have reported the boats make the loop of all three stops.  Some
    studio cast members didn't know the service was available to the B/YC
    when we asked.

    3. DON'T FORGET YOUR RESORT I.D. (Yes I'm shouting.)  It is required
    for many of the transportation routes, even though they don't always do
    a good job checking.  It is possible to get somewhere and not be able
    to get back for lack of I.D.  One participant in this conference, (who
    shall not be named), managed to get himself to Pleasure Island one
    night without his I.D. and was refused a return trip.  I'm not sure his
    wife is talking to him yet.
87.29Addition to the updateAAARGH::LOWELLGrim Grinning Ghosts...Wed Jan 09 1991 14:3610
    re: .28
    
    One day during our last visit they were also running buses from
    the TTC to the Magic Kingdom.  There were lines for the monorail
    and ferry but not for the buses.  I'm not sure if this is a regular
    thing or if it was due to the (anticipated) crowds.  The buses
    were located to the right of the monorail ramps after you pass
    through the turnstile.
    
    Ruth
87.30Transportation Cost?COEM::SCOPAI'd rather be in OrlandoMon May 13 1991 13:599
    Can anyone shed some light on this?
    
    A friend of mine just returned from The World and said that when she
    purchased a 5-day pass that she was told that $9.50 of the total cost
    of the ticket was to cover transportation. 
    
    Anyone hear of this?
    
    Mike 
87.31TOKLAS::feldmanLarix decidua, var. decifyMon May 13 1991 18:4414
Disney is a conglomerate.

The division that handles transportation around the world is separate from the
division that runs the theme parks (and probably still separate from the
division that runs the hotels).  I think they're all separate corporations, but
with Disney owning all or virtually all of the stock in each such 
corporation.

I can't vouch for the dollar amount, but my interpretation is that $9.50 of
the cost of the ticket winds up as revenue for the company that runs the
transportation network, with the remaining amount recorded as revenue for the
theme park company.

   Gary
87.32from what I rememberSALEM::BERUBE_CGood Morning WDW!, in 29 daysFri Mar 27 1992 07:3533
    Rep to <<< Note 87.30 by COEM::SCOPA "I'd rather be in Orlando" >>>

>    A friend of mine just returned from The World and said that when she
>    purchased a 5-day pass that she was told that $9.50 of the total cost
>    of the ticket was to cover transportation. 

    Well if  you  really want to get technical on this hear goes.  While on
    my last trip,  the  family  was fortunate enough to ride up in front of
    the monorail with the  Driver.  With luck we had a rather chatty driver
    and one of the topics  was  transportation.
    
    The driver stated how if your staying at any of  the monorail hotels, a
    heftier chuck of your  hotel  rate  that  goes  toward  support  of the
    transportation  expense  goes  toward  the   Monorail  upkeep/operating
    expense.  Whereas the non monorail hotels, still do have a chunk of the
    rate  slated  toward  the  monorail  the majority of  the  transportion
    portion goes toward buses.
    
    The resonaing behind this is that Monorail Hotel Guests as more apt  to
    use the Monorail vs the busses to get around (you can get to MK/Epcot),
    whereas  the  non-monorail   hotel  guest  are  more  apt  to  use  the
    buses/water shuttle or cars.
    
    The driver stated that is one of the reasons why you'll see nothing but
    luxury hotels on the Monorail run, so as to be able  to  cover the cost
    of the Monorail vs buses/water shuttles in general.
    
    So I had asked  about  the Passport, and yes a portion (I forget the %)
    was alocated to transportion.   He  did state that Onsite guest tend to
    use the transportion services more so  than  off-site  guest, since the
    off-site guest most likely have brought their own.
    
    Claude
87.33Help a ModSALEM::BERUBE_CGood Morning WDW!, in 29 daysFri Mar 27 1992 07:4419
    Ok while  I'm  in  here discussing WDW transportation, maybe one of you
    recent Port Orleans/Dixie Landing visitors can help me out.
    
    Have any of you taken the water shuttle from PO/DL over to the Shopping
    Village/Pleasure Island?
    
    and if so how often/late do they run?
    
    Birnbaum used to have  a transportation schedule but no longer, and the
    Unofficial guide is just as useless in this department.  I was thinking
    of using the water shuttle to  go over to Pleasure Island and wanted to
    know If they run late into the  night,  or  will  I  have to take a bus
    back.  In past trips the only water  shuttle I had used was to get over
    to    Discovery    Island    and   back,  othewise  I  had  used    the
    Buses/Monorail/car to get around.
    
    thanks,
    
    Claude
87.34Some info...ESKIMO::ROBROSEFri Mar 27 1992 08:5512
    Claude,
    
          The water shuttle is supposed to run every half hour from Port
        Orleans to the shopping village, starting at 10:00 am I think.
        I dont know when they stop running but it did not look like
        they ran these at night, the canals are narrow and I did not see
        any lights.
    
                                 -Rob
    
    
     
87.35Was not runningUSMFG::RMATTIOLIFri Mar 27 1992 09:434
    Claude, when we were there in January the water shuttle was not running
    at night. Friends took the bus to Pleasure Island.
    
    Ron
87.36SALEM::BERUBE_CGood Morning WDW!, in 29 daysFri Mar 27 1992 11:045
    re last couple
    
    thanks, I kinda figured that.
    
    CLaude
87.37Water shuttle to Dixie Landings.,BROKE::LUNDMon Apr 06 1992 15:5811
    
    We took the shuttle from The Village Marketplace back to Dixie
    Landing's; a very long slow ride.... I am trying to remember what time
    the water shuttle stopped; I am thinking it was more like 10-11pm;
    so the canal must be lite at night ( we took it during the day). I
    believe this coincides with the time the market place closed 10pm).
    He did make a point of saying you would need to catch the bus from
    Pleasure Island after that point. I have all the info about
    Dixie Landings, including their map. I'll be posting a Dixie Landings
    Report soon... also.
    
87.38How early do the busses run ?TARKIN::BOUTOTTEThu Jun 25 1992 10:125
    I've seen that the monorail starts running at 7:30am but
    what about the busses for people in non-monorail hotels ?
    
    Diane
    
87.39SALEM::BERUBE_CWhere do you think you are? WDW!!Thu Jun 25 1992 11:2313
    Rep to <<< Note 87.38 by TARKIN::BOUTOTTE >>>

>    I've seen that the monorail starts running at 7:30am but
>    what about the busses for people in non-monorail hotels ?
    
    Diane,
    
    Generally from  a  Non-Monorail resort to the Parks (MK/EPCOT/MGM) they
    run 1 hr prior the specific park opening to 2 hours after closing.  For
    Typhoon Lagoon during park  hours,  Pleasure  Island  6pm-2am  and  the
    Village Marketplace 8am-2am.
    
    Claude
87.41Transportation Routes ("The Flag List")LJOHUB::GOLDBERGLen, Corp. Business Practices GroupFri Jul 31 1992 11:2594
From: [email protected] (CARL  L  SAGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: WDW Internal Transportation
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:24:33 GMT


   With the recent discussion as to the "need" for a rental car while 
staying at WDW,I thought some of you might like a copy of the "flag 
list" with the destinations for all the internal transportation.
   This list was valid at the begining of July 1992,and should remain 
valid thru the rest of the year (but,as always,check with Guest 
Services if you have any questions).


                   WDW Internal Transportation

  Boat launch service:

  Green flag          Ft. Wilderness,MK (1/2 hour before opening till park 
                      close,then pick up only till park clear)
                      Ft. Wilderness,Discovery Island,MK ( 10am till
                      4:45pm,with pick up only at Discovery Island 
                      till clear)
  Blue flag           Contemporary Resort,Ft.Wilderness
                      Contemporary,Discovery Island,Ft.Wilderness (as
                      above)
  Gold flag           Grand Floridian,MK,Polynesian Resort (as above)
  Friendship          EPCOT Resorts,Disney-MGM Studios

  Bus shuttle service: 
      (available at approx 15-25 minute intervals)

  Red                 TTC,Marketplace,EPCOT Center,Typhoon 
                      Lagoon,Pleasure Island
  Green               TTC,Polynesian,Disney Inn
  Green(MK)           Disney Inn,MK
  Blue                TTC,Ft.Wilderness
  Gold                Grand Floridian,Polynesian,TTC,Contemporary
  Orange/White(MK)    TTC,Caribbiean Beach (before/after MK hours)
  Orange/White(MK)    MK,Caribbean Beach (during MK hours)
  Orange/White(EC)    EPCOT Center,Caribbean Beach
  Orange/White(ST)    Studio,Caribbean Beach
  Orange/White(V)     Marketplace,Caribbean Beach,Typhoon Lagoon,
                      Pleasure Island
  Purple/Gold(MK)     TTC,Swan and Dolphin,Yacht and Beach Clubs 
                      (before/after MK hours)
  Purple/Gold(MK)     MK,Swan and Dolphin,Yacht and Beach Clubs
                      (during MK hours)
  Purple/Gold(V)      Swan and Dolphin,Yacht and Beach Clubs,Marketplace
                         ,Typhoon Lagoon,Pleasure Island
  Pink/Green(MK)      TTC,Port Orleans,Dixie Landings (before/after
                      MK hours)
  Pink/Green(MK)      MK,Port Orleans,Dixie Landings (during MK hours)
  Pink/Green(EC)      EPCOT Center,Port Orleans,Dixie Landings
  Pink/Green(ST)      Studio,Port Orleans,Dixie Landings
  Pink/Green(V)       Port Orleans,Dixie Landings,Marketplace,Typhoon
                      Lagoon,Pleasure Island
  Green/Gold(MK)      TTC,Disney Vacation Club,Villas (before/after MK
                      hours)
  Green/Gold(MK)      MK,Disney Vacation Club,Villas (during MK hours)
  Green/Gold(EC)      EPCOT Center,Disney Vacation Club,Villas,Disney 
                      Village Clubhouse,Marketplace
  Green/Gold(ST/V)    Studio,Disney Vacation Club,Marketplace,Villas,
                      Disney Village Clubhouse,Pleasure Island
  Red/White(MK)       MK,Hotel Plaza
  Red/White(EC)       EPCOT Center,Hotel Plaza
  Red/White(ST)       Studio,Hotel Plaza
  Red/White(V)        Marketplace,Pleasure Island,Hotel Plaza
  Gold/Black(STW)     Studio,Polynesian,Grand Floridian,Disney Inn,
                      Pleasure Island
  Gold/Black(STE)     Studio,Ft.Wilderness,Contemporary,Pleasure 
                      Island
  Blue/White(MK)      TTC,Studio
  Blue/White(EC)      Studio,EPCOT Center
  Orange              River Country,Day Guest parking
  Brown                Pioneer Hall,Meadows Trading Post,Lodge/River 
                       Country parking lot,Creekside Meadows,Meadow 
                       Complex,Loops 300/500/600/800-2800
  Silver               Pioneer Hall,Meadow Complex,Creekside Meadows,
                       Lodge/River Country parking lot,Meadows Trading
                       Post,Loops 300/500/600/800-2800
  Orange               Caribbean Beach Internal Transportation


  If anyone has any questions call WDW 
Transportation info at:(407)824-6129.


C.L.Sage-Disney University(Class of '90)
[email protected]     <INTERNET>
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87.42Car/bus to park from CRJUPITR::MJUBINVILLEMon Nov 09 1992 09:337
    
         Coming from the Carribean Resort, how long does it take to get to
    the park by car? 5 minutes?  and by going by bus, where do you get the
    bus and how long to get to the park?
    
    Mike
    
87.43Car vs BusAUDIBL::SCOPAI&#039;d rather be in OrlandoMon Nov 09 1992 13:1721
    Well,
    
    By Car 10 minutes to TMK (Park in CR), 5 minutes to MGM and EC.
    
    By Bus it takes about the same time once you take off from the CBR.
    Remember that a lot depends upon where in the CBR you pick up the bus.
    
    I prefer going by car. The biggest advantage to taking the bus is that
    they drop you off closer to the main gates.
    
    Also remember what Kathy said about going from here to there. If you
    want to go to Fort Wilderness from the CBR you first have to go to a
    theme park instead of a direct route.
    
    If you are trying to decide whether or not to rent a car think about
    how your daily schedule would run, what you want to do, and then you'll
    be able to make a decision.
    
    If time is a factor then you may opt for the car.
    
    Mike
87.44GO FOR THE CAR!CUPMK::JETTETue Nov 10 1992 13:498
    If it comes down to $100 for a car - RENT THE CAR!  We wasted SOOOOOO
    much time on those busses!  I'll never go to WDW without renting a car
    - ever again!
    
    IMHO of course,
    
    Kathy
    
87.45Make that $200AUDIBL::SCOPAI&#039;d rather be in OrlandoTue Nov 10 1992 15:244
    I'll second that to $200 for the car...after all, you cannot really put
    a price on your time!
    
    Mike
87.46rent a car or stay real close inCSC32::MA_BAKERTue Nov 10 1992 17:0936
    I recently got back. I had a week staying at Port Orleans and riding the
    buses. I felt I wasted a lot of time on transportation--get to the stop
    just after the bus has left, it was 20 minutes till another came, then
    there was the 5 minutes at each stop (Port Orleans and 4 Dixie Landings
    stops) before we even started for whichever park and then about 5-10 minutes
    getting to the park. The water craft were even worse, 1 launch every 30
    minutes or so from Magic Kingdom to Discovery Island or Fort
    Wilderness. Buses ran 1 hour before park opening and 2 hours after park 
    closing. Outside of those hours, there were no direct buses to anywhere 
    except to Pleasure Island, which then became a transfer stop to other
    places.
    
    When I complained about the transportation system, I was told that it
    was, after all, off-season, and that the buses and launches run more
    often during the regular season.  This being my first trip, I have no
    idea if that is correct or not. 
    
    My 1st adventure in learning how to use the transportation system--I
    arrived and checked in at the Port Oleans and wanted to go to the 
    Contemporary for dinner...
    It took me from 6:30 until 8:45 to get from the Port Orleans to the
    Contemporary, via one bus to Pleasure Island, another bus to the TTC, 
    and Monorail to the Contemporary. Also all the entrances to the monorail
    at the TTC were closed....this is another story ;-)
    
    :-) the good point about this, I learned the whole transportation
    system the 1st evening...  :-) 
    
    I also later learned a few other short cuts--but the above was how the
    Guest Services folks told me to do it the 1st evening.
    
    I always gave myself an hour extra before anything I wanted to do. 
    
    If I had been there for fewer days than a week, I would have either
    rented a car or stayed in one of the MK hotels. There would not have
    been enough time to waste on transportation for fewer days.
87.47Monorail HotelsAUDIBL::SCOPAI&#039;d rather be in OrlandoTue Nov 10 1992 17:2513
    I think you may be able to get away without renting a car if you stay
    at the GF, Poly, or CR. 
    
    Being on the monorail system can make up for a lot of time.
    
    I know that after a long day my family appreciated the comfort of our
    own van to that of a crowded bus...we were also guaranteed seats
    whereas not so for the busses.
    
    Comfort, convenience, time-saver.........sounds like a car gets the
    vote.
    
    M
87.48We have a car...JUPITR::MJUBINVILLEWed Nov 11 1992 09:419
    
    
       Hi,  I already rented a car, a 1993 mustang convertible, so we car
    see the outside of the parks, and go for drives in the evenings and by
    able to go to Sea World and Busch Gardens.  Its our honeymoon so we are
    going in style.
    
    Mike
    
87.49Scenic routeCV60::PETERSONWed Nov 11 1992 12:046
Take the tram from the Dolphin to Epcot. Take a scenic walk through epcot to
the Monorail and then take it to the magic Kingdom. That works well in 
reverse when the MK closes and you want to get to Epcot for that last 2 hours.
I did however find that quicker than taking a bus.

         Mike
87.50WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly DTN 293-5983Wed Nov 11 1992 12:5435
    
    Hmmm...  transportation was one of my biggest gripes.  I was going to 
    mention this in my trip report, but since it's being discussed...
    
    Back before the building boom at WDW, there was NO BETTER way to get
    around than to use their transportation.  They were masters at it and
    even made the monorail efficient to use as well as nifty to be on.
    
    Now, the transportation is unbearably slow.  I find myself in a
    dilemma.  We always have a car at WDW, but we never use it - we 
    park it and don't touch it again until we leave, literally.
    
    I've remained diligent about using WDW transportation because I always
    thought that 1) they preferred you do it and 2) since they preferred
    you do it, they would make it more convenient for you to do so.  I mean
    that's what WDW is supposed to do - make things work right.
    
    Well, after my last 2 trips, forget it.  I'm disappointed that WDW has
    not kept "transportation technology" on par with all their building and
    expanding.  It's silly that we all have to drive a car around the
    resort just to save time.  This should be a solvable problem, and I'm
    surprised it isn't a priority for them.
    
    I don't want to have to drive around to places worrying about parking
    spots.  I also don't feel like I'm "on vacation" when I go to, say, Epcot
    or Pleasure Island, and now have to watch how many beers I have at
    the Rose and Crown or the Neon Armadillo.  I want to feel like the
    whole "World" is my resort.  Now going from the Contemporary to 
    Typhoon Lagoon is like going from Sea World to Wet'n'Wild, if I feel
    compelled to "drive it."  
    
    I dunno, maybe it is just me, but part of the mystique of being at WDW
    for me is feeling like you are no longer in civilization...
    
    - Sean
87.51more questions/need answeredJUPITR::MJUBINVILLEWed Nov 11 1992 15:0114
    
     Hi,
          I have another question...
    If I was to drive from CBR to park at MGM studios, can I leave the car
    their and be able to get on the monorails to see every attractions in
    WDW?  like be able to go from MGM, Epcot, MK, then Pleasure Island,
    and Typoon, all those places by monorail?  and if we went to Pleasure
    Island at night to party and lets say it closes at midnight, would I
    be able to catch a monorail or bus to the parking lot?  Can you drive
    to every attraction in WDW? like leave CBR and drive to Pleasure
    Island?
    
      Mike
    
87.52rent a carIMTDEV::GULLIKSENLonging to be at WDWWed Nov 11 1992 15:2629
    When I went in July 1989, I stayed at CBR and had a car.  The bus
    transportation was pretty slow because of all the stops.  At peak 
    times the bus was very crowded.  I used the rental car alot to get
    around.

    In October 1991, we stayed at the Port Orleans.  It was off-season but
    Dixie Landings wasn't open yet.  Even though we had a car, we took the
    buses just about everywhere we went.  There was only one bus stop so
    we didn't have to wait circle thru the other stops.  The literature
    stated that buses run every twenty minutes but we seemed to catch them
    in less time (maybe we were lucky).

    The only hassle we had was getting back in the evening.  Greg and I
    decided that the next trip we would skip renting a car.  With all the
    recent notes maybe we'll change our minds.  But the next trip is at
    least 2000 days away so lots can change by then.

    Because we went off-season last time we usually stayed at the parks in
    the afternoon.  We spent the day we went to the Hoop-Dee-Doo Revue
    at the Magic Kingdom.  Then we caught the water shuttle to Fort Wilderness.
    Yes this was a long wait.  We also spent the Polynesian Revue day at
    the Magic Kingdom for the same reason.  These minimized the transfers to
    getting back to the hotel at night.  

    I will also say that the wait at Pleasure Island to catch the bus seemed
    really long.  I never timed it but sometimes we would see several buses
    for the same location before our bus came.

    Renting a car is looking better all the time.
87.53IMTDEV::GULLIKSENLonging to be at WDWWed Nov 11 1992 16:0314
re: 12.157

	Yes, you can leave the car at one park and take over transportation
        to other parks.  However, if MGM closes at 7 p.m. you may NOT be able
        to get back there at midnight.  Maybe someone else knows for sure.

        There are two monorail routes.  One route is between the TTC and the 
        EPCOT Center.  The other route has two tracks that run between the
        TTC and Magic Kingdom.  One track has stops at only the TTC and MK.
        The other track also stops at the Polynesian, Grand Floridian, and
        Contemporary.  The monorail does NOT go the Studio, Pleasure Island,
        Typhoon Lagoon, Fort Wilderness, or any of the other hotels.

        Hope this helps.
87.54JUPITR::MJUBINVILLEThu Nov 12 1992 09:175
    
        Can I drive to Pleasure Island? Tyoon???
    
    mike
    
87.55Yes.NAPIER::HAGENPlease send truffles!Thu Nov 12 1992 09:237
>>                    <<< Note 87.54 by JUPITR::MJUBINVILLE >>>
>>
>>    
>>        Can I drive to Pleasure Island? Tyoon???
    
Yes.  Yes.    

87.56another $.02 (of a Mickey Dollar?)CSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Nov 12 1992 19:3744
    
    
    
    My opinion is pretty biased since we always stay at the cheap
    motels just west of the Disney entrance on 192 ($50/day better spent
    on entertainment, than a shower and bed).  Basically we always
    have a rent car because of this.
    
    If it's at all possible try to leave the car at the TTC parking lot
    to give you a more central place to return to late at night.  This
    can present problems when trying to do the early morning arrival at
    MGM or PI (see below).
    
    Likewise you pay for parking once (if coming in from out-of-world)
    and can park at any of the three lot's (PI and TL are free)without 
    paying again so.....it's no big deal to move the car and usually takes 
    less time than catching a bus.  With resort id, it doesn't even cost you 
    to park the first time.  
    
    Typically we found we parked at the TTC for either MK or EPCOT, and
    for TL,MGM when we went at park opening would move the car
    to TTC later that day.  The monorail has always been pretty efficient
    at getting to and from Epcot and MK.  I wish they would put one
    in to MGM, maybe even just a spur off the Epcot line. 
    
    We did ride buses a couple of times (like out to DI), but it was
    a horrendous wait for the first bus and a long ride to get there
    from the TTC.  Didn't like doing it very much.
    
    I also liked having a car with a trunk to lock things in since we
    bounced between 2 - 3 parks a day and sometimes get tired of lugging
    stuff around to different lockers or having to head all the way back
    to one park to pick up stuff left in a locker.
    
    The only one thing that ever bothered me when I moved the car
    from one parking lot to another later in the day is they NEVER
    let you get up front to park even when there are lot's of open spaces
    from people leaving for the day.
    
    
    
    
      
                                                      
87.57PArking MysteriesAUDIBL::SCOPAI&#039;d rather be in OrlandoFri Nov 13 1992 11:398
    Re: -1
    
    BOy is that true. To this day I still don't understand how I ended up
    parking in "Mystery" every time I drove to MGM. I think I made about
    8 car trips to MGM with 3 in the morning, 1 in mid afternoon, and 4 at
    night and EACH TIME I ended up in the same area.
    
    Mike
87.58Yes, get a car!TRUCKS::EVANS_WSpread a little happiness.....Mon Nov 16 1992 08:5312
My recommendation, especially to the Brits, is to get a car for the whole 
duration of the holiday.  We had a car for the full 3 weeks and would not have 
been without it for a SECOND.  That way you are free to go anywhere and eat
anywhere and you can change your mind in mid-stream.  Us Brits tend to go to
Orlando for two or three weeks and, although WDW IS the centre of the Universe,
there is SOOOOOOO much else to do which is not covered by the WDW
transportation....NASA, Busch Gardens, Universal Studios, Wet n Wild, and
millions more etc etc etc. 

IMHO!
Wendy
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87.59Rent a Car *AND* Use Disney TransportationLJOHUB::GOLDBERGLen, I Own a Piece of the MagicMon Nov 16 1992 10:2730
    Time to add my 2�,  I agree with everybody.

    I always get a car, but also use WDW transportation a lot.  Especially
    in the off season.

    Cars in Orlando are cheap.  They have the largest rental car fleet in
    the country.  I can usually find a subcompact for < $100/week including
    tax from one of the first (Avis, Hertz, National) or second (Budget,
    Dollar, Alamo) tier companies.  I won't go below that.  I won't use
    Alamo either, but that's another story.  If I have the family along I
    can usually get a full size for < $120/week plus tax.

    I can justify the cost of the car by occasionally eating and shopping
    off campus.  A trip or two to the Character Warehouse, the Olive
    Garden, or Publix, saves enough money over Disney prices to lessen the
    bite of the rental car.

    While at WDW, we use WDW transportation during the day, and drive at
    night.  Especially when going to the theme parks.  I will also drive to
    Typhoon Lagoon or the Disney Village any time.  Disney transportation
    is usually much more convenient as it drops you much closer to the park
    entrance than you can park.  In the off season, it doesn't take too
    much longer than driving, and you often meet other guests and pick up
    interesting information about what's going on.

    If I'm returning to one of the parks in the evening, driving seems most
    expedient.  There don't seem to be any parking cast around, and you can
    usually drive around the cones and find a place to park in the first
    row or two.  It is much faster to get out at park closing when Disney
    transportation is running at peak.
87.60SQZBOX::JOCONNORFri Jun 21 1996 13:159
    I am going to WDW in late August.  The other day in the mail I got
    the transportaion schedule.  It is set up by hotels/theme parks across
    the top and side, and gives the routes from one place to the other.  It
    also includes the number of the buses, etc.  I guess it was sent to me
    since I requested some additional information/maps for Dixie Landing,
    where I will be staying.  I cannot guarantee it will not change by the
    time I or any one else goes, but if someone is going over the summer
    months, send me mail (wmodev::oconnor_j) and I will make a copy and
    send it to you.