Conference 7.286::golf

    
      Ron,  the greenskeeper would shoot you first, and ask questions later
      if he saw you attempt a full shot from one of his/her greens.  Not
      only the divot produced, but the twisting, grinding spikes on your
      shoes would do a healthy amount of damage as well.  You get relief,
      but I'm not sure if it is one or two clublengths (no closer to the
      hole).  
    
      For 99.99% of  the players out there, they should never attempt to
      even chip on a green.  Leave it to the pros to attempt to 'nip' the
      ball clean and not cause any damage.  Your local course super will
      appreciate it.   ;^)
    
    -rick

Horrific as it may sound, I don't believe there is any rule which 
states you get relief on a green.  If you land on the wrong 
green, then you should play it as it lies.  Unless there is a 
local rule which lets you lift and drop, nearest point of relief.

Certainly, if you are on the correct green, there is no lift and 
drop, even if there isn't a direct line to the hole.  It is quite 
common on the 17th at St Andrews, "The Road Hole", to be on the 
front right hand edge of the green, and the direct route to the 
pin is through the infamous Road Hole Bunker.

I remember Paul Azinger, the first time he saw the length of the 
greens at St Andrews, proudly stating he would gladly chip on the 
green, if he thought it was the right shot to play.  That one 
statement alienated him from 99.99% of the golfing public in 
Scotland.  Again, I don't believe there is any rule which says 
you can't chip on a green.

However, I do agree with .-1, keep a very good look out for the 
green staff.  If they catch you, ....  Personally, I'd rather 
drop a shot, or two, than attempt to chip off a green.  One has 
one's standards.

Randall (I'd probably shank it anyway.)

    
    I don't think you get relief.
    
    I have seen pro's chip on the green. There is (was) a horse-shoe shaped
    green at the Canadien open (?). I recall seeing one of the pros, be on
    the wrong leg of the shoe, and chip over the rough the get to the other
    side..
    
    Personally I'd take the drop and any penalty, heck, even if you have to
    declare it an unplayable lie, it's better than that rake over the
    head you'd get from the grounds staff.
    
    --Bob
    

    ]	According to rule 25-3 of my Rules of Golf book, if the ball lies
    on a putting green other than the hole being played,  The player shall
    lift the ball and drop it without penalty within one club-length, not
    nearer the hole being played and not in a hazard. The key word is SHALL
    lift and drop.  Also the ball may be cleaned when lifted.
    
    	Tom
    
    ps Should read not in a hazard or on a putting green.
    

    If it's a USGA, R&A or PGA tournament, I can understand someone
    chipping on a green (although the guys behind you might not...).
    Otherwise, take the penalty, try to putt it - whatever. I isn't worth
    ruining a piece of green just to attempt to save a shot.
    
    __Jack

    
      How about that!  A rule with a smidgeon of common sense to it.  You
      even get penalized *for* playing a shot off a wrong green (match
      play = loss of hole, stroke play = 2 shots, Greenskeeper sees you =
      loss of life). 
    
    -rick  

    
    On any  green  that  has any kind of bean shape you can find yourself
    with a put that needs to go out of the green and back.
    
    Two  Sundays  ago, after a round that I would like to forget, I found
    myself  on  the  18th green on Stow Acres North with such a putt.  It
    was just  pure luck that I made the putt, and fortunately since I was
    ready to throw  away  the  clubs.  I just had to really bang the ball
    with my putter.  For about  a  second  I  considered chipping it, but
    since there was no US Open championship  hanging  on it, very quickly
    threw the thought away.
    
    Tavo
    

    what is difference between using say a 6 or 7 iron to pick ball off the
    "peanut" green and some of the balls that come screaming into the green
    and make holes, especially when green is wet.  Of course all us noters
    are meticulous about repairing said ball marks plus 1 other but,
    
    Sincerely, couldn't whatever damage done by chipping be repaired
    similarly; 
    
    this is a reasonably stupid question
    
    btw - finally hit a decent wood off of tee albeit a 3 wood.  Used tip
    from this note about holding the vee of hands; to do so I had to swing
    easy, result about 240yds, blew sw to green , 3 putted - sigh

re: .8

Although I've never used anything but a putter on a green, I'd 
imagine that a wedge, etc would do more damage than a ball, even
if the golfer was carefull. The club would tend to "rip" the green,
whereas the ball (most times) only "dents" the green.

Steve

    I agree with .8  a chip rips the grass.
    
    I just read on a magazine (I don't remember  if it was Golf Digest or
    World) on how to fix a ball mark;  the  instructions  coming  from  a
    greenskeepers association.  Paraphrasing  said  something  like:  Dig
    the tool outside the ball  mark  and  turn  it  and  then push to the
    center of the mark.  Don't  pull  the ground up since it will rip the
    grass.
    
    

�if the golfer was carefull. The club would tend to "rip" the green,
�whereas the ball (most times) only "dents" the green.

Unless you play at Stow Acres.  In which case, the ball won't even
dent the green no matter how high you hit it ;-) :-) ;-)

Mike

    A certain Mr Calcavecia used a wedge at St Andrews in a practice rd
    and never took a divot or marked the green, no problems !
    
    Now weekend golfers you are free to do the same , same shot no
    damage to the green, Tell me do ya feel lucky!!
    
    If you mark the green you are liable to a fate worse than death
    from the Greenkeepers, Commitee, Captain and members alike.
    
    Does any one feel that lucky!
    
    Pass me the putter, i three put anyway so putting rd a corner no
    big deal walk off with a bogey whats the problem.
    
    
    Greenpeace= Save the Whale and the Green.

	I saw Arnie use his wedge to chip from one side of a horseshoe shaped 
	green to the other. Took a divot, etc. In a tourney. 

	No rules against it, just your life if the greenskeeper finds out.

	But, than again, Arnie runs in a different circle than you and I.

    
    
    why not just tee it up?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    i'm still laughing............
    
    
    Dave

    I saw on espn footage of Byron Nelson and he must have been playing
    match play when they had old stymie rule and he neatly chipped the ball
    with his putter over opponenta ball and into the hole.
    
    And.. I mentioned this once before I think but it was so charming I
    will repeat...
    
    First time I played with my wife who is East Grand Rapids native I
    marked my ball and she said...
    
    "Don't you use chalk?"
    
    Which is how they marked balls in 50s when she walked with her family.
    
    And asked her favorite sport in all sincerity answered "Croquet".

    Ron,
    
    Drop by my desk on Monday when your in the plant and I'll
    help you setup anything you need.
    
    I'm situated at the top of the tunnel in TU10 bottom
    
    Walker Cairns
    

    Re:   <<< Note 1695.16 by AYOV10::CAIRNS "Radio Ass Kiss !! - On the Air !!" >>>

    Hey Walker,
    
    I assume your trying to offer help to the author of note 1965, who is
    going to Ayr,  or  are  you  trying to help setup some "on-the-green"
    chipping lessons, which was the topic of this older note?!
    

    And to the guy going to Ayr......don't get into a money match with
    Walker Cairns........you'll be coming home broke.
    
    
    How's the game Walker?  By the way, the Redskins are in dead last this
    year, but I guess you already knew that!!!