Conference koolit::disney

reply to < Note 12.0 by SAVVAH::CASS "NH's *newest* resident!" >

>    I would love any info on the hotel and
>    those "exxtras" that you get as a guest of one of the WDW owned hotels.

    Well the extra  come in really when you don't purchase a vacation plan,
    since when  you  stay on property, but done visit the parks, you resort
    ID allows you  to  have free use of the buses and trams (Vacation Plans
    which include admission already have this feature).  Also by staying on
    property  you are allowed to  make  reservation  in  advance  of  those
    staying off property, and in relation to the restaurants in Epcot, this
    means you can make a reservation at  one  upto 2 days in advance, where
    the offsite visitor can only make same day reservation.  It was nice to
    leave the making of the reservation to the quest services clerk located
    in the lobby, and have a note when you return  confirming  your  dinner
    reservation.
    
    Other extras  include  the  Marshmallow  excursion  in  Fort Wilderness
    during the summer, as well as a moonlight cruise on Bay Lake, these are
    no available to the off site guest.
    
    Other  Extra is that staying on property, you newer leave the magic and
    go  back  to the real world, the resort are nice and isolated from each
    other and there is no traffic noise ala International Drive at night.
    
    Claude

    An additional extra of staying on the property is the ability to
    charge most everything to your room and paying in one shot at the
    end of your stay.  Of course for some people this could be very
    dangerous.
    
    You can charge almost anywhere in the World, with the exception
    of counter service restaurants, and inside the Magic Kingdom.

Regarding reservations, once you have a confirmed on-site reservation,
you can make your reservation for the Hoop-dee-doo or Polynesian Lua
meals/shows.

Keep your reservation confirmation receipt.  When my family went in April, 1985,
we had made Hoop-dee-doo reservations in May, 1984 but when we went to get  the
actual tickets, there was no record of the reservation.  Once we showed the
person the confirmation receipt, they were very courteous and apologetic and
we received our tickets.  I haven't made a reservation for the meal shows
recently, I assume they still send confirmation receipts?

peter

reply to < Note 12.3 by TLE::KARAM >

>I haven't made a reservation for the meal shows
>recently, I assume they still send confirmation receipts?
    
    Peter
    
    Actually they  don't  give  you a receipt for the dinner shows just the
    lodging, you are  responsible to write down the confirmation number for
    the dinner show.  Also  whenever  I  booked  the actually vacation plan
    I wanted (seperate from reserving the room  for  the  date  you want) I
    would reconfirm my dinner reservations.  Note that the earlier you book
    a dinner show the better seating you will get  (first come first serve)
    since they assign you your table when you book. However  if you need to
    alter the number of people going you could end up with a table  in  the
    rear.
    
    Claude

    
    About two (2) weeks ago, I made two reservations for Luau and two
    for Hoop-d-doo. I "received" confirmation tickets a week later,
    each with separate reservation numbers.
    
    I was also told that reservations are no longer needed for Character
    Breakfasts. It's first come first serve now.
    
    Mark
    
    

rep to < Note 12.5 by GENRAL::HIMES "Close Encounters of the Disk Kind" >

>    About two (2) weeks ago, I made two reservations for Luau and two
>    for Hoop-d-doo. I "received" confirmation tickets a week later,
>    each with separate reservation numbers.

    Well they  must  of changed their system, back in '84 and '87 all I got
    was the receipt  for the Lodging, none for the Hoop-Dee-Doo, Top Of the
    World, Polynesean Review or the melvin the Moose Show.
        
>    I was also told that reservations are no longer needed for Character
>    Breakfasts. It's first come first serve now.
 
    This was the case  for  the  Character breakfeats at teh Polynesean and
    Contemporay for quite a while now  since  it  was  just a buffet and no
    specific seating time, it it also for  the  Melvin  the  Moose  show at
    Pioneer Hall and the Character Breakfeast at the Empress Lilly?  (these
    two had 2 seating each morning.
       
    Mark
    
    

reply to < Note 12.0 by SAVVAH::CASS "NH's *newest* resident!" >

>    I would love any info on the hotel and
>    those "exxtras" that you get as a guest of one of the WDW owned hotels.

    Also another benefit in  staying  on site, is that if you have your own
    car or  rental,  by  showing  your Resort ID, your allowed to use roads
    that the general  public  doesn't  have  access to, thereby saving some
    time/hassles.
    
    For example, the shuttle bus  route  from  the  Villa's to either FW or
    MK., take Buena Vista Drive to  the back (Cast member) entrance about a
    half mile past Community Drive (road where  most of the Villa's are off
    of) on your left, show your resort ID  at  the  gate  and  turn left on
    Vista Boulevard and after a mile or so, Fort Wilderness will be on your
    right  and continuing on, you'll exit onto World Drive just  after  the
    toll booths you get the idea.  What neat is by taking this route you go
    by  the  WED  offices   (the  design  arm  of  Disney),  the  telephone
    communication  building,  Laundry  and assorted  other  buildings  that
    support the functions of WDW, of  course you can't just go in these but
    it neat to see the areas behinh the magic.
    
    Claude

    I had reservations for the character breakfast at the Polynesian
    (which is much better than the one at the Contemporary) and I'm
    glad I did.  There were "tons" of people there and I walked up gave
    them my name and was in 5 minutes later.  Check into it, anytime
    you can make reservations at WDW it's a good idea.  

    I noticed in one of the previous notes... receipt of confirmation
    to the Hoop-de-doo review and Polynesian Revue... All I was given
    was a number and told that we could pick the tickets up when
    we arrive at the hotel (Polynesian).  Should we have received
    a "hardcopy"?
    
    Also,  all this talk about food... (not the right note, but..
    
    One of the items that intrigues me is the French Toast and bananas?
    
    Anyone have this, is it worth it?
    
    Can't wait to go in June.  FIRST VISIT!!!!
    
    Carla
    

    
    re .9
    
    Well, I just made my reservations for Hoop-d-doo and the Luau just
    a few weeks ago and received my "hardcopy" confirmations last Saturday.
    
    Not sure when you made your's, maybe they changed just recently.
    Give the central reservations a call-back and mention that a friend
    just got "their" hardcopy confirmations. 
    
    Granted, this is not the same as it was in '86. At that time, when
    I made reservations, I also was told the "reservation numbers" over
    the phone and did not receive hard confirmations.
    
    But then in 86, you could also make Character Breakfast reservations
    and get reservation numbers, and No-waits on the day of the
    reservation. This time, (2 weeks ago), its first come, first 
    serve !
    
    Mark
    
    

    The Carribbean sounds wonderful! But does anyone know how the price
    compares to some of the other Disney Hotels? I've been 7 times to
    Disney, and each time is better than the last!
    

    December is a great month to go.  Don't expect hot weather but as
    long as you go before Christmas vacation there aren't any crowds.
    
    The weather is similar to New Englands autumn (sweaters and light
    jackets).

< Note 12.11 by SALEM::WHEATLEY >

>    The Carribbean sounds wonderful! But does anyone know how the price
>    compares to some of the other Disney Hotels? I've been 7 times to
>    Disney, and each time is better than the last!
    
    I believe that when it opened last year the prices were from
    $65 to $85.  It is only serviced by the WDW bus system.  

>>>    < Note 12.9 by WMOIS::C_JALBERT >
    
>>>    One of the items that intrigues me is the French Toast and bananas?
    
>>>    Anyone have this, is it worth it?
    

They serve a form of French Toast whose center is hollowed out and filled with
bananas, with a crispy cinnamon outer layer.  It is out of this world, but not
for those on a diet.  We always get it at Tangeroa Terrace (at the Polynesian
Village).

By the way, they sell a "Mickey" cookbook at most of the shops with recipes of
the favorite dishes at WDW.

--Jay

    We are thinking of staying at the Carribiean resort this Oct.  Has
    anyone stayed there?  Is it open yet?  If so, what does it offer,
    lets say compared to Ft. Wilderness, etc.
    Has anyone made reservations? can I still get reservations??
    Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
    
    Thanks
    Frank

rep to < Note 12.15 by SWSCHZ::KILSDONK "AI vs Natural Stupidity" >
                       -< need more info on this resort >-
>    We are thinking of staying at the Carribiean resort this Oct.  Has
>    anyone stayed there?  Is it open yet?  
    
    Yes has been open since last Oct.
    
>    If so, what does it offer, lets say compared to Ft. Wilderness, etc.

    Offers,  swiming  (2  htd.    pools)   ,  rental  canoes,  paddleboats,
    sailboats,  5  snack  bars  (no  full  service   restaurants).    Other
    activities avalable at the other resorts.

>    Has anyone made reservations? can I still get reservations??
>    Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
 
    yes many  people have made reserv., and stayed there to date, see other
    notes on resorts.    As  far  as  can  you still make reservations, try
    calling the MKC # once you selected a date to see if you can.
    
    Claude

    Some friends of mine just returned from a short vacation at WDW,
    in which they stayed at the Caribbean Beach Resort. 
    
    	Comments: The place was beautiful, with all the amenities of
    		  any other WDW hotel; each lodge grouping has its own
    		  pool, plus a main pool for the whole complex, large
    		  playground for the children, biking trails, etc.
    		  And the price was great! $65.00 per night. The only
   		  differnence they noticed between this hotel and the
    		  others, was that the rooms were smaller...I can live
    		  with that...I mean, how much time does anyone spend
    		  in their room while their in Disney World anyway????
    
    	Whoever is going, I know you will enjoy your stay.
    
    
    		JJF...
    

    We will be making our 14th trip to Disneyworld in November.
    We have stayed at every hotel excluding Polynesian and Fort
    Wilderness.  Of course we haven't made it to the Floridian
    (big bucks) either.
    
    We have reservations for the Carribean Resort in November.  Any
    hotel INSIDE Disney is super.  Once you stay INSIDE, you never
    want a hotel outside.  Carribean Resort prices are $65 for parking
    lot view, $75 for garden view and $85 for pool view.  Once you make
    your reservation, they will send you a brochure.
    
    We have never had problems making hotel reservations.  Although
    the sooner the better.  If they don't have what you want, take 
    another reservation elsewhere and call back in a week and see if
    you can change.  If not, in another week.  Reservations change
    daily.
    
    If you love to camp, Fort Wilderness is for you.  But it is "off
    the beaten path".  DOES ANYONE ELSE AGREE?
    

    Note that for 1989 the 20% off season Magic Kingdom Club discount
    does not apply to the Caribbean Beach Resort.  I guess they figure
    it is cheap enough already.

    ref .16-.19  Thanks for all the info.  We made our resevations for
                 the caribbean last weekend for late Oct 89.
    ref .18      The prices have gone up, they are now $69 parking lot
    		 85 for courtyard and $95 for Pool/beach view.
    
    I guess it pays to reserve early, to get the best rates
    
    Let's see, the last Thusday in October 1994 should be about the
    time my kids have off for teachers conferences, I better reserve
    now and lock in the rates.  ;^)

rep to < Note 12.20 by SWSCHZ::KILSDONK "AI vs Natural Stupidity" >
    
>    I guess it pays to reserve early, to get the best rates
>    
>    Let's see, the last Thusday in October 1994 should be about the
>    time my kids have off for teachers conferences, I better reserve
>    now and lock in the rates.  ;^)

    Sorry, but  it  only  pays  to  reserve early to guarantee you get the
    date's you want.  When it comes time to book the plan, and Disney only
    let's you book the plan when the vacation  plans  for  the year you are
    reserving for comes out, you end up paying the  current  vacation  plan
    rates for the year you go.  So in reality  you  can  only  get the best
    rates for the year by booking your vacation plan as soon  as  they come
    out (ie.  if you go in November book in January) in case they decide to
    raise vacation plan rates later in the year (which I never seen them do
    yet, however I have seen them rate lodging rates
    
    Claude

    In January of 88, I booked our reservation for December, 88.  When
    I made the reservation, the price quoted was $216.00/night.  Around
    May I received notice that the Florida Hotel taxes had gone up,
    and the cost of the room would now be $218.00/night.  Later on in
    the year, I think August or September, I received another notice
    that the rate would now be $235.00/night.
    
    Claude is definately right, you only reserve early to get the hotel
    you want.  The price can change at any time!

rep to < Note 12.22 by MAGIC1::FORTIN >
    
>    Claude is definately right, you only reserve early to get the hotel
>    you want.  The price can change at any time!

    Yes but if you  had  booked  the vacation plan in January as well (plan
    prices  come  out  mid December, and vacation plan rate  increases take
    effect the following Jan.  1st) and made a partial  payment I think you
    get locked in, I have yet to see vacation plan rate  increase  over the
    course of a given year (just in December for the new year).  If however
    you book a room but don't plan to purchase a vacation plan and pay  for
    room, admission's, meals etc  seperately  as  you go, then you will get
    hit with any increases.  You just can't book the vacation plan when the
    time of booking and arrival are  not  in  the same calendar year.  (not
    sure how they handle booking a plan late in the year with arrival early
    January?)
    
    Claude

    Last summer, I made reservations for lodging for this summer 
    at WDW.

    In December, I received the news of the 1989 rates.  I also
    received a letter stating that the rates would NOT be increased
    again.  The only way I would have to pay more is if the taxes
    were increased.  

    But if I make a change to the reservation, such as change the
    arrival date, then I will have to pay for additional rate
    increases.

    mis

    
    We have reservations at the Carribean Beach Resort, Garden View...
    
    A few questions:
    
    - I understand that this Hotel has several different "themes"...like
      different islands...can anyone comment on the differences?
    
    - Since this is a new Hotel, are all the facility bugs worked out
      yet?  Does the air conditioning system work?  Are the TVs connected?
      Etc., etc.....
    
    - How easy/effecient is the bus service  to use? How far is it from CBR
      to, say Epcot or some Monorail station?  Would it be easier/faster
      to use a private car to get to Epcot or MK, than bus?
    
    - About the breakfast menu:  Much variety available?  OR is the
      menu geared to the theme of Careibean Islands?
    
    - Lunch/Dinner:  I've heard that the CBR has a large open restaurant,
      actually, cafeteria style...any comments on the
      food/selection/prices?
      
    
    Thanks, Dick
    
    

re: Note 12.25                   
ANT::COLES                                           
     
    We have reservations at the Carribean Beach Resort, Garden View...
    
    A few questions:
.
.
.
>    - How easy/effecient is the bus service  to use? How far is it from CBR
>      to, say Epcot or some Monorail station?  Would it be easier/faster
>      to use a private car to get to Epcot or MK, than bus?
    
	Last year we stayed in FT. Wilderness for a week.  After the 
	first day our 3yr old knew which buses we needed to take to get to 
	the Transportation Center, etc. etc.  The system is easy.  
	Our first impression was that it was going to be complicated.  
	Such is not the case.  Use the transportation system, you'll 
	enjoy it.

	Bryan
    

    We spent 5 days at the Carribean Beach Resort at New Year's. The
    rooms are very nice. There are a number of complexes, each with
    its own theme. The themes are Carribean Islands. Each Complex has
    a pool and laundry area. The main building has a shop, game room,
    and food service. The food is all self service. You can get Pizza
    delivered to your room. However, if you are close enough, you can
    order it ans pick it up. 
    
    Behind the main building is the main pool, which includes a water
    slide. There is also an outdoor bar.
    
    In addition, there is a lake where you can rent boats.
    
    The bus system is wonderful, there are a number of different buses
    depending upon where you are going. They tend to run every 15 to
    20 minutes.
    
    The only problem that we had was with the maid service, given that
    the resort is new and the time that we were there, I guess that
    one can live with a few problems. 
    
    By the way the Carribean Beach is right behind the Countries in
    Epcot. In fact you can see the Fireworks at night from the Main
    pool.
    
    Ken

    We have reservations at CBR at the end of August this year.  We
    got information about CBR from Disney World Reservations thru the
    mail.  We stayed at the Polynesian 2 years ago on our honeymoon
    and loved it!!!  We are trying to take advantage of the reasonable
    rates at CBR b we are concerned about it being super crowded since
    the rates are so cheap. Yet from our brochure on all the Disney
    World Resorts, it says at the CBR the lake alone is 43 acres while
    at the Polynesian, the whole resort is only 23 acres.  CBR must
    be BIG!  I'm sure the atmosphere isn't as elegant as the Polynesian,
    but for 1/2 the price, I'll VISIT the Polynesian when I need
    atmosphere!
    
    We are looking forward to our stay at the CBR!!!  Any and all
    information on the resort is welcome!  
    
    FYI - Our travel agent called the CBR last week and they said their
          rates are now $85/night for Garden View and $95/night for
          Deluxe Garden view.  They told her those were the only 2 rates
          they offer.  The difference between the two is in the Deluxe
          room, you would be looking over the lake and in the Garden View
          you are looking towards other parts of the hotel resort.
    
    HAPPY VACATIONING AT WDW!!!!
    
    Kim

    
    
    The CBR charges $12 per person per night for more than two adults
    in one room, so the basic parking lot view room ($69) with 4 adults
    in it would cost $93. What age is considered adult? 18?

        

    Re: .29
    
�   What age is considered adult? 18?
                    
    Child = 3-9   
    Junior = 10-17
    Adult = 18-??

    I am planning a trip in December stay at the Caribbean beach Resort?
    What method of transportation is used to get to MK,Epcot and MGM
    Theme Park? Also, is there babysitting at CBR? Thanks!!

rep to < Note 12.31 by HOCUS::VONROSENDAHL >

>    I am planning a trip in December stay at the Caribbean beach Resort?

    Is this  really a question on whether this is a good place to stay?  if
    so I have yet to hear anything bad about the place (this will be one of
    my choices when I go in '92)

>    What method of transportation is used to get to MK,Epcot and MGM
>    Theme Park? 
    
    If you mean from the Carribean Beach Resort, WDW transportation will be
    the busses only, there is  no  Monorail  connection  at  the CBR, and I
    don't beleive it is conveniently connected by canals etc for boats like
    Fort Wilderness is to the MK.
    
>    Also, is there babysitting at CBR? Thanks!! 
    
    Yes see note 22.23?, they provide in-room  baby  siting  service at all
    the WDW owned resorts.
    
    Claude

    I just booked the Caribbean Beach Resort for next April 20th - 
    29th.  We are staying 9 nights there, I can't wait.  303 Days to
    Go!  When I called to make the reservation they told me I could
    not use my MKC Card because it was during their high season and
    you cannot use it then.  They have 3 types of rooms:  The pool view
    at $95.00 a night, the landscape view at $85.00 a night, or the
    parking lot view at $69.00 a night.  We opt for the landscape view
    which came to $92.50 a night with tax.  They require you to pay
    for one night's deposit to ensure everything.
    
    They also told me that these rates were the 89 rates and that the
    90 rates might be higher and I would have to pay the additional
    fee.
    
    FYI the lady on the phone said that all 3 types of rooms were still
    available but they were filling up at a moderate speed.  She said
    they expected to fill most rooms before August because April
    is considered their busy time.  

    We stayed at the Caribbean Beach Resort in May and it was very nice.
    The only problem that I had was that the beds were REAL FIRM!  Also,
    since our 2 little girls were sharing a bed, I was afraid that 
    they would fall off the bed (the bed is somewhat high off the
    floor) but that never happened, thank goodness.  The hotel also
    had some nice touches, like thick towels, little bottle of shampoo
    and soap with the mickey mouse logo, etc.
    
    Also, while we were there they were still doing construction (Aruba
    and Jamaica are suppose to open up this fall.)  One thing I would
    advise is not to eat at the food emporium since it is really just
    a fast food place and the food is not all that great.  For the 
    price that you pay at the food emporium, you would do better to
    go to the Red Lobster restaurant at the Crossroad (?) Mall
    (it's not too far from the hotel), especially if you have kids
    with you since the value is pretty good.
    
                                                      Jean

    The information on this hotel in the Magic Kingdom Club brochure
    states that the room accomodates four people. I would like to know
    if this is enforced as I have three children ages 5 , 7 , 9 and
    would like them in our room with mom and dad. As it is at least
    the youngest ends up in bed with us now on occasion !!!
    
    

    There shouldn't be a problem.  The rooms have two queen sized beds,
    hence are accomdations for four Adult-Sized bodies--I don't think that
    Mike and Mickey will make the 5yr old get his own room.. :-)
    

    RE: 12.15, 12.26
    
    According to everything that I have read, the CBR rooms have 2 double
    beds, not queen sized.
    
    My kids are 3,5,7 and I considered staying at the CBR.  However, to be
    comfortable, I decided that I would need to get two ajoining rooms
    which is more expensive than the single room I will be getting at the
    Polynesian.
    
    /Jim Pappas
    
    

    Just a quick question.
    
    I hear all these rates ($69-95) for the CBR and I'm confused.
    
    In the MKC brochure I'm looking at right now it shows the 1989 4-night
    plan to be $285/per adult for 2 adults. That's $570 for 4 nights or 
    $142.50 per night.
    
    This deal includes 4-day passes, a dinner, and some other things.
    
    If you purchase a 4-day pass in the Disney store at the Peasant Lane
    Mall you would probably spend about $90 for each one. Combine that with 
    a mid-priced room at about $80 a night and instead of spending $570 for
    4 nights you spend maybe about $500.
    
    Does this sound correct?
    
    The big question...when you book a room are admissions to the park
    included? Can you book a room at a different rate if you already have
    tickets?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike_who_is_a_long_295_days_away

    When a hard analysis of the various Vacation Plan's is done one will
    find that they, often, break out fairly close to individual purchase of
    the included features.  Of course a good, expensive dinner or show for
    free can tip the odds more to the plans and there is no headache of
    need to pull out much more than your resort Id but the price diff
    doesn't seem to be overwhelming.
    
    The plans aren't really negotiable though.  You either follow the pland
    as its laid out (4 nights, 4 days admissions, 4 b/l's, 2 d's, 1
    attraction, etc..) or not.  If you already had admissions to the park
    it would probably be best to purchase everything else seperately and
    pay just the room cost.
    
    George
    

    Assuming you are talking about the Caribbean Magic Package, here is the
    breakdown:

    4 nights at the CBR @ $65		$260.00
    2 x 4 Day Passport 			 184.00
    2 x Dinner				~ 90.00
    2 x Fun & Sun			~ 20.00
    Birnbaum Guide			  10.00
    2 x Gift Certificate		  20.00
    					-------
    					$584.00
    		Tax			  21.80
    					-------

    Value of Package		       ~$605.80

    Cost of Package 2 x $285		 570.00
    					-------
    Package Savings			~$35.80	
     
    As stated in .39, minor savings.  Of course, if you manage to blow out
    the dinner...

    Here is a cost comparison for a week at WDW for 4 people using a MKC
    plan and not using the plan.
    
       7 nights @ $65 - 85 per room = $455 - $595 
         4 (5-day) tickets @$112    = $448   $448
                                      ----   ----
       Total cost (not including tax) $903   $1043
    
      According to my Magic Kingdom Guide the same trip under the 4-night
      plan would run:
    
                    Room  $285 - $329 per adult
                    Jr.   $139 - $139 per junior child
                          $ 65 - $ 85 per room per extra night
       
    
    
           Room 2 adults @$285-$329 =  $570 - $658
                2 jrs.   @$139-$139 =  $178 - $178
          3 extra nights @$ 65-$ 85 =  $195 - $255
                                       ----   ----
                           Totals      $943   $1091
    
      Now subtract the ticket value  - $448   $ 448
                                       -----  -----
      Price of room/extras - tickets   $495   $ 643
                        cost per day  ($ 70) ($ 92)
    
                         
                          Non-Plan     $903   $1043
                          Plan         $943   $1091
    
                     
                         
       So for an extra $40 you get over $100 worth of "activities".
    
       You can't lose whichever way you go.
    
       Assuming my math is correct this illustrates that the two ways of
       going are super close and there are advantages to both.
    
       Those who can purchase their tickets before going down to Fla. can
       opt for the non-plan and not worry about that extra $400+ that comes
       along with the cost of the room. Or you can take advantage of the
       package plan and get those "extras".
    
       This info only holds for the CBR and reflects 1989 prices only.
    
       Mike 
    
    
    

    Oops,
    
    Sure. As soon as I enter the note in the conference I find a mistake.
    
    The cost for 2 juniors is $278 not $178.
    
    Now there is more of a difference:   non-Plan $ 903 - $1043
                                         Plan     $1043 - $1191
                                                  ----    -----
                                         Diff     $ 140   $ 148
    
    That may sway some people's decision.
    
    Mike

    A family I know called and asked if it was OK to put a 5th person in the
    room.   They were told that if the youngest is under 3yr, and can sleep
    in a crib, then it would be OK.
    

    No one has said much about the hotel as a whole. When we went in August
    it was wonderful! My only gripe is the fact it seemed like we were
    always on the bus. Even that was not too bad. If the "expert" ;^) here
    hadn't convinced my mom to take the wrong bus we could have saved ~@
    hours. Everyone lives and learns...
    
    Oh, just one more thing we Stayed in A Deluxe lake-view room. It was
    incredibly beautiful! I can't say how wonderful I felt when I woke up
    to see the sun rising over the lake; knowing that the day would be
    spent riding Space Mountin, eating Dole Whip, Being "spooked" in the
    Haunted Mansion, watching the Electric Parade, well you get the idea.
    
           I                        GOTTA                             GO
    BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
                               

My family and I spent 11 enjoyable nights, Nov 8th thru the 18th, at the
Caribbean Beach Resort in the Barbados village.  We highly recommend staying at
the CBR, especially if the nightly cost is a concern.  Our prior stays have been
at 2 different on-site villas, so we can't compare the CBR with the
Contemporary, Poly, or Disney Inn. 

****************************************************
About the room:

The room itself is not extremely roomy, but we were comfortable with it.  There
are 2 double beds which are, as someone mentioned earlier, fairly high off of
the floor.  There is a round table in the room with 2 chairs around it.  The
dresser has 3 full width drawers on the bottom and the top has 2 cabinet doors.
Behind the doors there are 2 1/2 width drawers, a storage shelf, and a TV.
Between the 2 beds there is a small night table with a telephone on it and a
remote control for the TV.  Overhead in the middle of the room there is a 
nice, efficient ceiling fan.

At the far end of the room are 2 sinks and adequate counter space around them.
If you need a roomy bath room, this is not the place for you.  The bathroom is
very small and basic, containing the toilet and tub/shower.  There is just
enough room to open the door into it.

Each day 4 bath towels, 2 hand towels and 3 face cloths are left in the room.
For use with swimming we were told to call housekeeping and request extra
towels.  We did this the first 2 times we needed towels for swimming.  After
that we left one note for the housecleaning lady, her name is on a card on
the sink counter, asking her to leave 4 extra bath towels that we could use
when we went swimming.  From that day on, she always left us 4 extra bath
towels.

We were very pleased with the housekeeping services every day.  When we returned
from our daily excursions, the beds were always made up, the rugs had been 
vacuumed each day and the bathroom/sinks cleaned.

We had a lagoon view room for 1 night and a garden view the other 10 nights.
Both rooms were non-smoking, second floor rooms in Barbados.  Our only gripe
about the room was that the toilet was very noisy after it was flushed.  We 
quickly got into the habit of closing the bathroom door after flushing.

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About the villages:

There are 5 villages that make up the CBR.  They are located around the lake,
I think it is called Barefoot Bay.  Each village has a different color for
the siding and a different roof color.  Each has its own bus stop.  The order,
in a clock-wise direction, in which the villages are arranged and the order 
in which the buses stop are Martinique, Old Port Royale (food & shops, more 
details later), Trinidad 1, Trinidad 2, Jamaica, Aruba, and Barbados.  There
is a promenade, I think it is 1.4 miles, which circles the lake proper and
passes by all of the villages except Trinidad 2.  Trinidad 2 is on one side
of the lake while the other side is currently empty.  There is a bridge over
the lake with a road passing between the 2 Trinidad villages.

A walk around the promenade is a must, especially at night.  There are benches
along the promenade that you can use if you get tired or just want to gaze off
into space. There was 1 dark region between Aruba and Barbados where you are
walking on a wooden portion of the promenade through some trees.  It appeared
that the lights on the bridge had not been installed yet.

Each village has laundry facilities, with a charge of $.75 per wash load and
$.50 per dryer load.  We bought a bottle of wisk at the grocery store, but they
do have a vending machine with soaps.  The laundry, at least in Barbados and
I'd expect the other villages, is adjacent to the pool.  There was also a soda 
vending machine in the laundry area, $.75 a can.

The landscaping was gorgeous, as it seems to be at all of the Disney facilities.
There were flowers everywhere and people watering/grooming them early each 
morning.

****************************************************
About Old Port Royale:

Inside Old Port Royale you will find the food court, a game room, and a 
trading post (gift shop), bike shop, boat yard, and main swimming pool.  If
you must keep up with what is happending in the world, there are papers
available at OPR.

Old Port Royale is nestled between Martinique and Trinidad 1, so walking from
either of those villages is fairly short.  Jamaica and Aruba are across the
lake from OPR, but don't fear, between Jamaica and Aruba there is a bridge 
across to OPR.  The bridge is also the access to Parrot Cay Island which 
has some play sets for smaller children and 3 or 4 large cages with parrots.
It is a leisurely stroll from Barbados to OPR and a longer walk from Trinidad
2.

The food court was open from 7am to 10pm, with the Bakery open from 6:30 on.
I'd assume the hours change based on when the parks open.

The food shops include:

	Cinnamon Bay Bakery - you want to fill that sweet tooth, try here
		we enjoyed the cinnamon rolls and fruit filled cinnamon rolls

	Royale Pizza and Pasta Shop - 
		we tried the pizza and thought it compared to Domino's or
		Pizza Hut.  Not many choices of toppings, I think plain cheese,
		pepporoni, and a combination

	Port Royale Hamburger Shop -
		our son tried their Caribbean burger with Jamaican seasonings
		and pineapple.  He couldn't taste the seasoning.  Our kids
		enjoyed the chicken strips.

	Oriental Cargo -
		we decided on our next to last day that this was the place
		to get breakfast from.  They had a buffet that my wife and I
		would each get and split with the kids.  We each got a coffee,
		a container of milk, a snack size cereal, a cup of fresh fruit,
		container of fresh orange juice, bacon, sausage, scrambled
		eggs, french toast, and a bisquit. I think it was $6.5 each.
		I tried their beef with broccoli, it tasted fine, what there 
		was of it.

	Montego's Market - hot and cold sandwiches

	Bridgetown Broiler - marinated broiled chicken, beef and chicken 
		fajitas and taco salad

Outside of Old Port Royale there is a bus stop.  If you are going to Typhoon
Lagoon or the shopping village, you have to catch the bus at this stop.

The bike and boat shop opened at 10, I don't know when they closed. We didn't
rent bikes so I don't know what the rates were. We did rent paddle boats, $5 
per half hour, and toobies, $9 per half hour.  To rent, you must show a resort
ID card.  They also had a couple of power boat and a few larger floteboats.

****************************************************
About the pools:

There are 6 pools in the villages with a larger pool, the only one with a
lifeguard, at Old Port Royale.  The main pool was scheduled to be open to,
I think, 12 midnight.  

They allow the use of floatation devices, but they must be from the CBR.  There
is no charge for their use, just a card showing you are a resort guest.  They
can be picked up at the boat yard across from Old Port Royale.

****************************************************
MISC:

In the evening, you can see the fireworks from Illuminations.  EPCOT is 
literally across the street from the resort.

We were happy with the buses.  There were no waits at the CBR for longer than
10 minutes.  We did get on the buses at either Martinique or OPR and not at 
the stop at Barbados. The CBR is very close to EPCOT, DISNEY/MGM, TYPHOON
LAGOON, PLEASURE ISLAND, and WALT DISNEY WORLD SHOPPING VILLAGE.  The long
ride is to the TTC.  To me, the long rides now are from the Poly, Contemporary,
Disney Inn, and Fort Wilderness.

To summarize, I highly recommend staying at the Caribbean Beach Resort.

peter

    After some six months of research, reading the entries in here, and
    talking with recent vacationers to WDW I decided last week to book
    CBR for 11 days this Summer.
    
    Thanks for all the info.
    
    175_days_and_counting

    
    We plan on staying at one of the WDW resorts this time.
    Can somebody give me a comparison of the Caribbean and the Polynesian,
    how do they differ in what they offer, how do the rooms compare
    rate-wise and appearance-wise, their food, and the different views?
    
    I want this first stay to be good!!!  Thanks!
          
    p.s.
    I've been reading about the Hoop-dee-doo, what is it?
    
    

    re: .47

>   Can somebody give me a comparison of the Caribbean and the Polynesian,

    Let me try.  I haven't stayed in either hotel, so this is based on
    information from Disney, Birnbaum, this conference, and friends who
    have.

    The Poly has the following advantages:
    
    Somewhat larger rooms (5 people).

    Adjacent to the TTC, making for easy transportation to most places in
    WDW.

    On the Monorail line for direct access to the Magic Kingdom and other
    hotels.  There is also launch service to and from the MK.

    Full Marina where you can rent all kinds of boats.

    Several full service restaurants.

    Beach, and two pools.

    Neverland club for kids.

    Concierge service available.

    Expensive: $111-$245/night/room with MKC discount depending on time of
    year and accommodations.


    Caribbean Beach Resort:    

    Transportation by bus to the rest of WDW.

    Closer to Epcot, Typhoon Lagoon, Pleasure Island, and WDW Village
    Marketplace.

    Counter service restaurants in a food court (Old Port Royale).

    Somewhat smaller rooms (4 people).

    Several pools and children's play area.

    Non-motorized boats and bicycles available for rent.

    Moderately priced: $69-$99/night/room with MKC discount depending on
    time of year and accommodations.

    I think the bottom line is that you get what you pay for.  You have to
    decide what's important to you.  There are opinions on both resorts all
    over this conference.

�   I've been reading about the Hoop-Dee-Doo, what is it?

    It is a western theme dinner show performed three times nightly at
    Pioneer Hall in Fort Wilderness.  It is, IMHO, the best of the Disney
    dinner shows.  Don't miss it.  Note 116 has lots of information on all
    the dinner shows in and around WDW.

    We have just returned from Disney and stayed two of the days at
    the CBR. We loved it.  The rooms were very nice (the beds firm as
    I like them).  There were five different sets of buildings in different
    colors (Barbados,Martinique,Trinidad,Jamaica and Aruba). Each area
    had its own pool and there was a central area (Old Port Royale)
    that had a larger pool with water slide.  Also, in Old Port Royale
    were the central Fast food places and shops as well as boat rentals.
    We rented the small one man motorized boats (they were very safe
    and even ten year olds with no boating experience could rent them).
    We felt that it was a very private resort and a great place to relax
    from all the hussle and bussle of Disney.  Each area also had its
    own private beach.  We liked it so much that it was 5:00 pm on our
    last day before we left CBR and headed for DISNEY.  We will book
    for a much longer time here on our next visit.  But as we were on
    a semi-budget we had stayed 6 nights in the Travelodge Flags
    ($29/night) before trying our first ever stay on Disney property
    ($90/night with tax for garden view).  

    Does anyone want to comment further regarding transportation from the
    CBR to TMK?
    
    I recall seeing a note somewhere saying that the bus ride was close to
    50 minutes and that the way to combat this was to drive to the Poly and 
    take the monorail.
    
    Wouldn't it be faster to drive to the Contemprary and get on the
    monorail there? Or even Epcot?
    
    Comments? Suggestions?
    
    156_days_to_go

    Rep to <<< Note 12.50 by COEM::SCOPA "The Major" >>>

>    Wouldn't it be faster to drive to the Contemprary and get on the
>    monorail there? Or even Epcot?
 
    Going by  memory  here, The Hotel Monorail loop operates in the oposite
    direction than the  TTC/MK  loop.    The  Hotel Loop run in a clockwise
    fashion, Contemporary -> TTC -> Poly > Grand Floridian -> MK, while the
    other loop goes counter clockwise.    So  it would even be more to your
    advantage to drive to the GF.    Of course this is what I remember from
    '87 and could be diferent now with the changes in busses etc.
    
    Claude
    

When last I was there (July '89) bus service from the CBR to the TTC was about
twenty-thirty minutes.  Buses ran every ten-fifteen minutes.  From the TTC 
myriad options exist including express monorail to MK, and ferry to MK.  So,
I don't think the buses are all that bad.

Warning!  The bus from the CBR to the TTC loops through the five islands and
the Old Port Royale so this may up the time as much as ten-fifteen minutes
if your at a bad stop.  IMHO, it is usually easier to take a nice walk to the
best stop in the Florida sunshine then just sit at your stop and wait.

Last disclaimer, buses can be better or worse dependant upon time.  Some of
the runs were fairly bad when we were there but the cast member said it was
because a whole new batch of trainees bus-drivers just came aboard.  Also,
with all the new locations Disney was still in optomization stage of working
the bus lines out.

George

Do all of the hotel buildings at the Carribean Beach Resort have elevators?
I realize that they're only two stories, but that's twice as many stories
as my mother likes to handle.  If there are no elevators, I'll just put in
a request for a ground-floor room.

   Gary

We stayed in Barbados and I don't remember any elevators...

    I don't recall seeing any elevators either, but you may want to ask
    before or when you make the reservation.
    
    peter

    
    I don't recall the elevators either, but I do remember seeing the
    carts the maids pushed around and unless they stay on the top floors
    in the big linen rooms they must have an elevator. (I can't see
    the maids trying to drag those carts up the stairs ;-).
    
    JP

    Martinique does not have an elevator, and I do not think that any of
    the buildings do.  When I checked in, I was asked if I wanted a ground
    floor room, or a room upstairs.  When I inquired which one was better,
    I was told the ground floor, because there weren't any elevators.  I
    choose the top floor anyway, so that I would not have anyone above my
    head making noises.  I wasn't sure this would be a problem, (and it
    probably isn't), but I did not want to take a chance, and since I had a
    choice I just took the top floor.  The maids carts are indeed upstairs
    all the time.  There is a big linen room on each floor, and the carts a
    kept there.  Being on the second floor was not a problem, except
    carrying 6 pieces of luggage in and out when we came and left.
    
    
    				Forrest...

    I know you'll probably think this is a stupid question, but I have to
    ask it anyway.  I've seen reference in most of the replies to this
    topic of TTC.  Can someone please tell me what TTC stand for??
    
    Thanks,
    Bob

    
    The TTC stands for the Transportation and Ticket Center (or is it the
    Ticket and Transportation Center?).
    
    

    re: .58 
    
�  Can someone please tell me what TTC stand for??
    
    See 89.3

    Thanks for the help IOENG::FEELEY...  Now I don't feel to tupid,
    yaknow???  8>)..
    
    Bob
                                                                   

    Since we have invited my in-laws to join us for part of our trip, 
    Saturday and Sunday nights, and are trying not to rival the national 
    debt for this trip, we are now staying in the CBR again. It was the
    only hotel where we could get a room for both parties for the necessary
    nights. Sharing a room just wouldn't work; my father-in-law goes to bed
    at 9:00.
    
    I think I have spoken with every reservation clerk in the CRO
    since we started planning in January. I feel like I should stop by and 
    introduce myself. They have all been very patient and helpful. Where 
    can I direct a complimentary letter?  
    
    One thing which surprised me, though, was that I was offered rooms with 
    king-sized beds at the CBR. Are these just in the newer (farther away 
    from Port Royal) area? I didn't know such a thing existed in CBR. 

    No, 
    I stayed at the CRB resort last may (they had just opened) and had
    gotten a room with a king size bed. I forget wich complex we stayed at
    (Jamaca?) but it was not near Port Royal.  Every thing was very good
    except there is no room service and you will be pretty hard up to get
    something to eat or drink after 12:00 A.M. 
    
    Andy  11_days_counting

    Rep to <<< Note 12.62 by GEMINI::GIBSON >>>

>    Where can I direct a complimentary letter?  

    see 179.2 for CRO address.
    
    Claude    

    did they imply 2 King size beds in each room or 1?  We had 2 double beds
    and there didn't seem to be much left over space in the room.  Come on
    folks that have stayed at CBR, what type beds did you have in your
    room? and what space did you have left?
    
    peter

I called Disney, there are either two Queens or one king size to a room.
Cribs are also available.

It is legal to have 5 people to a room if one of them is under 3.

    I had one king size bed. The room was not large, but decent.  Our room
    had a small bathroom with a bathtub/shower and outside the bathroom, in 
    an avclove, were two sinks. This was convient as you could brush your
    teeth/ shave or what not while some else showered. 
     
    There was an amore (sp?) with a cable t.v. in it (with the disney 
    channel, of course.) a chest of drawers, air conditioning and a ceiling 
    fan. 
    
    We went last year, the week of May 20. Rates were about $79 a night. We
    stayed 5 nights.   
    
    CRB is very close to Epcot and MGM. Shuttle buses run from each village
    in the CRB to each of the parks in the complex (about every 1/2 hour)
    
    The main buliding of the CRB is called Port Royal. There are a few
    shops and snack shops and a pool with a bar. Guest services are handled 
    at Port Royal. 
    
    I understand there is also a beach and boats may be rented. 
    
    Overall the CRB is very nice. It is one of the less expensive hotels on
    Disney property. I will be going back to WDW next week 8*) but I will
    not be staying on Disney property.  Although the CRB is nice, I can get 
    a very good room outside of Disney for about $30 a night, lets face it, 
    while at Disney we plan to spend as little time in the hotel as
    possible. I can not justify spending $50 more a night just to stay on 
    Disney property.
    
    Andy
    

    Can someone give me the phone number to make reservations at this
    resort????
    
    Thanx,
    Mel

    Well I finally convinced my husband that I really needed!!!! to go to
    Disneyworld again this summer.  He said after we came home last August
    that he wouldn't go again for 2 years.  Well..... Saturday I convinced
    him to go again in August.  We have reservations at the Carribean Beach
    Resort for August 30 - Sept 4.  We have a Delux pool/lakeside room. 
    Where I've never stayed in this hotel before (have always stayed in
    the Disney Inn or Polynesian), can someone tell me the best place to
    stay.  I wanted to request a good room (pool or lakeside) and which
    complex.  I think I would rather have lakeside than pool because its
    less noisy and more private.  Can anyone give me some pointers?  
    I did talk to the Disney Store also on Saturday and they told me about
    the new Plus passes for $135.00 which lets you in to seven places I
    think?  Anyone know anything about those?
    Thanks in advance.
    
    f

    At the CBR, the pool is lakeside, too. The only thing you can do 
    if you don't want pool noise and want to be lakeside is to ask for a 
    room further away from the pool. There are more of those than the ones
    near the pool anyway. Just a note, though: The only vending machine
    (yes, I mean ONE) for soft drinks for each village is in the coin
    operated laundry which opens onto the pool. 
    
    We also had a Deluxe pool/lakeside room. We got both, right next to the 
    pool, on the lake, in the Jamaica village, and the noise was minimal.  
    To get to Port Royale, with the restaurants and shops, most villages have 
    to take a bus. There is a bridge across the lake, though, and it was just 
    a short walk across the bridge from Jamaica. The other village with easy 
    access to the bridge is Aruba. If I were going back tomorrow I would \
    request the same room that we had. 
    
    One thing to keep in mind: there are no balconies to sit on outside the
    rooms. In CBR that is the walkway ("hall") from one room to another. 
    
      
    Linda

        We spent two weeks at the CBR.  When we had made our
        reservations, only the deluxe view rooms were available.  We
        were hoping for the cheaper room, but ended up being really
        impressed.  We had a great room and feel that it is definitely
        worth the extra $10 over the garden view.  Whether it is worth
        an extra $25 over the standard view is a tougher choice.

        I had requested a first floor room in Martinique based on
        recommendations.  I arrived early to check in and get a nice
        room.  Before going in, I was talking to the Bell Captain and
        asked if Martinique was a nice area.  He said it was one of
        the best because it was close to Old Port Royale.  Then he
        asked what class of room I would be getting.  When I told him
        a deluxe, he said his favorite was in the Aruba 5200 building
        because of the view.  He said to request a corner room because
        it has windows on two walls instead of one and offered a nicer
        view.  He also said to request a second floor room.  Then he
        got out a CBR map and showed me his favorite room (5257).  I
        went in to register and requested that particular room hoping
        it was available that day.  I was in luck.

        The view was great.   The promenade was directly in front of
        the room and we had a panoramic view of the lake with Old Port
        Royale directly across.  It was really nice to eat breakfast
        in our room watching the sunrise through the fog rising off
        the lake.

        The bridge across the lake to OPR was close to our room so
        getting there was convenient.  We really only ate there a few
        times.  We also ordered pizzas a couple of times, which they
        delivered to the room.  I followed the advice of someone else
        in this file, and bought a styrofoam cooler which we used to
        keep milk, juice boxes, beer, mineral water, pudding snacks,
        shrimp cocktails etc.  We also bought individual cereal boxes
        and ate breakfast in our room most mornings.  It seems that
        almost everyone had a cooler in their room.  The ice machines
        were almost always empty late at night (because of all the
        coolers) so I would usually load up the cooler with ice each
        morning after breakfast.

        We used most of the recreational facilities at CBR. We rented
        the tubies once ($9.00/half hr) which was fun, but they do not
        go as fast as the water sprites they have at some of the other
        resorts.  We also rented bikes one day.  My oldest daughter
        and I rode a tandem ($4.00/hr), my wife and the other two
        rented regular bikes ($3.00/hr), with training wheels for the
        kids.  The bikes are not high performance machines (just
        sidewalk bikes), but fun nonetheless for a family ride around
        the lake a few times. They have bells to warn pedestrians that
        you are coming.  The kids used the playground area a couple of
        times.  It is located on the island on the way to OPR.  We
        spent some time at the main pool at OPR because it had a
        slide, whirlpool spa, and was well themed as a Caribbean
        castle.  We used the pool near our room for short swims or for
        midnight dips.

        We had 5 of us in our room even though you could "legally"
        only have 4.  The kids (ages 4, 6, 8) took turns using the
        sleeping bag and pillow we brought along (they do this at home
        all the time anyway just for fun).   We noticed several other
        families with 3 kids so this is not uncommon.  Except for
        checking in as a party of 4, we didn't attempt to hide the
        fact that there were 5 of us.  The maids definitely knew there
        were 5 of us and left extra towels.  We also asked for an
        additional set of towels for swimming.  After that they would
        leave extra towels each day.

        For the price, we definitely thought the CBR was a great place.

        /Jim Pappas
    

    Jim, thanks so much for the wonderful information on the corner rooms
    at Aruba.  I had just received my confirmation in the mail on Saturday
    and after reading your note, I put a note on the confirmation form
    asking for a second corner room in Aruba and if available the room #
    you suggested.  So since we'll be checking in around 8-9 am on that
    day maybe we will be lucky enough to get it.

    Has anyone stayed at the Carribean Beach Resort at WDW? I have
    reservations for the spring vacation in April. Can someone give me some
    pros and cns about the place?
    
    Bob

    Bob,
    
    For my money there is no better family resort in The World than the
    CBR. First off you are no more than 10 minutes away from Epcot, MGM,
    Typhoon Lagoon, Pleasure Island, and The Shopping Village.
    
    Secondly it is very economical for an on-the-property resort.
    
    Thirdly, it has everything you need...busses to everywhere, a laundry
    room, pools, food court, activities, a store, etc.
    
    Last July I stayed at The Contemporary and later at the CBR and I found
    the CBR more enjoyable.
    
    As for the negative aspects well....some people may think it's too far
    from TMK. Also, I've heard complaints that the rooms are too small. I
    think that is a matter of opinion.
    
    I've also heard complaints about the card keys to the rooms. Some
    people like to add a key to their key chain and feel the card keys are
    easy to lose.
    
    One thing I noticed is that we came back from one of the theme parks
    one day around 1:30 and wanted to take a short afternoon nap before
    going back to the park (it was hot that day). Our room wasn't serviced
    until right after we left.
    
    Also, some people don't like the bus service. Depending upon where you
    catch the bus at the CBR you may not like the idea of standing on a bus
    or waiting 20 minutes to get to your destination because the bus has
    made stops all around the CBR.
    
    Everyone should have a car handy in case you want a little
    independence.
    
    To sum it up the CBR is probably the best deal for a family resort in
    WDW and I'm looking forward to my return...my family voted the CBR
    tops.
    
    Mike_who_hopes_to_be_making_CBR_reservations_in_6_months
    
    

    Mike, thanks for the info. we are booked to go on April 20th to the
    28th. i'm really looking forward to going again. Our last trip to WDW
    was the Xmas before last and we stayed at the Grand Floridian! That
    place is "Awesome"!!!!! I'm taking my kids with me this time, that's
    one of the reasons we are going to be at the CBR. 
    
    
    bob

    Bob,
    
    The kids will love it. Guaranteed they'll fall in love with Port Royale
    and the Food Court.
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    How about the big kids like you abd me? can we find some interesting
    things to do and see?
    
    Bob

    Heh heh,
    
    Well Bob first off we like to see a not-so-high bill at the end of our
    stay. The CBR is the best on the property deal.
    
    If you are into water sports the CBR offers many water activities
    including paddle boats and other amphibian delights.
    
    Also you can rent a bike and bike around the lagoon, visit the video
    room and play some games, stop in at the loungr for a pop or two, or
    just enjoy the sights and sounds of the pool near your room.
    
    DOn't forget, you also get the Disney channel in your room so you can
    still rest and wallow in Walt's influence when you're resting.
    
    It's a great place.
    
    Mike

Something else for the "big kids" to do at the CBR, and the little ones too, if
they want, is to take a walk around the promenade.   To me, it appeared so calm
and quite taking a leisurely stroll around the lagoon.  Also, just looking 
around at the buildings, with their different colors, and the exceptionally
well kept landscaping adds to the walk.

If you happen to be there with someone special, an evening (or early morning)
stroll could put all your troubles behind you.  My wife and I took many evening
walks and just sat on a bench along the way and gazed off into space.  The walk
also helps work off some of the food that one partakes of!

peter

    Like those Chicken Fajitas at Port Royale huh Pete?

    Has anyone recently called for CBR rates?
    
    If anyone has please post the rates for:
    
                       Pool View
                     Garden View
                Parking Lot View
    
    There usually is a $20-30 difference between the Pool and Parking Lot
    View which over a week's time could mean two extra nights.
    
    Mike

    Rep to <<< Note 12.82 by COEM::SCOPA "MAJOR" >>>

    Mike,
    
    based on my call  last  month  for my father I remember rates of $75-99
    dollors.  $89 for Garden  and  $99  for  lake/pool view.  Of course all
    that was available was the $99 rooms.
    
    Claude

    It sounds like you need to reserve well in advance to get the cheap
    rooms.
    
    HOpefully in the next 150 days I will be making CBR reservations for
    the Summer of '92. I will be looking for the least expensive room.
    
    In July '90 I paid $97/night for my Garden View. I'd be more than happy
    to pay the same (or less) for a Parking Lot view in July '92. We'll
    see.
    
    Mike
    499 days to go (I hope!)
    

    
    We are headed to WDW in a few weeks and have made reservations for a
    week at the CBR.  We will have the opportunity to choose which building 
    we want to stay in, dependent on availability, once we arrive (which
    will be around 1:00ish hopefully).  From what we've read it looks like
    staying in one of the buildings close to Port Royal is best for
    convenience to the Restaurants etc. and more importantly, could possibly
    cut down on waiting time for shuttles to the theme parks.  
    
    What we don't know is which of the buildings offer these conveniences,
    or for that matter, whether this is really a valid concern.  We have a
    garden view. 
    
    Does anyone have any recommendations?  Thanks in advance,
    
    
    cj
                                                             

    CJ,
    
    If memory serves me right I believe that Jamaica is most convenient to 
    Port Royale.
    
    Mike

    
    Martinique is the first stop for the shuttle buses (it was in Nov,
    '89).  This means it is first in the morning (you should at least
    get a seat) and drives around to the other stops (while you wait
    in the air-conditioning).  In the evening, being the first stop,
    you get off first.
    
    The stops after Martinique are Old Port Royale, Trinidad I, Trinidad
    II, Jamaica, Aruba and Barbados.
    
    Across the lake from OPR are the Jamaica and Aruba buildings.  Almost
    in the middle of the buildings is a bridge that crosses the lake,
    passing through the Parrot Cay Island (which houses some Parrots
    and some childrens play areas).  If you are in a room close to the
    bridge, that would be almost as convenient as being in the middle
    of the Martinique complex.  I'm going from recollection and a small
    map which I have in front of me.
    
    We stayed in Barbados and walked to/from the bus stop in Martinique.
    It was a stroll over to OPR.
    
    If you get there early, drive by the custom house and look around
    at the layout.  If you have time, take a walk around the (I think)
    1.4 mile promenade and check the different buildings out.
    
    peter

    Trivia Question:
    
    What color flags represent CBR busses?
    
    Mike

    
�   What color flags represent CBR busses?
    
    I don't know, I've never been kissed at the CBR.

    Smart guy.
    
    Anyways...it's orange (and white).
    
    At last count there were 25 different bus routes in The World.
    
    Mike

    We're staying at the CBR April 19th - 21st, and just received a call
    from reservations to say we have the option of staying at the 
    Contemporary for the same rate as CBR, what do you think they're
    up to.  Said it was a special, but we're not interested.

    That's a pretty good special....under $100/night?
    
    The Contemporary is very convenient to TMK, FW, and the other Hotels on
    the Monorail but the CBR has that family atmosphere which the
    Contemporary cannot match.
    
    Mike_who's_stayed_at_both_but_prefers_the_CBR

    Returned last night from a week at CBR.  It's still there.  Like living
    in a coloring book - hear a birdsong and look around for the hidden 
    speaker.  We especially enjoyed Cranium Command, Animations, Star
    Tours, Mr Toad's Wild Ride (daughters are 7 & 9) and Thunder Mountain.
    Do *NOT* go to Fort Liberty except to drink liquid pewter, though the 
    trick roper is incredible & native-american dance very good.  Great
    dancing opportunities at Pleasure Island.  Kids were very impressed
    with Top of the World Broadway Show.
    
    Reason for this reply is that I learned that if you want a refrigerator 
    in your room in CBR, just "touch" 11, and ask for one.  An alternative
    to cooler and ice in the room.
    
    Last week the theme parks were open lake, but this week MK was 9:00 -
    8:00.  It was not crowded.  Plenty of empty rooms in CBR.  Weather was 
    beautiful - 85, nice for swimming.
    
    The touring plans of the Unofficial Guide were very effective keeping
    us out of lines.  We recommend them.
    
    Went over to the coast to witness the shuttle launch - watched from
    Patrick AFB which was too far away.  We should have driven further
    north.  (We used a plan inspired by Norman S. - wide swing to south from
    WDW to avoid heavy traffic going directly east from Orlando - so started 
    north on 1A from Melbourne.  Apparently we executed mor like McLellan
    (sp?))  
    
    We did get a good look at the fiery trail across the sky into & out of 
    broken clouds, but none of the thunderous effect of being in earshot.  
    Beach there was pretty badly polluted with tar - got on our feet and 
    clothes as we played in the sand. 
    
    We are finished with Disney now, will not go back.  It was okay to do
    once.
    
    Mr Moderator - if this note belongs elsewhere, please feel free. 
    We appreciated using this conference to plan trip.

    >>>> We are finished with Disney now, will not go back. It was okay to
    >>>> do once.
    
    In the 19 years, 6 months since WDW's opening this is the first time
    I've ever heard anyone say that.
    
    Mike

    regarding the refrigerator in your room at the CBR - was there an
    extra cost?  did you get one?  was it a "stocked" refrigerator?
    
    Are refrigerators available at other resorts?  Poly? Contemporary?
    
    thanks - peter

    We called to ask about putting a few of our items into the mini-bar
    refrigerator.  The cast member offered to put a second refrigerator
    in our room for our use.  We just had a few things which we did fit into
    the mini-bar - so we didn't get one.  I brought back the info 'cause I 
    thought it might be valuable to someone via this conference.  There
    appear to be a number unpublicized features in WDW.  If you ask, you 
    receive.  But if you don't know to ask, or don't take the initiative,
    then they trust you're happy with what you have - creates a culture of 
    the insider, and enables them to keep even relatively demanding guests
    satisfied.
    
    I don't know about the other resorts, but I'd certainly ask for
    anything that would make my stay there more comfortable/convenient/
    enjoyable.  They seem determined to meet or exceed your expectations -
    so why not make those expectations a real challenge for them - I would
    not bet against Mickey's team delivering.
    
    Jack

    Re; last few
    
    We have had a refridgerator put in our room at the Conteporary the last
    two times we were there.
    
    John

    re: last few
    
    thanks - that is good information to know and file away for future
    reference.  I didn't think about asking about the availability of
    a refrigerator on my last trip.
    
    peter

    This question is for those who have stayed more than once at the CBR.
    The question is twofold. First, have you stayed in both a corner room
    and a non-corner room? If the answer to that question is in the
    affrimative then here's the second question. 
    
    Did you find the corner room to be more enjoyable than the non-corner
    room? That is, was the room bigger, did the extra window make the room
    brighter, etc.
    
    I'd like some feedback before I call the CRO and book.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike_who_has_400_days_to_go

We've stayed in both, sizewise they were exactly the same (at least
the rooms we had).  The room was brighter if you could leave the curtains
open, but then it wasn't very private.  There's a great deal of traffic
going by outside the rooms all day!  Despite this, I still liked the
corner room better (I like windows!).

Joey.

    Well I ended up booking a Standard room. I told the person at the CRO
    that I preferred:
    
               1. Martinique
               2. Second Floor
               3. Non-Smoking
               4. Corner Room
    
    Of those conditions #1 and #3 are the most important. We liked being
    the first bus stop on the CBR route. #2 and #4 would also be nice but
    not necessary.
    
    When I got the confirmation inthe mail the word REPEAT was at the
    bottom of the confirmation notice...actually is said MARTINIQUE REPEAT
    or something similar to that. Can anyone shed some light on this?
    
    Mike

    re: .101
    
>   When I got the confirmation inthe mail the word REPEAT was at the
>   bottom of the confirmation notice...actually is said MARTINIQUE REPEAT
>   or something similar to that. Can anyone shed some light on this?
    
    I'll give you a hint.  Have you visited WDW before?  Did you mention it
    when you made your reservation?  Even if you didn't mention it, do you
    think you might be in their database?
    

    Yeah the thought occurred to me that I was in their database but I
    could see them wanting to know about repeat customers but why show it
    on the form?
    
    Mike

    Rep to <<< Note 12.103 by VISUAL::SCOPA "I'd rather be in Orlando" >>>

>    Yeah the thought occurred to me that I was in their database but I
>    could see them wanting to know about repeat customers but why show it
>    on the form?

    Because as  part of their 20th anniversary, WDW is supposed to actively
    notify prior guest via a mailing  to  be  done  this  summer (I think?)
    about the activities going on for the 20th Celebration.  The idea is to
    have a year long party of repeat visitors.    I  remember  reading that
    somewhere maybe it was Hill who posted it?
    
    Claude

    My confirmations have had "REP" on them in past years as well.  Like
    many outfits in the hospitality business, Disney likes to keep track of
    their regular customers.

    Once in Bermuda we were invited to the Hotel Manager's house for a
    cocktail reception because it was the second time we had stayed at the
    hotel.  Most of the other guests were people who returned every year.

    Now who has decoded all the other little codes on the hotel
    confirmation form?

    Question:  I've been reading that the CBR Rooms are smaller than most,
    so I was wondering...  Would I be cramped in if there were 2 adults and
    two 13 year old boys in one room?
    
    Kathy Jette
    

    Kathy,
    	    If you just use the room as a base, then I think you would 
    be OK. The rooms have enough space for four people to wash (Twin 
    washbasins outside the bathroom) and dress without getting in each 
    others way. The clothing storage is just about adequate for two 
    adults and two boys (Although our friend's two 14yr old girls 
    neeeded a room to themselves for their clothing!). If the boys 
    start to get boisterous, the CBR is safe enough for you to throw 
    them outside for a while. There are plenty of pools, beaches and 
    paths, and feed them a handful of quarters and they will disappear 
    into the arcade at OPR for hours at a time. The only danger is 
    crazy English tourists wobbling around on rental bikes (But I'll 
    let you know when we next visiting!).
    
    	    If your group are friendly/close enough, you could get two 
    interconnected rooms and even out the space/storage!
    
    Mike in Warrington, UK
    (Trip Report in preparation, but only at Day 11 so far!)
    

    Mike's right.
    
    The room offers enough storage space for 4 adults. You don't need
    to take 14 days worth of clothing because there are laundry facilities.
    
    Yeah I can see you wincing but why not do laundry while enjoying the
    pool?
    
    Mike

    O.K. my reservations are set for 2 nights at the CBR. Everyone seems to
    talk about catching the bus to go to differents places on the property.
    I will have a car and am only interested in going to Epcot, Pleasure
    island and MGM. Will I be better off taking my car? Where is the best
    place to park? Will I have to pay $4 to park. I am still not sure if I
    will purchase a 4 day pass or pay as I go each day. After reading
    several hundred notes here :-) It is still kind of foggy how this
    passport works. I know it includes transportation But not sure I really
    need it. When I arrive Sun. afternoon I planned to go over to MGM to
    start my quickie vacation. Then that night go to Pleasure Island. Then
    the full day go to Epcot and see what was not there 7 years ago. Our
    last day we do not have to be at West Palm airport until 8:45pm but
    know I have to check out of the hotel by 11 so We may fill most of the
    day back at either Epcot or MGM. Does anyone think the 4 day pass is
    the best thing for me even though I may not take advantage of the
    transportation?

    John,
    
    Use the busses. They will save you time. Study this scenario.
    
    From CBR to TMK using bus:
    
    Take a bus to the front of TMK - 15-20 minutes from getting onto bus to
    hitting the turnstiles.
    
    From CBR to TMK using car:
    
    Drive to TMK...about 10-15 minutes.
    
    Pass through toll plaza.
    
    Park in parking lot or hotel lot.
    
    If in parking lot:
    
    Wait and take tram to TTC 10-15 minutes.
    Wait and take monorail to TMK another 5-10 minutes. 
    
    Total time from CBR to TMK turnstiles 25-40 minutes.
    
    If in hotel lot:
    
    Enter hotel and wait/take monorail to TMK 10-15 minutes.
    
    Total time from CBR to TMK turnstiles 25-35 minutes.
    
    You don't have to pay $4 to park.
    
    Mike
    
    

    Your use of the WDW Transportation system is not dependent on what
    admission medium you choose.  Since you are staying at the CBR, your
    resort ID will get you on the buses, launches, and monorails whenever
    you need to go somewhere.  Your resort ID will also get you through the
    parking toll booths at no charge.  Don't leave your room without it.

    Also you can save some time by purchasing you passports or tickets at
    the Guest Services desk at your hotel.  Don't forget to use your Magic
    Kingdom Club card from employee activities for a discount.  (It works
    for Pleasure Island too.)

    The ID Len is discussing in .111 will have your depart date, room
    number, and name printed on the back. Don't leave home without it.
    
    I had mine stamped "Transportation Only". These ID's can be used as
    credit cards in The World. I've seen people use them to charge meals to
    their room. 
    
    Mike

For Epcot and MGM, it may be faster to use the car.  They're both close to
CBR.  Depending on when you're going, the lines for parking may or may
not be small.  And, unlike MK, you can easily walk to the MGM entrance
from almost anywhere in the parking lot, and somewhat less easily for
Epcot, depending on where you park.  If you prefer, the trams run
frequently at both parks. 

But if you're planning on consuming alcohol at all at Pleasure Island,
take the bus.  You may as well enjoy yourself without worrying about
driving back.

   Gary

    O.k. I'm just about set to go. Got my confirmations (yes two for some
    reason) the only difference was one said no smoking request the other
    said Martinique, second floor request. So if they do not have
    Martinique, what is the next best as far as being close to
    transportation, main building, etc.? Some one mentioned there is no
    charge to get into Pleasure Island during the day. Is that so? Guess
    there is not much going on during the day.
    
    That's all the questions for today. May ask a few more before we leave
    Wed.

    Question from my wife. Do the rooms at the CBR have hair dryers in
    them?
    And I will try this one again, If Martinique is not available, what
    would be the second choice?
    
    Thanks

$99 is one of the base rates for rooms at CBR, PO, and DL.  Steep Florida
room taxes makes it $108.  The lower base rate of $85 is typically sold
out for months ahead, but they have a lot of rooms available now.  All
the hotels seem to have rooms available.  There's even signs posted around
the roads to lure you in!

Bill

        Rough Map of Caribbean Beach Resort
        "[]" represents building clusters
        Road is two-way all around except one-way to
        either side of the Custom House.

        <-- to MGM,MK   <-to EPCOT->  Disney Village -->
        =====+==========================================
             \_____________
              \ []         \   <- Custom House (Check-in)
               \____________\
                            |
              ______________|
             /  []  []      \
            /     []  []  [] \ Martinique  2101-2664
            |  Barbados    [] \
      Aruba |[]  1101-1664  []|
   5101-5664| []              |
            |[]   LAKE    [] /
            |            [] / Old Port
            |           [] /  Royale (Food, Main Pool, shops)
            \[]            |
     Jamaica \ [] []     []|
   4101-4664  \____________|  \
                           |   Trinidad 3101-3964
                LAKE     []|  / (3100,3200,3300 next to Old
                        [] /     Port Royale)
                          /

Note: There is a path over bridges and an island from Old Port Royale
to a point between Jamaica and Aruba.

    re: 115
    
    No, you must bring your own hair dryer for any of the lower priced 
    resorts. 
    
    Also, we stayed in Jamaica and liked it because it was only a short
    walk to the bridge to Port Royal. We didn't have to take the bus to
    get breakfast in the morning.
    
    Linda

We just got back from the world.
We stayed the first 4 nights at the CBR.

Martinique on the second floor seems to be the best location.
That's where we were (thanks to the recomendations here).

I did not think much of the food hall though, we had coffee there the night
we arrived and took one look at the lines for breakfast the next morning
and decided to skip it.

I'll be doing a trip report when I've got lots of time!

Barbados might be a good second to Martinique - you could still walk to
the Martinique bus stop in the mornings!

In fact I think we were closer to the Barbados pool than the Martinique pool.

    Rep to <<< Note 12.120 by KYOA::KOCH "It never hurts to ask..." >>>

>    I HATED THIS PLACE!!!

    Using your own personal name as  reference, would you care to elaborate
    as to why you hated this place?
    
    We allow reviews in the  conference  as  long as they are substantiated
    with some facts.
    
    Claude
    

    I stayed at the Yacht & Beach Club when it first opened. I walked
    through the Dolphin and agree that it is not very friendly looking.
    However, you are within walking distance of EPCOT and there is a 
    boat ferry that takes you to MGM.  They also have a bus stop for
    transportation to anywhere.  At the Y&B Club they have all kinds
    of restaurants and a neat soda shop.  You are also right near
    stormalong bay for swimming.  Dolphin is just behind the Y&B Club.
    
    I think one consideration would be which parks you are planning to
    frequent.  If you are primarily interested in MK perhaps it would be
    worth the extra to stay at CBR.  
    
    But with the Disney transportation network being what it is I would
    be tempted to stay at the Dolphin for $85.00 and spend the extra 
    money on souvenirs etc.
    
    Just my opinion.
    
    Lynda

    re: .121
    
    Sorry about be so obtuse. We were shocked at the size (SMALL) of this
    room for the price they charge. We have a week at Vistana outside WDW
    and we're spoiled. We now go down early and stay somewhere until we can
    get into the condo on Sunday. This past year we decided to try an
    on-premise resort. We stayed at the Radission outside Lake Buena Vista
    last year and had 2 KING size beds plus a room twice the size of the
    CRB room for only $69 plus tax. 
    
    The only benefit if we had know about it was that being a guest allows
    you to rent the boats in the lagoon for all day for a flat rate. We
    didn't take full advantage of this. 
    
    We were also extremely disappointed at the breakfasts offered in the
    CRB "mall". The food quality vs. the price was outrageous. Again,
    off-premise restaurants offer better value for breakfast and dinner.
    
    It looks like they are going for the profits on this one.

    It's true that the CBR rooms are small. The idea here is to give young
    families an affordable on-site hotel and for the pre-school or
    pre-teen family of 4 or less the CBR is a good deal.
    
    For those who have never been to the CBR, PO, or DL don't expect to
    stay in the "lap of luxury" when booking in these three hotels.
    
    Some of you will find the CBR to be more than what you expected and
    others will expect more for the price.
    
    The majority of those who stay come back smiling.
    
    The food court offers variety and my kids loved it. The atmosphere is
    very family-like and the food is pretty good.
    
    Remember that the CBR/PO/DL trio of hotels are to make WDW affordable.
    The price of the rooms offers young families not only the chance to
    visit WDW but to visit for a pretty good stay.
    
    Mike

    
     Does anyone know if the CBR has rooms with Queen or King size beds?
                      Is the room the same size?
         
    
        From what is being discussed, I'm assuming room size won't be a 
                    problem for 2 adults.  Will it?
    
    -dave-
    (1 WEEK TILL DISNEY,..........oh ya! till I'm married too!)
                   

    As far as I know the CBR has only twin beds. If you're looking for a 
    Queen or King the best price may be found at wither the Poly or the
    Contemporary.
    
    The CBR room size is ideal for two adults.
    
    Mike

    I seem to remember reading or hearing that a few king size beds are
    available at the CBR.  A quick call to reservation should cleaar that
    up.  And yes the room is plenty big for 2.  Just don't try an both get
    into the bathroom at the same time ;-)
    
    JP

    re: king sized beds
    
    Yes, CBR, PO, and DL all have some rooms with king sized beds. The
    rooms are exactly the same size, but it feels like more space to move
    around with the one bed set further into the room. There aren't very
    many, though, so specify your request on your reservation.
    
    Linda

	RE: last couple (king size bed)

	I stayed at the CBR Nov. '91 and was asked when I made the reservation
	if I wanted to request a King size bed.  I may be remembering wrong
	but as I remember the rooms come with 2 queen size beds and the
	reservation person suggested requesting the king cuz then there's 
	only 1 king (vs. 2 queens) so there's more space since the rooms
	are the same size ... ?  At least, that's what I understood.  So do
	call back and ask.  You can also request smoking or non-smoking rooms.

					Happy honeymoon!
					Jean

    The rooms at the CBR come in two configurations:

    	1) 2 Double beds.

    	2) 1 King Bed.

    The two room types are the same size and therefore the rooms with a
    king bed have more free space.

    The double beds are x-long and have an extra 6" in length (same as a
    queen/king), but they have the same width as a double.  If my wife and
    I were staying there alone, then we would definitely get the room with
    a king bed.  The doubles are barely adequate  (however, I am pretty big
    and feel that my king at home is too small).

    re: .124
    
    On-site, maybe, but affordable? We have been to DW 9 times, 8 in a row,
    and we found that even thought these were on-site, the value for the
    dollars was poor. 
    
    Why would you want to spend money for such a poor on-site room?
    
    Yes, the food court has variety, but again, the value for the money was
    poor. 
    
    However, please remember we are EXTREMELY jaded about poor value hotel
    rooms because of our excellent timesharing investment at VISTANA. We
    don't go there for the hotel experience, we go there for the
    amusements.

    Rep to <<< Note 12.131 by KYOA::KOCH "It never hurts to ask..." >>>

>    On-site, maybe, but affordable? We have been to DW 9 times, 8 in a row,
>    and we found that even thought these were on-site, the value for the
>    dollars was poor. 
>    Why would you want to spend money for such a poor on-site room?

    Ah, have  you  looked at comparable AAA rated hotels lately within a 10
    mile radius?
    
    All if not most of the 3 diamond rated hotels (CBR is rated 3 diamonds)
    in  the  route  192 Kissimee area are at the $80-100 range if not  more
    (minus a few exceptions).  Now if you want to stay at a Budget  6  with
    no pool/restaurant fine, but the  majority  of the better motels/hotels
    in the area cost are near,  and  don't  even offer the same ammenities.
    Note  that  Port  Orleans  and  Dixie Landings  also  have  a  sit-down
    restaurant.
        
    I have spent more money to stay in socalled  luxury  hotels at Toronto,
    Montreal, Niagra Falls Canada etc.  and though the rooms  were slightly
    larger,  they  didn't  even come close to the lush lanscaping/theme and
    other amenities found at Port Orleans.
    
    Why would I stay on-site versus a room on 192? 
    
    because of the convinience and  the  fact I don't have to contents with
    the traffic/lights/nosies/tour group found off-site.
        
>    Yes, the food court has variety, but again, the value for the money was
>    poor. 

    What are you camparing this too?  a high class restaurant?  the food at
    the food courts of Port Orleans and Dixie Landings were as I would have
    expected based on any other food court I have eaten  at other Amusement
    parks or Malls.  No I didn't eat at CBR but would expect the food to be
    about the same quality etc.
        
>    However, please remember we are EXTREMELY jaded about poor value hotel
>    rooms because of our excellent timesharing investment at VISTANA. We
>    don't go there for the hotel experience, we go there for the
>    amusements.

    Ah so  the  truth  comes  out  and  heres  the  rub,  Your  basing your
    feelings on the CBR based on timeshare ownership.
    
    Your  trying  to  compare  Apples to Oranges.    Trying  to  compare  a
    Timeshare Condo to a hotel, will always make  the condo come out ahead.
    Since  with  a  timeshare  you  have  basicly  and  apartment  (several
    rooms/baths, kitchen, free laundry  etc.)  versus a room with to sleep.
    You should be comparing your  Vistana  timeshare  ownership to Disney's
    Vacation Club and not the CBR,  chances are they be about the same once
    Disney's vacation CLub is finished.
    
    Claude

        We have never stayed at Vistana, but everything that I heard
        is very positive.  I'm sure it is one of the best time-share
        condos in the area.

        Comparing it to CBR though is not an equal comparison since
        renting a unit at Vistana costs about twice as much as a room
        at the CBR.  Last time we checked, Vistana was over
        $200/night, compared to less than $100 for the CBR.  Owning a
        unit might change the nightly cost.

        We have rented condos in the WDW area in the past, and will
        continue to do so when we have extra people with us and need
        the space.  For example, we usually invite grandparents to
        join us, and I usually pay the tab.  Since I can't afford to
        pay for 2 rooms, we rent a condo off property for about the
        same price as a room within WDW (less than $100).  However,
        when the folks leave, my family moves into a room in WDW for
        the rest of our vacation.  We would prefer to stay within WDW
        than to have the extra space of a condo.

        We prefer to stay at WDW's nicer resorts (Y&BC is our favorite
        so far), but only do so when we can snag a special rate. 
        Otherwise, we stay at one of the economy resorts.  From what
        we have seen, (CBR and PO) the CBR is our favorite.

        I agree with Claude that the CBR's atmosphere is very nice
        compared to most resorts.  The rooms are small, but the
        overall atmosphere more than compensates.  I think that it is
        about the best value in the area.

        We do not care for the food at the CBR at all.  I think I only
        ate there once. When we go to WDW, we usually eat most of our
        lunch and dinner meals at full service restaurants, almost
        completely within WDW.

        Last summer we spent 2 weeks at the Y&BC.  We ate our meals
        throughout WDW in the finest restaurants.  We spent less
        money, including lodging and meals, at WDW than we would have
        spent for lodging alone at Vistana.

    Yes, as I said, I am extremely jaded. We go for 9 days and usually only
    spend 4 days at WDW. Last year our daughter took part in one of the
    children's programs for $75, the best investment we could make. 
    
    Since we now own our timeshare, it only costs us $55/day (maintenance
    fee). Given that we have the timeshare, hotel rooms for THIS vacation
    is always a let down. 
    
    We also eat out a alot. We have eaten in many a Disney restaurant from
    Victoria & Albert to that seafood & chicken place by the haunted house.
    We feel that we get a lot of value from the World Showcase restaurants
    and the lunch style places. However, unless they make some changes, CBR
    cafeteria is not on our list...

    Are the mini-bars still present at the CBR?
    
    Mike_who_doesn't_want_one

    If you are staying at the CBR for any length of time, you might 
    want to take advantage of the 'Family Plan' for the boats.
    
    We were in the CBR for two weeks, and got into the pattern of 
    leaving the parks late morning, and doing some pool time before 
    returning late afternoon or early evening (See, we do practice 
    what we preach!!). Some friends, also with two kids, came over to 
    visit, and we decided to rent some 'toobies' for the kids (and for 
    the Dads!). I spotted the bottom line on the Rental Price board - 
    Family Plan $35. For $35 you can rent any boats (to a maximum of 5 
    at a time) as many times as you want for the duration of your 
    stay. You are still bound by the half hour at a time rule, but at 
    the end of the half hour, you can go by the desk and get another 
    slip for the next batch of rentals.
    
    That first afternoon I rented 5 toobies at one go, then 2 then 3. 
    That was 50 bucks worth in one afternoon, followed by a rental 
    almost every other day of the next to largest Flote Boat ($17.5 
    per half hour) and a tooby. I think we covered the cost 5 or 6 
    times over. At no time did anyone check whether all the users were 
    from the same family!
    
    Check it out if you have a big "family"!
    
    Mike B. (Still working on the Trip Report - Honest!)

    My wife and are will be bringing my 2 year old daughter to the 
    CBR first week in september... does anyone have any tidbits of
    information for the father of the little tyke that knows no fear
    and wants to do everything her dad does... ie is she allowed to
    come along with me on  toobies( I'm not sure I would take her but
    I'm sure she'd ask to go... ) and isn't there some sort of water
    slide right at the hotels main pool?.Will they let her use it? Any
    little sniglet of insight will be greatly appreciated. Rz

    She would probably be allowed on the tooby with you...if you can 
    find a lifevest small enough to fit her! Anyone older than 10 can 
    take one out, and you can take 1 passenger. But the cast members 
    are hot on lifevests for the smaller boats..toobies, three seat 
    canoes and small sailboats. I saw them block a tooby with the 
    lifeguard's power boat until the 14/15 yr old boy put his back on. 
    (No, you can't hire the power boat, before anyone asks!)
    
    If your daughter is the crawly/fidgety type (like mine was at that 
    age) and won't sit still for long, I wouldn't recommend the tooby, 
    or the bikes with baby seats that are also available for hire.
    
    If she can swim well, then she can use the slide in the pool at 
    OPR, but she can't go down wearing any flotation device, and you 
    will not be allowed to stay at the bottom to catch her, they keep 
    that area clear. The water is over 6 feet at that point BTW.
    
    If she's a water baby, take her to River Country or Typhoon Lagoon 
    where there are small slides and tube rides specifically for the 
    kiddies, and you can stand around to catch them.
    
    Mike B.

    She does swim, but I wouldn't expect her to be able to slide down
    a slide and swim on her own after taking the plunge... as for lifevest,
    maybe I will bring her own, she definitely would want to try the toobies
    with me. Thanks and my daughter thanks you too. Rz

    Re: previous....
    
    For us non-locals, could you tell me what is a "toobie"?
    
    Tnks,
    
    JK

    It's like a large inner-tube with an outboard motor!
    
    Tube (English) = Toob (American) - Hence Tooby!
    
    It's a little more sophisticated than that, comprising a 
    fibre-glass shell with vestigial seats, mounted in a large 
    inflatable ring of heavy grade canvas, powered by a 4/5 hp motor.
    
    Very manoeverable, not particularly fast, but safe and good fun at 
    first. After a while you find yourself wishing that the power boat 
    will come past so that you can ride over the wake for a bit of 
    bouncing and splashing. It will hold a driver and passenger, but 
    the heavier the load, the slower it goes. Not as much fun as the 
    Sprites, but OK for exploring on small lakes.
    
    Mike B.

    re:140
    
    Bringing your own lifevest or floatation devise is a no-no. We did it 
    two years ago and were told by the lifegaurd at the Contemporary that
    only the resorts lifevests were allowed.
    
    John

    I was very pleased with this hotel and would reccommend it highly for
    the price.  In my opinion Mike Scopa's suggestion of staying in
    Martinique is accurate.  If you are using the bus system - it's the
    best building to be in.  Last on - First off.  It's a very quick walk
    to the Food Court/Boats/Central Pool etc....
    
    Nice place - great for kids.
    
    Food at the food court was fine - no complaints for the few times we
    got something there.
    
    The rooms were plenty big enough for the 3 of us and had everything we
    needed.
    
    I'd stay there again.
    
    Kathy
    

    
    Hi,
    
        I have a few questions about the Carribean Resort...
    
    Does the monarail go to the Carribean, if not, how do you get to
    all of the parks (mk,epcot,mgm)
    
    Also, I am staying at the Carribean in February 93', and with all the
    books I received from disney world, I cannot find anything about the
    Carribean itself, discribing it, what's it have to offer, does it have
    bars, inside/outside, restaurant inside/outside??????   Can someone
    shed some light on this subject?
    
    thanks a bunch.
    
    Mike
    

    Mike,
    
    Since I  just  moved  your  note  to  this  topic, most if not all your
    answers are in topic 12.
    
>    Also, I am staying at the Carribean in February 93', and with all the
>    books I received from disney world, I cannot find anything about the
>    Carribean itself,     

    Hmm, the stuff  I recieved from the world sure did describe the various
    resorts etc.  maybe  you didn't wait long enough or buy the right guide
    book?
    
    Claude

    Mike,
    
    The CBR is not on the monorail. Busses (or your car) are your means for
    getting to the parks.
    
    Old Port Royale has a food court and a lounge.
    
    Mike

    Just returned from CBR on 12-1-92. Stayed in Aruba. Very Very nice!
    No complaints, just compliments.
    
                                           Doug.

    See 13.311 for comparison of CBR/PO/DL.
    
    - Skip

    We are booking a stay at CBR next year. Our daughter will be 2.5yrs at
    the time.  Are the cribs at CBR adequate for a 2 year old?  
    
    There will be 4 of us in a room. My husband, mother-in-law, daughter 
    and myself.  Will we be really cramped?
    
    No mother-in-law jokes, please (; !
    
    

    What cribs?
    
    I don't know of any available cribs.
    
    Mike

    
    
    
        Yes.  We've been to CBR twice over the last 3 years. (91 was spent
    at the Marroitt World) The first time our second son was a little over
    a year old, this year our "little girl" was 4 months. No problems.
    
       The cribs are not "full" size, but large enough for the average
    2 year old.
    
    
    
                                               have fun, Phil...

    Hello-
    
         I am going to Disneyworld in October and will be staying at the
    CBR (requested Martinique, second floor, corner room).  To save on food
    costs, we would like to buy some basic things for breakfast and
    lunches.  My questions are:  Are there any grocery stores on site and
    if so where are they?  If not, where could we go, seeing how we don't
    have a car?  Can you rent a refriderator or are there places on site to
    buy a styrofoam cooler?
    
         Thanks for your help.
    
    Diane
    

    There are grocery stores in the area, although you can buy some items
    inside at the stores, but he prices inside are expensive.  The closest
    store to CBR (and probably the rest) is Goodings at Crossroads. 
    Goodings is also a little expensive, but less than the on-property
    stores.
    
    A cooler will do fine.  I know there is a note somewhere in here that
    told of someone who requested a 'fridge and they got one!  With Disney,
    you usually only have to ask and what does it hurt to ask since the
    only thing they can say is "No" and then you are in the same position
    as you were before.  I'd say, get the cooler, but call guest svcs after
    you checkin and ask about a "cube style" fridge.  Goodings also sells
    those cheap foam coolers that you could use for the week and trash when
    you are done.
    
    Your request is one of the many reasons I usually stay at FW in a
    Trailer.  They have full kitchen facilites w/Diswasher and Microwave.
    
    Good luck,
    
    John
    

    I'll second John's comments.  The last time that we stayed at the CBR
    (which was in Martinique, on the second floor, 2400 building...) we
    found that the best combination of cost/convenience was to buy a low
    cost styromfoam cooler and groceries at Goodings in The Crossroads.
    
    You can get things closer (in Old Port Royale at CBR, at MUCH higher
    prices), and can probably find lower prices (at MUCH further distances).
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    

    Goodings surprized me by having someone to carry the bags out to the
    car!  I thought he was stealing my stuff!  
    
    JOhn
    
    
    
    	P.S.  He got out of the hospital after just one night stay! ;^)
    

    Diane,
    
    You can request a refrigerator for your room. I would call up and make
    that request NOW. It's best to have this request put on your
    reservation information ASAP. That way you have a better chance of
    having your fridge waiting for you when you check in. 
    
    I believe they'll put your fridge directly on top of the mini-bar.
    
    There is a store in the Old Port Royale Food Court. This store will be
    supplied with all kinds of things to munch and sip on and the prices,
    althought not the greatest in the world, may be close to what you pay
    at Goodings these days.
    
    Mike
      

Some CBR questions since I plan on staying there on my next trip down.

What is the best section to request a room in?

    After reading these notes, most people seem to think Martinique, 2nd floor,
corner room, is best.  Why is that?  It's proximity to Old Port Royal???
Another advantage seems to be it's the first bus stop, but I don't plan on
using WDW busses to get to and fro.
    In a note way back by Jim Pappas, I believe, he said that the bell captain 
(or some other cast member) said his favorite room section was in Aruba, bldg. 
5200, corner room.  He even said room 5257 was best.  What is so great about 
this room?  I believe Jim said he was able to get this room.  How much of a 
walk is it to OPR from here? (how big is Parrot Cay Island?)
    After looking at the CBR map, the distance to OPR from Aruba looks about the
same as from Martinique.
    Are there any other advantages to Martinique?
    Why are corner rooms better?
    I assume 2nd floor rooms are better because there is less traffic by your
door.

Isn't there a playground of some sort on Parrot Cay Island?

� �ori �

    Just some thoughts from having stayed there twice:
    
    We stayed in Martinique (on the far side from Old Port Royal in the
    2100 building) and in Jamaica (room very near the pool overlooking 
    the beach in the 4200 building). Jamaica was a a shorter walk to Olde
    Port Royal using the path through Parrot Cay and across the lake. 
    Aruba is probably the same distance from the other side of the 
    bridge. 
    
    The only place I would absolutely NOT stay is Trinidad 2 (3300-3900
    buildings). They are off the beaten track to everything. 
    
    Corner rooms have two windows instead of one and an occupied room on 
    only one side. 
    
    Mike probably has more detailed reasons for his preferences. 
    
    Linda

         Thanks everyone for the info on grocery shopping.  But, just where
    is it?  I don't know where The Crossroads is either.  Again, I don't
    have a car.  Will any type of on site transportation system take me
    there?
    
    Diane
    

    We stayed in Aruba in August 1989 and our room was on the bottom floor
    near the pool. I can't remember the room number, sorry! 
    The pool and laundry room were very convenient. 
    The walk to the bus and OPR were not as convenient. However, we would
    stay there again.
    
    Enjoy,
    Ron

    I like Martinique because it's close to the Custom House and close to
    OPR. It's the first stop for the busses and that may not as important
    in the morning as it is at night.
    
    I like the bright roof colors of Martinique. As far as a corner room or
    second floor goes, well traffic is lighter upstairs but I really don't
    notice traffic that much because when I'm in my room I'm either
    sleeping or in the shower getting ready to leave.
    
    Martinique is close enough to allow for a nice stroll to the Custom
    House to cash a Traveler's Cheque or a short walk to OPR to the Food
    Court.
    
    The CBR offers water activities that PO and DL doesn't. If you check
    some of Mike Batty's notes from 1992 you'll notice the great deal he
    got for his two weeks there...something like $35 for family use of all
    water vehicles for the length of his stay....made out like a bandit.
    
    Parrot Cay is a distance from Martinique but the grounds are so
    beautiful you really won't mind the walk.
    
    If you stay at Martinique and use your car then in no time you're out
    of the property on your way to your destination. With a car you are
    5-10 minutes from MGM/EC/TL and PI. YOu are 10-15 minutes from TMK.
    
    I had a choice of DL/PO/CBR for my last trip and my wife and I talked
    about splitting up the stay in all three but decided in the end to do
    it all at the CBR because of the atmosphere...very laid back.
    
    Mike

    Re: 12.158
    
    We liked Martinique because:
    
    	- Close to Old Port Royale
    	- First stop on the bus route
    	- Closest to the Pleasure Island evening bus route stop
    	  (the ONLY bus stop for PI at night is at the south entrance
    	   to OPR)
    	- It backs on to undeveloped land, rather than Buena Vista Drive
    	  
    Second floor because:
    
    	- Less traffic
    	- No noise over your head
    
    Re: 12.160
    
    	- I don't believe that any of the on-site transportation goes to
    	  The Crossroads, you would need a car.
    	- The Crossroads is located directly across the street (route 535?)
    	  from the north entrance to the road that runs through the hotels
    	  of the Disney Village (Hilton, Pickett Suites, etc.)  It is about
    	  as close as you can get to being on the Disney property without
    	  actually being on the Disney property, North of WDW, just West of I4.
          From I4, if you took the WDW Shopping Village exit, headed on the
    	  public road (I535?) toward the WDW Shopping Village and hotels,
    	  but instead of turning left into the WDW property turned RIGHT,
    	  you are in The Crossroads.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
                                                      

    I just booked my reservations at CBR and have reserved a deluxe water
    view room. Can anyone give me some advice as to which area will give me
    the best view ( ie. Martinique, Barbados, etc.). And whether a pool
    view or a lake view is nicer. We have a 2 yr. old with us, but would
    also like some quiet time while we are in our room. Any sugestions are
    much appreciated.
    
    Also, is this money for the upgraded view worth while.
    
    thanks
    Eric
    

    We have stayed in a deluxe water view room in Jamaica. Any water view
    room will be able to see the lake; the pool view will be able to see
    both. The pool tends to be noisier; not that many people use the beach.
    We had a room one down from the corner on the seocnd floor (#4246) with 
    two double beds and liked it. It was a very short walk to the pool, but 
    we couldn't see it and weren't bothered by the noise. There was a peaceful 
    view of the beach and lake. The stairs were beside the room next door,
    and the path around the lake was only a few feet from the bottom of the
    stairs.  
    
    
    If you are planning to spend more time in your room than showering and
    sleeping it is probably worth it for the extra money. We found it more
    relaxing than a parking lot or garden view room. 
    
    Linda 

    From reading the previous replys on this note, it seems that the place
    to get is in Martinique on the second floor and a corner room. Would
    this give me a good view of the lake and is it near the beach. I cannot
    seem to get a good feel of the layout from .117 to tell which bldg
    would give me the best view yet still put me in a good position for the
    bus stop and Port Royale. If someone could explain how the grounds are
    layed out and better describe where the beach and lake lie and how the
    bldgs surround the water I would appreciate it.
    
    	Perhaps a recommendation of bldg and room if anyone has had the
    same accommodations that I am booking . I appreciate .165 ! Does anyone
    else have any personal experience??
    
    thanks
    Eric
    

    The last time we stayed at the CBR there was no swimming allowed
    in the lake. So, we only utilized the beach for some photos.
    
    Ron             

    Sigh, this is my first day back to work after going on the Big Red Boat
    and then 3 days at Disneyworld.  We stayed at the CBR in Martinique on
    the second floor (room 2261) - it was a corner room.  We just had a garden 
    view, but the lake was right around the corner.  They had a portion roped 
    off that you could swim in.  They also had a jungle gym for the kids to 
    play on.  In our building it was closer to go to the pool for Barbados than
    for Martinique.  At the center of the hotel they also had a big pool with a
    castle and water slide in it, and in the middle of the lake they had an
    island with fun stuff to do on it.  To be honest with you, we weren't
    ever around the hotel long enough to go on the little island though. 
    It was also pretty cold, so we didn't go in the pool (while it was the
    blizzard of the century up in the northeast and all, we had tornadoes
    in Florida!!).
    
    Another good thing to keep in mind - you can use your Magic Kingdom
    Club card at the store there!
    
    Sigh - wish I was still there!
    
    Barbara
    

    I called the CRO to get the latest on price ranges for the CBR.
    
    As of 6/25/93 prices range from $85-115 (not including taxes).
    
    Add 10% for tax.
    
    Mike

    Thought I'd put this in here for those who have never stayed at the
    CBR, PO, or Dixie Landings.
    
     - There is a $12.00 charge for each third and fourth adult in the same
       room at any of these three resorts. I assume this applies to the
       rate.
    
     - There is no charge for children 17 and under if they occupy the same
       room with their parents.
    
     - I'm sure everyone knows that these three resorts allow a maximum of
       four in a room. All other hotels have a 5-person limit.
    
    Mike
    
    

    
    Mike,
    
    The rates that are quoted for the CBR, PO and DL, are they person or
    per room, with two adults.  Following your advice, I'm trying to list
    my costs, if purchased separately or using a package deal to see what
    is best.  I thought using the Family Fun Package was the best deal of
    the packages for our purpose, but I want to compare it to getting the
    hotel separately and buying a 5 day super duper pass.  Any insight??
    
    Thanks for the other suggestions, I have been up and down this file,
    reading and trying to understand, but sometimes thing just don't make
    a whole lot of sense.  Sorry if I have asked redundent quesions.
    
    Alan

    Alan,
    
    First decide on how long you want to stay.
    
    Use whatever literature you have to figure out what that will cost you
    on the Family Fun Package.
    
    List line by line what that package gives you.
    
    Call the CRO and find out what your rates would be for the same amount 
    of time. I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that you can expect to
    pay around $90-95 (before taxes) per night at the CBR, PO, or DL 
    resort.
    
    I think the packages include a "Be Our Guest" Pass which you may not
    find very convenient since you usually end up having one more day left
    on the ticket because it's a travel day (Book early flights into
    Orlando and late flights out of Orlando.).
    
    Also, be wary of special things like "Fun 'N' Sun" specials which may
    require you to do some activities (golf, tennis, boating) that you're 
    really not interested in nor want to spend $$$$ on.
    
    Keep this in mind as you do your comparison...when you book a room in
    a la carte mode you know how much you are paying per night. When the
    room comes with a package you REALLY DON'T KNOW how much the room is 
    costing you.
    
    Another tidbit of information, this conference has been around for
    about four years and we are seeing less and less people use these
    vacation plans....so check them over carefully.
    
    I hope others can provide some insight along with me 'cause it helps to
    have more than one opinion in here for Alan.
    
    Mike

    Alan,
      I prefer the world vacation package. I'm the type of person who
    likes to pay for everything up front and know what it's going to
    cost me. The big thing for me is that I feel very relaxed and "special"
    when I go on the package. I never have to worry about what I order
    for meals and I never have to say "we can't afford it". Especially
    with three teenage kids who love the water activities. I can honestly
    say that we USE the "Extra's" like the boats and the "Wonders of Walt
    Disney World" learning programs. My kids have really enjoyed these
    programs. My husband takes advantage of the fishing excursions. 
    
    
    Here's an example: My husband called down to make our Victoria and
    Albert's reservations. The reservationist said, "Do you know how
    expensive it is to eat here?" my husband, "Do you still take the
    GOLD Key Card?" reservationist, "Yes sir" My husband, "Then I don't
    care what it costs." 
    
    In the past, there were separate gates to enter the park if you had a
    GOld Key card. (usually a lot less crowded.) The way we do it is to get
    an extra night the day before our package begins and the day after. 
    Before we go off the package we get tickets for typhoon lagoon, and use
    them relaxing in the sun our last non-package day and fly out that
    night. This gives us even more bang for the buck. 
    
    I know people say the package isn't worth it if you don't use the
    activities. I just know it makes my vacation a truely relaxing time.
    FYI - We have saved up all the slips from the meals and activities
    and room rate and have broken even. (not including admission media!)
    
    So, as you can see, it really is a very personal choice. I just can't
    say enough good about it. Last year when we went, we went with some
    other DEC employees. It took some convincing on our part for them to 
    try the package. Now that they have, they say they would not go any other
    way. Also, I tried to take my son to WDW last year, but not on the
    package. He stated he would rather wait until we could afford the package
    so that he doesn't have to feel guilty/worry about the money when we're
    down there.
    
    So, we're leaving TODAY at 2:30 for the airport! I am Sooooooo
    excited!
    
    If you need any other info about the WOrld vacation package, I would be
    more than happy to help.
    
    Marcie

    Marcie,
    
    Would you be willing to share with us what the World Vacation Package
    cost you for the number of days (and don't forget how many people)
    spent in Orlando?
    
    That might help Alan and others in deciding what's best for them.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike

>    Would you be willing to share with us what the World Vacation Package
>    cost you for the number of days (and don't forget how many people)
>    spent in Orlando?
    
Sure, no problem.  We're taking an 8 day, 7 night World Vacation Package
at the Beach Club Resort.  For the 3 adults, we're paying $1284 each, and
for the 2 teenagers (juniors) we're paying $735 each.  So for all of us, it's
$5322 for the package.

Then we've got an extra night on each end (still at the Beach Club)
for $213 per night.  We decided to do this instead of moving to the 
CBR, PO, or DL because we would have needed two rooms at those places
(maximum of 4 per room).  It won't be any more expensive to stay at the
Beach Club, and there is no hassle of having to move.

Since you can buy tickets for Typhoon Lagoon, Discovery Island, and River
Country in advance, we are planning to do that while we're still on the
package, and then use the tickets on our last day (which is after the 
package ends).  So, we're really getting 9 days use of The World for our
package price.

So far we've got reservations for the Hoop Dee Doo Review, Victoria and
Albert's, a fishing expedition (for the boys), Broadway at the Top, and
a Wonders of the World Learning Program for the kids.  We also have all
of our restaurants mapped out -- Flaglers, Narcoosees, Portabello, 
Ariel's (for lobster!), the Yachtman's Steakhouse, etcetera, etcetera, 
etcetera!  And lots of R&R activities -- water sprites, toobies, boats,
water skiing, bicycles...  So, we plan on getting our money's worth!

Can you tell we're getting excited??  Only 3 hours and 15 minutes until
we hit the road!

                                          Tracy and Marcie

    Why do you have to buy tickets for TL, etc? I thought certain
    plans included admission.
    
    Also, is airfare included?
    
    Mike_playing_Devil's_Advocate

All of the admissions are included.  We get the tickets for Typhoon Lagoon
ahead of time so that we don't have to worry about them being sold out.
I'm not sure if you have to get tickets, or if you can use your card at
the gate.

Airfare is not part of the package.  We were going to drive down, but we
got RT tickets for $200 each and decided it was worth it.  It gave us two
extra days of vacationing that way.

                                         Tracy

    Tracy,
    
    I thought that vacation packages offerred "Be Our Guest" passes.
    
    By the way, if you stay on the property you won't be denied Typhoon
    Lagoon. A few years back my wife got nervous as I drove past the
    "Sorry, We're Full! Please come back tomorrow" sign in the entrance
    to Typhoon Lagoon. "Where are you going?" she asked.
    
    I came across some castmembers, flashed my resort card and they pointed
    to a special area.
    
    **********************************
    
    By the by....I may be moving these last few replies to their respective
    topic.
    
    Mike

Hey Mike, move this note with the rest...

Here's the analysis I did of the World Plan (from my Trip Report of 9/92):

|WORLD PLAN COSTS:  Going on the World Plan was fun and self-indulgent. 
|Here's a synopsis of our spending on meals.  For comparison, the 
|vacation Kingdom plan, with hotel and admission but only a couple of 
|meals would have been $1294.  The World Plan was $1816, a difference 
|of $522.  So what did we use our Gold Key card for, and what did we 
|spend that actually cost us $522?  Here it is:
|
|     Breakfast      29.14    16.43   29.14   29.14   29.14
|     Lunch          42.80   163.84!  74.82   51.38   37.48
|     Dinner         85.55    41.00  120.44  173.28!  
|     Pleasure Is.   21.90
|     Typhoon Lag.                    41.34
|     Boats                                   44.00
|
|     Total:  $1810.82, which cost us $522, Bonus:  $508.

We liked the plan for the pay ahead, don't care about costs results, which
is a lot like going to an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean (another
favorite of ours.) Our conclusion was that you have to make an effort to
get your money's worth, and keep eating big meals at the expensive 
restaurants.  If you slack off and grab a coffee and danish for breakfast,
or skip a dinner to get a Wendy's fix, you might only break even!

Bill

    As has been stated, whether or not you use a plan tends to come down to
    some basic preferences and ability to use what they include.  On each
    of our last two family trips, I tried as hard as I could to justify
    using a plan, and each time was NOT able to get as much for the $ as
    going "a la carte".  I believe that the primary reason for this was
    that there are three children in our party, and when one factors in the
    individual plan cost components for room (doesn't exist "a la carte"!,
    the room cost is the room cost, within Disney room limit guidelines)
    and meals, it was the children's portion of the plans where we wouldn't
    get the value.
    
    I do believe that if the party is all adults or mostly adults, the
    plans tend to make more economic sense.  While on each of our last two
    trips we spent lots of bucks, and did not spare expense, the actual
    expenses STILL came out less than what they would have been on the
    fixed-cost plans.  As an example of value, at the CBR we were able to
    get the "family plan" for unlimited use of all watercraft and bicycles
    for 11 days for a sum total of $39, usable by everyone in my family of
    five AND my in-laws.  There are very few differences between the
    benefits of a plan and the benefits of merely staying on the property;
    you still get early admission, guaranteed admission, transportation,
    early meal reservations, free parking, etc., etc., etc.
    
    If you want to pay in advance and not worry about cost while there, I'd
    say that a plan makes sense.  But the only way that I think that it
    would make economic sense is if the party is mostly adult, and plans to
    eat A LOT (which isn't such a bad idea at WDW!)
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    

    I think that the consensus is that you don't necessarily get the
    biggest bang for your buck when you opt for one of the plans unless
    you really plan to visit several (expensive) restaurants everyday.
    
    I think Bill's note pretty much says it all...it's convenience that
    drives some people to use these plans.
    
    Ken pretty much echos my thoughts on this.
    
    Mike

    Some friends of mine just got back from Florida and tell me that when
    they tried to book just one night at the CBR they were told that the
    resort was booked solid early into 1994 so if you're thinking about
    going in '94 and staying at the CBR you may want to give the CRO a
    call.
    
    Mike

    
                       ( December Weather)
    
     We just booked a trip for early December and i was wondering what
    to expect for weather and temps that time of year. Also, i'm 
    interested in knowing the ratio or amount of people that are there
    in December compared to say the summer.
    
    
    steve

    Steve,
    
    I'd say you're okay except for the last two weeks of December. The 
    crowds at that time could be comparable to Summer crowds. If you are
    going in early December you'll certainly find shorter lines than
    you would for May-August.
    
    Mike

    We've also booked for early December...and I'd also be interested to
    know what we can expect weather-wise...
    
    Thanks,
    
    Karen

    Two years ago my wife and I went for a weekend the first week of
    December.  High temperature during the day was just shy of 80, lows at
    night were in the low 60s, weather was clear and sunny.  But it can
    always vary...
    
    Regards,
    Ken
    

    I just called the CRO this morning to get availability for the week of
    May 9th, '94 and May 16th, '94 - both weeks had rooms available in all
    price ranges.
    
    Kathy
    

    Thanks, I'll keep my fingers crossed!
    
    Karen

    
    I've been at WDW during early Dec and also late Dec. The weather varies
    as already mentioned from low 80's during the day to low 60's. Toward
    the end of the month you can get cold snaps that can end up with
    weather in the 70's and 60's during the day to low 40's at nite. We
    have had great weather there during the Xmas time of the month and we
    have had bad freezing weather as well. The last two out of three times
    there have been good.
    
    Bob

    I'll be staying at the CBR.  Will I have any trouble having guests from
    outside of WDW (they live in the local area) visit me there and use the
    pools?
    
    Jane

    i know you have laundromats here but do they supply irons ? trying
    to avoid carrying a travel iron.

    This question has been covered earlier in this topic but I think it's
    important to bring it up again.
    
    The question deals with sneaking in 5 people into a CBR room.
    
    Has anyone done it? Were there any repercussions?
    
    Mike

    I asked a cast member to check with the CBR on usage of those those
    souvenir mugs and she was told by the folks at the CBR that those mugs are
    not intended to be used at the food court.
    
    Mike

    
    
    Yeabut Mike, it seems everyone uses them at the Food Court... and no
    one stops you from using them at the drink area...   FWIW, it's a crime
    what they charge for the mug and drinks down there, so I didn't feel so
    bad using the mug... ALso it would have taken 10 extra minutes in the 
    morning to stand in one of those food lines just to get a mug of
    coffee..  they don't move very fast you know ;-)
    
    
    John
    
    - a $2.95 cup cost $3.60 after the 6% sales tax and 15% restocking charge
    

    Just back from CBR, trip report will be a few weeks... I need to catch
    up on work first, but...... 
    
    on the firt day there, we ask the woman who came into our room to restock 
    the minini bar about the mugs (there great, I just drove to work with my 
    coffee in the mug this morning!). She assured us that it was OK to take 
    them to OPR for fill-ups. She told us they were looking at raising the 
    price of drinks at OPR to cover the cost of everyone using the mugs, but 
    have not determined how much to raise the prices too. Upon hearing that we
    asked for three more mugs (So we would each have one) and used them for
    morning coffee and afternoon drinks by the pool. Great idea!
    
    I was baffled by some people asking where we got the mugs. I would have
    assumed they would be in everyone's room. Maybe these people were just
    visiting?
    
    

    Hmmm,
    
    That's quite different from what I heard last week. Guess I'll have to
    wait until I get there to find out what the scoop is on these mugs.
    
    Mike

    Hi,
    
    I notices that some people had said they made special requests to be in
    a designated island building.  When we asked that the person on the
    other end of the phone said we would be lucky if we could get
    non-smoking and a king bed.  Is it possable he was wrong, should we
    call back and insist on Barbados etc...
    
    thanks
    -jon
    

    The more requests that you make the less likely the hotel will be able
    to satisfy them all. King-size bed rooms now command the highest room
    rate, regardless of view, because they are scarce and popular with 
    couples. We always request one of them. You can request Barbados and 
    have it noted on your reservation, but you have to decide what is most 
    important to you, the king-size bed, non-smoking, or the location? 
    Personally, I would compromise more on the location than the size of 
    the bed. If it is an especially busy time of the year none of your 
    requests may be able to be satisfied. 
    
    It's worth having the preference on file, but don't be too disappointed 
    if you have to take a different village. We were initially disappointed
    to be assigned to Jamaica on one of our trips, but decided we liked it
    after exploring the possibilites. 
    
    Regardless, you'll have a great time. 
    
    Linda

    Gosh, sure has been quiet here.  I'm thinking of staying at CBR. 
    Anyone have any recent positive or negative experiences to share?
    
    Thanks!
    tl
    

    We were there during the second of January, besides being cold, it
    was satisfactory.  The only negative thing was the cash refrigator that
    not only sold soda but things like frisbees, scandals, etc.  It just
    rub me the wrong way, out for the buck type of scenario.
    
    The had a problem with the shower, no hot water and we discover
    that after we did the marathon, but they fixed it within a couple 
    of hours.  
    
    The beach area was nice to walk around, we didn't do any of the
    boating things, but other people were.  Again too cold for 
    us.
    
    Bottom line, the rooms are comfortable, the bed relaxing, the TV works
    and surroundings (beach, walkways, pools, etc) well taken care.
    
    So it is your choice between Dixie Landings, CBR or New Orleans for
    the same amount of money.
    
    Dave
    

    We were there last June.  I guess I'm spoiled, I didn't like it....too
    far from anything.  We usually stay in one of the hotels on the monorail 
    line and missed the convenience.  Also, our room was quite a distance
    from anything in the complex, we walked almost a mile back and forth
    for buses and to the food court.  After walking all day and evening at
    the parks, an almost mile walk to your room from the bus is something
    no one really wants to do.  Of course, the length of your walk totally
    depends on your room assignment but getting a room close to the bus
    stop is the luck of the draw.
    
    The sit-down restaurant was excellent, the pool area near our room was
    clean and not too crowded, and the girls had fun using the boats along the
    waterway.  Our room was comfortable and clean, however, I also didn't
    care for the amount of stuff left in the room for sale.  Our
    housekeeper had lots of fun arranging out window with the girls'
    stuffed animal purchases.  Whenever we arrived back we always checked
    out window before entering the room....my husband and I loved it, but
    the girls' didn't like the idea of someone touching their stuff.

    It's all a matter of taste I guess. My wife loves the CBR for the
    following reasons:
    
          - Security
          - Colorful
          - Pools and laundry close by
          - Varieties in the Food Court
          - Save time to and from the car
          - Comfy beds
          - Good price
    
    If you have stayed on a monorail hotel then you've been spoiled and
    probably will miss the convenience of the monorail. The CBR is no more 
    than 10 minutes (MAX) from any theme or water park or the Marketplace.
    Over the last 6 years I've spent more than 40 days at the CBR and
    enjoyed every day.
    
    I've also stayed at the Wilderness Lodge and although I liked it I
    prefer the CBR because of most of the points made previously in my
    reply.
    
    Mike

    I admit I'm spoiled :-)  We don't rent cars when we head to DW as we
    never leave it during our stays.  I found your  comment about 10
    minutes to the various theme parks interesting, was that by car or bus?
    The buses we took didn't arrive at any of the parks in less than 20
    minutes.

    We've stayed at CBR twice, once in 1989 and then in 92. We liked it.
    Our last trip, July 1994, we were upgraded from Port Orleans to
    Wilderness Lodge. We LOVED it. This year we are looking at the Beach
    Club Resort.
    
    One of the things we always do is "pool hop". So far I think the WL has
    one of the best pools. We haven't been to the Y&BC pools, so this will
    be a new one for us.
    
    Just to add to Mike's comments in .202. It's nice sometimes to get away
    from the middle of everything. The hotels right on the monorail line do
    not allow you to do that very easily.

    Attention Lori Hagen,
    
    Anything new and exciting at the CBR?
    
    Mike

>    Attention Lori Hagen,
>    
>    Anything new and exciting at the CBR?
>    
>    Mike

It's hard to say if there's anything new, since I've never stayed there before.
I'm working on my trip report and it should be finished in a day or two.

We stayed at CBR for 5 nights and I wasn't very impressed with it.  The room
seemed almost shabby - quite suprising considering the hotel isn't that old.
My biggest complaint was with housekeeping - they didn't show up to make up our
room until about 4:00 each day.  We'd come back to our room around 3:00 for a
rest and our room wasn't done yet.  One day they didn't even bother to empty
our wastebasket, which was almost overflowing at the time.

One thing new - they are renovating Martinique.  While I was there, the Mar-
tinique pool & laundry area was closed.  I peeked in and the pool looked
untouched, but the entire area around the pool was dug up.  I've also seen
signs all around the Martinique area stating "Pardon our appearance while we
renovate this area for your future enjoyment".  These weren't just posted
around the pool area, they were everywhere in Martinique, although I couldn't
really see any other renovation work being done.  It may have gotten a fresh
coat of blue paint.

Also, in addition to being able to purchase CBR mugs for drink refills, you
may also purchase 25th Anniversary mugs, which look slightly larger, for the
same $6.95.  One thing to note - you can buy these same mugs in MGM with a
drink for something like $3.95 and can probably still use them at CBR, although
that would be cheating a little.  Also, next to the mugs in our room were
those Mickey Mouse rain panchos available for purchase at $5/each.  Luckily
we never needed them.

One thing we were curious about - outside OPR there are these strings strung
up from the building to the lamp posts, criss-crossing.  What are these
strings for?  My husband and I guessed it was some sort of method to control
the birds to keep them away from people. (?)

- Lori

    Lori,
    
    Yeah those strings were put up a long timer ago to discourage out
    feathered friends from becoming unwanted guests.
    
    Gee, I hope the pool and laundry is ready by Summer. 
    
    Mike

On this last trip, we spent 5 nights at CBR and 3 nights at WL.

One thing we noticed on our CBR bill - they charged us for all 5 nights
on the day we checked in.  Boom - one big lump charge.  Then, for each
day, the itemized bill showed only the charges me made using our resort
ID.  This seemed kind of sneaky to us - if we wanted or had to check out
sooner than expected, we would have had to request a refund.

Our bill from the WL showed that they charged us one night at a time.

- Lori

They did that to me too.  When I checked in they immediatly sent through a 
charge for the length of stay passes and then another for the nights we
planned on being there.  I figured all the WDW resorts did it.  Interesting
that the more expensive ones don't...

When you checked in, your CC was hit with a charge for the LOS, however, the
actual paperwork associated with the charge isn't forwarded to the bank until
checkout.  At checkout you have 1 of 2 options: if nothing changed, then just
send in the paperwork.  If something did change, then void the original
transaction and do a new transaction.  

It's my impression that hotels can do some pretty sophisticated stuff with CC's,
beyond simply your single sale transaction - if they choose to do so.  I'm going
to guess that FW took this approach - your CC had a charge on it for the LOS,
then as each day elapsed, that transaction was decremented by the price for that
day and then a new transaction was entered for that cost.  This has a benefit to
the hotel in that they start getting their money sooner, rather than only after
you checkout.

--Scott

re .223	

What you said is how you would think it worked, but, the fact of the matter is,
my charge account was hit for LOS and the room charges on the day I checked in.
It appeared on my statement (meaning it figured into my daily balance for 
finance charge computations) on the day I checked in.  On the day I checked out,
there was a third charge for everything I charged to the room (the biggest
charge ;^)).  

The more I think about this, I don't like it.  The LOS I understand, but I 
shouldn't pay for the room until I use it. 

Brad

Check your posting and transaction dates on the item in question.  If the
posting date is a few days after you checked out, then they probably did wait
until the end of your stay before sending the paperwork on to the bank.  If the
posting date is just a few days after the transaction date then they didn't (or
you had a short stay).  Hopefully your card company provides you with both dates
on your statement.

They provide both transact and post dates.  

Transact date = post date = day I checked in for both the room charge (all days)
and LOS passes.

Transact date = post date = day I left for other items charged to my room.

I'd be glad to show you the statement.

I recognized what they were doing at the time I checked in.  I questioned them
on it and while I can't quote the conversation, it was quite clear that they 
want the money up front.

    
    just as a data point to this discussion.
    
    My last trip in January 1996, we stayed 3 nights at
    the Contemporary.  They charged the complete charge
    once, at the end of the stay.
    
    so far we have
    
    CBR - all room charges up front
    WL - 1 night charge at a time
    Contemporary - all charges at checkout.
    
    I have heard that every resort is managed seperately
    in terms of discounts, room availability, etc, so I guess
    they  each have instituted their own charging methods.
    
    Maybe the CBR had a high incidence of room charges rejected
    at the end of the stay, so they decided to start charging
    for the whole stay up front.  Who really knows...
    
    >>This seemed kind of sneaky to us - if we wanted or had to check out
    >>sooner than expected, we would have had to request a refund.
    
    If you had to check out sooner than your reservation listed aren't
    you bound by the 1 night charge rule for lack of timely cancellation?
    I'm not sure what their policy is on this, as I've never had to
    cut a long reservation short at WDW.
    
    --Bert
    

>I'd be glad to show you the statement.

I believe you.  It's just that the data wasn't supplied, and it's a mistake I
used to make (not understanding the difference between transaction and posting).

Like you, I don't know if I like the approach CBR takes, but if a refund was
needed (and allowed) it doesn't seem like it wold be all that difficult to
process - I've had refunds given right back to the credit card and they show up
as a refund credit.

Ah well.
--Scott

    Well, to add another datapoint, I just got back from the Poly and the
    charges didn't occur until after I checked out.

    Just got back from the Beach Club, room charges up front.

    I am happy to announce that the new Martinique pool/laundry area opened
    up late last week.
    
    Mike