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    Hi Dan,
    
    	Good info !
    
    	Gee what's with Jose' and Seve??
    	
    	They'll probably get on the team regardless of their position on
    	the list... I'd hate to see either of them sit it out ! Anyone
    	know the reason/status of their current play?
    
    	thanks Walta

    Hi,
       The reason Ballesteros is so far down the rankings is that he has
       decided to play in only one tourmament in 4 months.I think he might
       be expecting to get a wild card ( if his form returns ).
       Another reason why seve aint playing is that he has completely lost
       his game. ( I can relate to that part )
       A recent report stated that he was hitting his drives poorly and
       that his short game was non-existant.
       I think that he will return a better player,he is the type of player
       we will need to win back the ryder cup.
    
       I think that ollie has just disappeared of the face off the earth.
    
    
    
       Dav      

    Latest standings from the USENET...

    Bill

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Article: 6167
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: Ryder Cup Standing as of 02/19/93
Sender: [email protected] (News Administrator)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 20:08:11 GMT
 
Ryder Cup Standings as of 2/19/93
 
United States
 
1.  Kite, Tom..........................680.000
2.  Cook, John.........................657.500
3.  Couples, Fred......................645.500
4.  Love, Davis III....................555.000
5.  Janzen, Lee........................427.143
6.  Azinger, Paul......................418.417
7.  Gallagher, Jim Jr..................417.500
8.  O'Meara, Mark......................406.250
9.  Pavin, Corey.......................392.500
10. Clearwater, Keith..................369.166
 
11. Sluman, Jeff.......................360.833
12. Maggert, Jeff......................332.500
13. Faxon, Brad........................323.333
14. Forsman, Dan.......................312.583
15. Floyd, Raymond.....................307.500
16. Sindelar, Joey.....................289.643
17. Pate, Steve........................280.893
18. Beck, Chip.........................272.500
19. Mize, Larry........................257.143
20. Sauers, Gene.......................255.000
 
U.S. team chosen on basis of points compiled from 01/12/92 through
1993 PGA Championship.  Top 10 on points lists qualify for team,
captain, Tom Watson selects two others.  Points awarded for top-10
finishes in PGA Tour events with bonuses for majors.
 
Europe
 
1.  Lane, Barry.....................253,271.45
2.  Faldo, Nick.....................228,527.50
3.  Montgomerie, Colin..............216,525.94
4.  James, Mark.....................175,412.41
5.  Lyle, Sandy.....................172,109.01
6.  Langer, Bernard.................154,944.34
7.  Jimenez, Miguel Angel...........153,948.18
8.  Spence, Jamie...................147,550.15
9.  Roe, Mark.......................129,931.27
 
10. Richardson, Steven..............125,321.00
11. Forsbrand, Anders................95,921.40
12. Woosnam, Ian.....................93,852.71
13. Karlsson, Robert.................90,832.50
14. Payne, Jim.......................76,889.01
15. Rafferty, Ronan..................78,326.87
16. Feherty, David...................77,815.00
17. Clarke, Darren...................76,365.09
18. O'Connor, Christy Jr.............73,034.09
19. Ballesteros, Seve................70,284.23
20. Olazabal, Jose Maria.............69,055.00
 
Players receive Ryder Cup points at Volvo Order of Merit events
played from 09/01/92 thru 08/29/93.  The top nine point scored
automatically qualify for the 12-man European team.  Captain
Bernard Gallacher will select the final three players.
 
Dan King

    Despite of the atracting money list.Three Finnish golfers are willing
    to go to watch Ryder this year.Any one knows how to catch tickets.
    Any idea about the prices?
    
    

    Hi,
       You can purchase tickets from the R+A at St Andrews,they will post
    them to you.I assume you wont be picking them up in person.
    If you purchase tickets for the three days there is a small discount
    and if you buy tickets now there is a further discount.I seem to recall
    they were Selling them for about 90 pounds for the three days or 30
    pounds daily.

     Complete Ryder Cup standings, as of approx. 7/30

     Bill

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: The Definitive Ryder Cup Points Standings
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 15:25:32 GMT
 
 
Following is Ryder Cup Point Standings for the U.S.A.  Golfers 
who have earned Ryder Cup points, but are ineligible to compete 
for the U.S.A. have no number under the ranking heading.  (There
sure are a lot of them in the Top-10).
 
Rank Golfer               Total       1992      1993
     Price, Nick.........1248.215    636.786   611.429
  1. Azinger, Paul.......1137.167    263.417   798.750
     Norman, Greg........1076.905    255.476   821.429
  2. Couples, Fred.......1030.500    630.500   395.000
  3. Kite, Tom............953.333    440.000   423.333
  4. Janzen, Lee..........873.810    227.143   646.667
  5. Stewart, Payne.......798.393    114.643   683.750
  6. Pavin, Corey.........777.500    392.500   385.000
     Faldo, Nick..........710.000    485.000   225.000
  7. Cook, John...........697.500    602.500    40.000
  8. Love, Davis III......640.000    370.000   120.000
     Langer, Bernard......590.000      0.000   590.000
  9. Beck, Chip...........574.167    237.500   336.667
 10. Gallagher, Jim Jr....567.500    297.500   270.000
     Frost, David.........525.596    219.167   306.429
 11. O'Meara, Mark........506.250    323.750   107.500
     Elkington, Steve.....490.917    230.500   260.417
 12. Forsman, Dan.........484.250    273.833   175.417
 13. Mediate, Rocco.......453.929    142.500   311.429
 14. Lehman, Tom..........434.286    219.286   215.000
 15. Maggert, Jeff........431.250    182.500   248.750
 16. Clearwater, Keith....419.166    219.166   200.000
 17. Sindelar, Joey.......409.643    129.643   280.000
 18. Mize, Larry..........405.239    107.143   298.096
 19. Faxon, Brad..........398.333    268.333    75.000
 20. Edwards, David.......380.000    150.000   230.000
 21. Floyd, Raymond.......377.500    307.500    70.000
 22. Sluman, Jeff.........370.833    360.833    10.000
 23. Henke, Nolan.........364.643    129.643   235.000
 24. Haas, Jay............349.762    188.333   161.429
     Parry, Craig.........334.500     82.500   252.000
 25. Huston, John.........317.500    167.500   130.000
 26. Pate, Steve..........317.322    245.893    36.429
     Singh, Vijay.........308.334      8.334   300.000
 27. Waldorf, Duffy.......294.417    218.334    76.083
 28. Daly, John...........290.000    160.000   130.000
 28. Wadkins, Lanny.......290.000     90.000   200.000
     Allem, Fulton........270.834     35.834   235.000
 30. Crenshaw, Ben........270.834    120.834   150.000
 31. Weibe, Mark..........268.500     37.500   231.000
 32. Simpson, Scott.......257.500      7.500   250.000
 33. Hammond, Donnie......255.000    110.000   145.000
 33. Sauers, Gene.........255.000    255.000     0.000
 35. Fehr, Rick...........252.917    127.500   125.417
 36. Morgan, Gil..........251.250     72.500   178.750
 37. Twitty, Howard.......248.750     80.000   168.750
 38. Springer, Michael....245.000     50.000   195.000
 39. Hoch, Scott..........240.000      0.000   240.000
 40. Brown, Billy Ray.....235.000    145.000    90.000
     Waite, Grant.........235.000      0.000   235.000
 41. Roberts, Loren.......227.500     92.500   135.000
 42. Lietzke, Bruce.......222.500    222.500     0.000
 43. Brooks, Mark.........221.143    220.893     0.250
 44. Watson, Tom..........217.143     57.143   160.000
 45. Mickelson, Phil......217.000     55.000   162.000
 46. Calcavecchia, Mark...213.334    108.334   105.000
 47. Cochran, Russ........211.310    126.310    85.000
     Ogle, Brett..........210.000      0.000   210.000
 48. Standley, Mike.......202.500     52.500   150.000
 49. Kraft, Greg..........200.000     15.000   185.000
 50. Delsing, Jay.........197.500    112.500    85.000
 51. Peoples, David.......196.833    187.500     9.333
     Olazabal, Jose Marie.193.750    123.750    70.000
 52. McCumber, Mark.......192.500      7.500   185.000
 52. Hart, Dudley.........192.500     57.500   135.000
 54. McGovern, Jim........190.000     35.000   155.000
 55. Twiggs, Greg.........186.250     37.500   148.750
 56. Blake, Jay Don.......178.393     99.643    78.750
 57. Gamez, Robert........177.000     75.000   102.000
 58. Funk, Fred...........175.000    111.667    63.333
     Else, Ernie..........175.000     45.000   130.000
 58. Green, Ken...........175.000    140.000    35.000
 60. Rummels, Dave........172.500     12.500   160.000
 61. Mast, Dick...........165.000     60.000   105.000
 62. McCallister, Blaine..160.000     90.000    70.000
 63. Lohr, Bob............157.500     22.500   135.000
     Zokol, Richard.......150.000    150.000     0.000
 64. Allen, Michael.......146.667      0.000   146.667
 65. Magee, Andrew........145.500     55.500    90.000
 66. Weibring, D.A........137.500     57.500    80.000
 67. Strange, Curtis......134.167     12.500   121.667
     Baker-Finch, Ian.....131.786     71.786    60.000
     Senior, Pete.........130.000      0.000   130.000
 68. Andrade, Billy.......128.989     32.143    96.846
 69. Triplett, Kirk.......126.667     45.000    81.667
 70. Glasson, Bill........122.500     85.000    37.500
     Montgomerie, Colin...120.000    120.000     0.000
 71. Mayfair, Billy.......120.000     10.000   110.000
 72. Estes, Bob...........117.500     57.500    60.000
 73. Zoeller, Fuzzy.......113.929     32.500    81.429
 74. Maltbie, Roger.......109.500     12.500    97.000
 75. Dougherty, Ed........103.929     82.500    21.429
 76. Sieckmann, Tom.......102.500     22.500    80.000
 77. Wrenn, Robert........100.000     35.000    65.000
 78. Freeman, Robin........97.500     32.500    65.000
 78. Perry, Kenny..........97.500     42.500    55.000
 80. Stadler, Craig........97.334     91.334     6.000
 81. Hallberg, Gary........95.000     95.000     0.000
 82. Hatalsky, Morris......94.643      7.143    87.500
 83. Adams, John...........94.167     32.500    61.667
 84. Pooley, Don...........92.500      7.500    85.000
 85. Fleisher, Bruce.......90.977      5.977    85.000
 86. Humenik, Ed...........89.167     27.500    61.667
 87. Rhyan, Tad............85.000      0.000    85.000
     Lyle, Sandy...........85.000     25.000    60.000
 88. Gilder, Bob...........80.447     40.447    40.000
     Lawrie, Paul..........80.000      0.000    80.000
 89. Smith, Mike...........79.429      3.000    76.429
     Barr, Dave............78.750      3.750    75.000
 90. Bryant, Brad..........78.393     43.393    35.000
 91. Levi, Wayne...........77.500     60.000    17.500
     Woosnam, Ian..........77.143     77.143     0.000
 92. Carnevale, Mark.......75.000     75.000     0.000
 92. Bradley, Michael......75.000      0.000    75.000
 94. Schulz, Ted...........72.143     72.143     0.000
 95. Martin, Doug..........70.000     20.000    50.000
 95. Dodds, Trevor.........70.000      0.000    70.000
 97. Clampett, Bobby.......68.750      0.000    68.750
 98. Henninger, Vrian......60.000      0.000    60.000
 99. Rinker, Larry.........57.143     37.143    20.000
100. Mattiace, Len.........56.000      0.000    56.000
101. Jacobsen, Peter.......53.750      0.000    53.750
102. Wood, Willie..........52.500     17.500    35.000
     Ozaki, Joe............52.500     17.500    35.000
103. Horgan, P.H. III......51.667     35.000    16.667
104. Jaeckel, Barry........50.000      0.000    50.000
104. Anderson, J.C.........50.000      0.000    50.000
     Kuramoto, Massy.......50.000      0.000    50.000
106. Blackmar, Phil........47.500     47.500     0.000
106. Lancaster, Neal.......47.500     12.500    35.000
108. Woodward, Jim.........45.000     45.000     0.000
     Brand, Gordon Jr......45.000     45.000     0.000
108. Hallet, Jim...........45.000      0.000    45.000
     Ozaki, Jumbo..........45.000      0.000    45.000
110. Pruitt, Dillard.......44.167     17.500    26.667
111. Dawson, Marco.........42.500     42.500     0.000
111. Edwards, Joel.........42.500     42.500     0.000
113. Hulbert, Mike.........40.143     40.143     0.000
114. Toms, David...........40.000     40.000     0.000
115. Donald, Mike..........39.167     37.500     1.667
116. Fabel, Brad...........37.643     37.643     0.000
117. Eastwood, Bob.........37.500     37.500     0.000
117. Nicolette, Mike.......37.500     37.500     0.000
     Kaneko, Yoshinori.....37.500     37.500     0.000
117. Byrum, Tom............37.500     27.500    10.000
120. Tucker, Chris.........35.000     35.000     0.000
120. Persons, Peter........35.000     35.000     0.000
     Grady, Wayne..........32.500     12.500    20.000
121. Pohl, Dan.............31.429     30.000     1.429
122. Mudd, Jodie...........31.250     12.500    18.750
     Mackenzie, M..........30.000     30.000     0.000
123. Lamontagne, Steve.....30.000     30.000     0.000
123. Karlsson, Robert......30.000     30.000     0.000
123. Inman, John...........30.000     27.500     2.500
126. Burke, Patrick........28.500     22.500     6.000
127. Reid, Mike............27.500     27.500     0.000
127. Silveria, Larry.......27.500     27.500     0.000
129. Claar, Brian..........26.310      9.643    16.667
130. Kamm, Brian...........25.000      0.000    25.000
131. Gardner, Buddy........22.500     22.500     0.000
131. Browne, Olin..........22.500     22.500     0.000
131. Lesher, Greg..........22.500     22.500     0.000
134. Clements, Lennie......22.000      0.000    22.000
135. McGovern, Pat.........21.429      0.000    21.429
136. Barlow, Jeff..........20.000      0.000    20.000
136. Sullivan, Mike........20.000     20.000     0.000
138. Hayes, J.P............19.167     17.500     1.667
139. Mahaffey, John........18.750     18.750     0.000
140. Tcshetter, Mike.......17.500     17.500     0.000
140. Purtzer, Tom..........17.500     17.500     0.000
140. Renner, Jack..........17.500     17.500     0.000
144. Johnstone, Jimmy......16.667      0.000    16.667
144. Tewell, Doug..........16.667      0.000    16.667
146. Riley, Wayne..........15.000     15.000     0.000
147. Fiori, Ed.............13.250     10.500     2.750
148. Irwin, Hale...........12.500     12.500     0.000
148. Nelson, Larry.........12.500     12.500     0.000
148. Hinkle, Lon...........12.500     12.500     0.000
     Forsbrand, Anders.....11.250     11.250     0.000
151. Tryba, Ted............10.000      0.000    10.000
152. Sutton, Hal............6.000      0.000     6.000
153. Flannery, John.........3.750      0.000     3.750
153. Chamblee, Brandel......3.750      0.000     3.750
155. Lowry, Steve...........3.333      0.000     3.333
155. Cheesman, Barry........3.333      0.000     3.333
157. Armour, Tommy III......2.500      0.000     2.500
157. McCord, Gary...........2.500      2.500     0.000
159. Halldorson, Dan........2.167      2.167     0.000
160. McGowan, Pat...........1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Utley, Stan............1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Hayes, Mark............1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Woodland, Jeff.........1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Wolcott, Bob...........1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Nicklaus, Jack.........1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Thompson, Robert.......1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Buttner, Bill..........1.667      0.000     1.667
168. Krazert, Bill..........1.429      0.000     1.429
169. Bryant, Bart...........0.500      0.500     0.000
170. Gomez, Jamie...........0.250      0.000     0.250

Article: 10868
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Subject: Cook, Love make Ryder Cup team
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 93 18:17:12 PDT
 
	TOLEDO, Ohio (UPI) -- Two first-time players, John Cook and Davis Love
III, clinched berths on the U.S. Ryder Cup team by virtue of their play
at the PGA Championship over the weekend.
	Cook finished tied for sixth in the PGA at seven-under par 277, and
Love was deadlocked for 32nd at one-under par 283. Despite not making
the cut Friday, Chip Beck and Jim Gallagher had accumulated enough Ryder
Cup points to withstand the challenge of the PGA field and they
qualified for the final two automatic berths on the American team.
	Captain Tom Watson will round out his squad Monday morning by
announcing his two wild card selections.
	Paul Azinger, Fred Couples, Tom Kite, Lee Janzen, Corey Pavin and
Payne Stewart had already clinched the first six berths on the team.
	The Ryder Cup will be staged Sept. 24-26 at The Belfry in Sutton
Coldfield, England.
	``I don't know anything about The Belfry, other than hearing about
No. 10 and No. 18. I've ordered tapes of '85 and '89 (when the Ryder Cup
was played at The Belfry), and I want to watch those and see if I can
get a feel for it before I go over,'' said Cook, a first-time Ryder
Cupper.
	``I did represent the U.S. in the World Cup and the World Amateur
Team, so I know what representing the U.S. means. It's important to me,''
Cook added. ``It's a friendly rivalry, but it's very fierce. It will be
very competitive. When you walk off the green, you're going to shake
hands and smile at each other. That's just the way it is. But it doesn't
mean we don't want to go over there and shut them out.''
	The Americans defeated the European team, 14 1/2 to 13 1/2, in the 1989
Ryder Cup play at Kiawah Island, South Carolina.

From: [email protected] (UPI)
Subject: Floyd, Wadkins chosen to American Ryder Cup team
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 93 7:40:35 PDT
 
	TOLEDO, Ohio (UPI) -- American Ryder Cup captain Tom Watson Monday
named Raymond Floyd and Lanny Wadkins to fill out the 12-man team that
will attempt to retain the cup next month against a European squad in
England.
	The other 10 spots on the team were made final Sunday with the
concluding round of the the PGA Championship -- the last of the
tournaments at which Ryder Cup points were available.
	``My chief criteria was who had the heart and who had the guts,''
Watson said in announcing his two choices. ``No matter what the task,
they will not give up. These two guys will step between a bullet and me.
	``Europe is going to have a strong team, but we have a stronger team.
''
	Floyd, 50, became the oldest American to play in the Ryder Cup two
years ago when he was selected by captain Dave Stockton to compete on
the team that won back the cup in the matches played at Kiawah Island,
South Carolina. Prior to those matches, Europe had held the cup since
1985.
	It will be the eighth Ryder Cup appearance for both players, tying
the American record owned by Billy Casper. The rest of the American team
will be made up of newly crowned PGA champion Paul Azinger, Tom Kite,
Chip Beck, Payne Stewart, Corey Pavin, Fred Couples and Ryder Cup
rookies Davis Love III, John Cook, Lee Janzen and Jim Gallagher, Jr.
	Two years ago, Floyd teamed with Couples to win two matches in what
turned out to be a 14 1/2-13 1/2 American victory. Floyd lost his singles
match in 1991 to Nick Faldo. Wadkins, meanwhile, won two matches teaming
with Hale Irwin, halved a match teaming with Mark O'Meara and defeated
Mark James in their singles match.
	The race for spots on the European team will continue for two weeks.
The top nine spots on the European team are automatically awarded and
captain Bernard Gallacher will then select three wild card members.
	The top nine spots in the European points race are currently held by
Faldo, Colin Montgomerie, Bernhard Langer, Barry Lane, Mark James, Sam
Torrance, Constantino Rocca, Peter Baker and Jose-Maria Olazabal. If
Rocca holds onto his spot, he will become the first Italian to play in
the Ryder Cup.
	Ian Woosnam is 10th on the list, but would likely be one of
Gallacher's choices if he does not make the top nine. Gallacher is also
expected to choose Seve Ballesteros to the team despite Ballesteros'
recent slump.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: The complete and Final U.S.A. Ryder Cup Point Standings
Organization: NAS/NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:44:53 GMT
 
Below is the final Ryder Cup Standings for the U.S.A.  The PGA 
Championship did not change the order or the golfers in the top 10. 
(Though Azinger did pass by the ineligible Norman and Price).  The
last column in the golfers record in Ryder Cup.  I guess Watson
has already named the other two choices.  Has anyone heard?
 
New Team members are:  Lee Janzen, John Cook, Davis Love III and
Jim Gallagher Jr.  Thats a 1/3 of the team.  Right now Europe has
3 golfers that are in their top 9 with no Ryder Cup experience.
 
Rank Golfer               Total       1992      1993    Ryder Cup 
  1. Azinger, Paul.......1437.167    263.417  1173.750   5-4-0
     Price, Nick.........1398.215    636.786   761.429
     Norman, Greg........1336.905    255.476  1081.429
  2. Couples, Fred.......1030.500    630.500   400.000   3-3-1
  3. Kite, Tom............998.333    440.000   558.333  13-7-4
  4. Janzen, Lee..........873.810    227.143   646.667
     Faldo, Nick..........870.000    485.000   385.000
  5. Pavin, Corey.........842.500    392.500   450.000   1-2-0
  6. Stewart, Payne.......808.393    114.643   693.750   5-6-1
  7. Cook, John...........735.500    602.500   132.000
  8. Love, Davis III......640.000    370.000   270.000
     Langer, Bernard......590.000      0.000   590.000
  9. Beck, Chip...........574.167    237.500   336.667   4-2-1
 10. Gallagher, Jim Jr....567.500    297.500   270.000
 
 11. Mize, Larry..........555.239    107.143   448.096   1-1-2
     Elkington, Steve.....530.917    230.500   300.417
     Frost, David.........525.596    219.167   306.429
 12. Maggert, Jeff........516.250    182.500   333.750 
 13. O'Meara, Mark........506.250    323.750   182.500   2-5-1 
 14. Forsman, Dan.........484.250    273.833   210.417 
 15. Mediate, Rocco.......453.929    142.500   311.429
     Singh, Vijay.........448.334      8.334   440.000 
 16. Lehman, Tom..........434.286    219.286   215.000 
 17. Clearwater, Keith....419.166    219.166   200.000 
 18. Sindelar, Joey.......409.643    129.643   280.000
 23. Henke, Nolan.........402.143    129.643   272.500
 19. Faxon, Brad..........398.333    268.333   130.000
 20. Edwards, David.......380.000    150.000   230.000
 21. Floyd, Raymond.......377.500    307.500    70.000   9-15-3
 22. Sluman, Jeff.........370.833    360.833    10.000
 24. Haas, Jay............349.762    188.333   161.429   2-1-1
 25. Fehr, Rick...........337.917    127.500   210.417
 26. Watson, Tom..........337.143     57.143   280.000
     Parry, Craig.........334.500     82.500   252.000
 27. Huston, John.........317.500    167.500   150.000
 28. Pate, Steve..........317.322    245.893    71.429   0-1-1
 29. Morgan, Gil..........311.250     72.500   238.750   1-2-3
 30. Simpson, Scott.......295.000      7.500   287.500
 31. Waldorf, Duffy.......294.417    218.334    76.083
 32. Daly, John...........290.000    160.000   130.000
 32. Wadkins, Lanny.......290.000     90.000   200.000  18-10-2
 34. Hoch, Scott..........277.500      0.000   277.500
 35. Zoeller, Fuzzy.......273.929     32.500   241.429   1-8-1
     Allem, Fulton........270.834     35.834   235.000
 36. Crenshaw, Ben........270.834    120.834   150.000   3-4-2
 37. Weibe, Mark..........268.500     37.500   231.000
 38. Funk, Fred...........260.000    111.667   148.333
 39. Hammond, Donnie......255.000    110.000   145.000
 39. Sauers, Gene.........255.000    255.000     0.000
 41. Mickelson, Phil......254.500     55.000   199.500
 42. Twitty, Howard.......248.750     80.000   168.750
 43. Springer, Michael....245.000     50.000   195.000
 44. Blake, Jay Don.......243.393     99.643   143.750
 45. Brown, Billy Ray.....235.000    145.000    90.000
     Waite, Grant.........235.000      0.000   235.000
 46. Hart, Dudley.........230.000     57.500   172.500
 47. Roberts, Loren.......227.500     92.500   135.000
 48. Brooks, Mark.........226.143    220.893     5.250
 49. Lietzke, Bruce.......222.500    222.500     0.000
 49. Delsing, Jay.........222.500    112.500   110.000
 51. Calcavecchia, Mark...213.334    108.334   105.000
 52. Cochran, Russ........211.310    126.310    85.000
     Ogle, Brett..........210.000      0.000   210.000
 53. Standley, Mike.......202.500     52.500   150.000
 54. Kraft, Greg..........200.000     15.000   185.000
 55. Peoples, David.......196.833    187.500     9.333
     Olazabal, Jose Marie.193.750    123.750    70.000
 56. McCumber, Mark.......192.500      7.500   185.000
 57. McGovern, Jim........190.000     35.000   155.000
 58. Twiggs, Greg.........186.250     37.500   148.750
 59. Gamez, Robert........177.000     75.000   102.000
     Else, Ernie..........175.000     45.000   130.000
 60. Green, Ken...........175.000    140.000    35.000
 61. Rummels, Dave........172.500     12.500   160.000
 62. Mast, Dick...........165.000     60.000   105.000
 63. McCallister, Blaine..160.000     90.000    70.000
 64. Strange, Curtis......159.167     12.500   146.667
 65. Lohr, Bob............157.500     22.500   135.000
 66. Estes, Bob...........155.000     57.500    97.500
     Zokol, Richard.......150.000    150.000     0.000
 67. Allen, Michael.......146.667      0.000   146.667
 68. Magee, Andrew........145.500     55.500    90.000
 69. Weibring, D.A........137.500     57.500    80.000
     Baker-Finch, Ian.....131.786     71.786    60.000
     Senior, Pete.........130.000      0.000   130.000
 70. Andrade, Billy.......128.989     32.143    96.846
 71. Triplett, Kirk.......126.667     45.000    81.667
 72. Glasson, Bill........122.500     85.000    37.500
     Montgomerie, Colin...120.000    120.000     0.000
 73. Mayfair, Billy.......120.000     10.000   110.000
 74. Maltbie, Roger.......109.500     12.500    97.000
 75. Dougherty, Ed........103.929     82.500    21.429
 76. Sieckmann, Tom.......102.500     22.500    80.000
 77. Wrenn, Robert........100.000     35.000    65.000
 78. Freeman, Robin........97.500     32.500    65.000
 78. Perry, Kenny..........97.500     42.500    55.000
 80. Stadler, Craig........97.334     91.334     6.000
 81. Hallberg, Gary........95.000     95.000     0.000
 82. Hatalsky, Morris......94.643      7.143    87.500
 83. Adams, John...........94.167     32.500    61.667
 84. Pooley, Don...........92.500      7.500    85.000
 85. Fleisher, Bruce.......90.977      5.977    85.000
 86. Humenik, Ed...........89.167     27.500    61.667
 87. Rhyan, Tad............85.000      0.000    85.000
     Lyle, Sandy...........85.000     25.000    60.000
 88. Gilder, Bob...........80.447     40.447    40.000
     Lawrie, Paul..........80.000      0.000    80.000
 89. Smith, Mike...........79.429      3.000    76.429
     Barr, Dave............78.750      3.750    75.000
 90. Bryant, Brad..........78.393     43.393    35.000
 91. Levi, Wayne...........77.500     60.000    17.500
     Woosnam, Ian..........77.143     77.143     0.000
 92. Carnevale, Mark.......75.000     75.000     0.000
 92. Bradley, Michael......75.000      0.000    75.000
 94. Schulz, Ted...........72.143     72.143     0.000
 95. Martin, Doug..........70.000     20.000    50.000
 95. Dodds, Trevor.........70.000      0.000    70.000
 95. Lamontagne, Steve.....70.000     30.000    40.000
 98. Clampett, Bobby.......68.750      0.000    68.750
 99. Henninger, Vrian......60.000      0.000    60.000
100. Rinker, Larry.........57.143     37.143    20.000
101. Mattiace, Len.........56.000      0.000    56.000
102. Jacobsen, Peter.......53.750      0.000    53.750
103. Wood, Willie..........52.500     17.500    35.000
     Ozaki, Joe............52.500     17.500    35.000
104. Horgan, P.H. III......51.667     35.000    16.667
105. Jaeckel, Barry........50.000      0.000    50.000
105. Anderson, J.C.........50.000      0.000    50.000
105. Toms, David...........50.000     40.000    10.000
     Kuramoto, Massy.......50.000      0.000    50.000
105. Irwin, Hale...........50.000     12.500    37.500
109. Blackmar, Phil........47.500     47.500     0.000
110. Lancaster, Neal.......47.500     12.500    35.000
111. Woodward, Jim.........45.000     45.000     0.000
     Brand, Gordon Jr......45.000     45.000     0.000
111. Hallet, Jim...........45.000      0.000    45.000
     Ozaki, Jumbo..........45.000      0.000    45.000
113. Pruitt, Dillard.......44.167     17.500    26.667
114. Dawson, Marco.........42.500     42.500     0.000
115. Edwards, Joel.........42.500     42.500     0.000
116. Hulbert, Mike.........40.143     40.143     0.000
117. Donald, Mike..........39.167     37.500     1.667
118. Fabel, Brad...........37.643     37.643     0.000
119. Eastwood, Bob.........37.500     37.500     0.000
119. Nicolette, Mike.......37.500     37.500     0.000
     Kaneko, Yoshinori.....37.500     37.500     0.000
119. Byrum, Tom............37.500     27.500    10.000
122. Pohl, Dan.............35.429     30.000     6.429
123. Tucker, Chris.........35.000     35.000     0.000
123. Persons, Peter........35.000     35.000     0.000
     Grady, Wayne..........32.500     12.500    20.000
125. Mudd, Jodie...........31.250     12.500    18.750
     Mackenzie, M..........30.000     30.000     0.000
126. Karlsson, Robert......30.000     30.000     0.000
126. Inman, John...........30.000     27.500     2.500
128. Burke, Patrick........28.500     22.500     6.000
129. Reid, Mike............27.500     27.500     0.000
129. Silveria, Larry.......27.500     27.500     0.000
131. Claar, Brian..........26.310      9.643    16.667
132. Kamm, Brian...........25.000      0.000    25.000
133. Gardner, Buddy........22.500     22.500     0.000
133. Browne, Olin..........22.500     22.500     0.000
133. Lesher, Greg..........22.500     22.500     0.000
136. Clements, Lennie......22.000      0.000    22.000
137. McGovern, Pat.........21.429      0.000    21.429
138. Barlow, Jeff..........20.000      0.000    20.000
138. Sullivan, Mike........20.000     20.000     0.000
140. Hayes, J.P............19.167     17.500     1.667
141. Mahaffey, John........18.750     18.750     0.000
142. Tcshetter, Mike.......17.500     17.500     0.000
142. Purtzer, Tom..........17.500     17.500     0.000
142. Renner, Jack..........17.500     17.500     0.000
145. Johnstone, Jimmy......16.667      0.000    16.667
145. Tewell, Doug..........16.667      0.000    16.667
147. Riley, Wayne..........15.000     15.000     0.000
148. Fiori, Ed.............13.250     10.500     2.750
149. Nelson, Larry.........12.500     12.500     0.000
149. Hinkle, Lon...........12.500     12.500     0.000
     Forsbrand, Anders.....11.250     11.250     0.000
151. Tryba, Ted............10.000      0.000    10.000
152. Sutton, Hal............6.000      0.000     6.000
153. Flannery, John.........3.750      0.000     3.750
153. Chamblee, Brandel......3.750      0.000     3.750
155. Lowry, Steve...........3.333      0.000     3.333
155. Cheesman, Barry........3.333      0.000     3.333
157. Armour, Tommy III......2.500      0.000     2.500
157. McCord, Gary...........2.500      2.500     0.000
159. Halldorson, Dan........2.167      2.167     0.000
160. McGowan, Pat...........1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Utley, Stan............1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Hayes, Mark............1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Woodland, Jeff.........1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Wolcott, Bob...........1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Nicklaus, Jack.........1.667      0.000     1.667
160. Thompson, Robert.......1.667      1.667     0.000
160. Buttner, Bill..........1.667      0.000     1.667
168. Krazert, Bill..........1.429      0.000     1.429
169. Bryant, Bart...........0.500      0.500     0.000
170. Gomez, Jamie...........0.250      0.000     0.250
 

Article: 10727
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: European Ryder Cup Standings as of 08/09/93
 
Sender: [email protected] (News Administrator)
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 17:56:19 GMT
 
Has anybody heard Olazabal's plans for the next two weeks.
In the past he has stayed in the U.S. to play the International
And the NEC World Series of Golf (The two tournaments he has 
won in the U.S.).  With being on the bubble for Ryder Cup, does
anyone know if he plans on returning to Europe before the end of
the month?
 
European Ryder Cup Standings as of 08/09/93  
 
1.  Faldo, Nick....................513,022.50   17-12-2
2.  Montgomerie, Colin.............451,988.08    1-1-1
3.  Langer, Bernard................412,108.98   11-9-5
4.  Lane, Barry....................365,722.75
5.  James, Mark....................339,805.08   7-11-1
6.  Torrance, Sam..................325,929.20   4-12-5
7.  Rocca, Costantino..............304,597.25
8.  Baker, Peter...................297,279.17
9.  Olazabal, Jose Marie...........282,488.14   10-3-2
 
10. Woosnam, Ian...................274,938.12   8-10-3
11. Forsbrand, Anders..............261,223.26
12. Haeggman, Joakim...............258,576.76
13. Roe, Mark......................254,105.74
14. Broadhurst, Paul...............251,524.84    2-0-0
15. Richardson, Steven.............244,313.74    2-2-0
16. Spence, Jamie..................241,093.31
17. Brand, Gordon Jr...............227,134.43    3-4-1
18. Parnevik, Jesper...............216,482.65
19. Gifford, David.................215,838.57    0-2-1
20. Payne, Jim.....................212,682.34
21. Rafferty, Ronan................207,215.99    1-2-0
22. Jimenez, M.A...................205,324.57
23. Lyle, Sandy....................201,755.58    7-9-2
24. Feherty, David.................200,418.17    1-1-1
25. Ven de Velde, J................177,185.75
26. Mason, Carl....................164,198.65
27. Rivero, Jose...................154,748.83
28. Chapman, Roger.................148,503.40
29. McGinley, Paul.................146,354.73
30. Karlsson, Robert...............145,699.04
 
European team chosen on basis of points compiled at 
Order of Merit events played from Sept 1, 1992 thorugh
Aug 29, 1993.  Top nine qualify for 12-man team.  Captain
Bernard Gallacher selects three others.
 
 
Dan King
 

    
    Found you!!!!!
    
    How are you all , looking forward to the cup???
    
    I certainly am, as it creates great sporting excitement and viewing 
    entertainment which is tremendous especially as there is no money
    involved just pride and passion (should be what sport is all about
    anyway, eh??) 
    
    Well this note took some finding and as I said in the other Ryder Cup
    note 1745 I knew there must be other people out there as interested as
    me if not more in this competition, so just to reitterate(sp) a few
    comments before, whose the Swede playing?? 
    
    and here's to the best team winning and a great competition.
    
    and to Bernard knocking in that putt this time for a European win!!!
    
    
    Cheers Keith                                                 
    
    Cheers Keith
     

    
    News in, 
    
    that Sam Torrance might not be able to play because he's failed
    a medical exam, anybody shed any light on this.. 
    
    This is starting rumours especially over here that Ronan Rafferty
    might be called in, I suppose this is allowed??
    
    
    If this is what happens the team will be truley European which is only
    good for the game as it will provide widespead interest and support 
    for the first time here throughout Europe!! The only real issue is
    will everybody be able to understand each other especially the Scots
    (only joking) I suppose a cheer or a clenched fist for truiumph is the
    same in any language. This also brings up again the location for the
    comp over here as Seve has already stated that he feels it isn't right
    that its always at the Belfry and says Spain or somewhere else should 
    host it, I suppose he has a point now the team is Europe after all, the
    only maybe reservation I would have is the support for it might not be
    there in other countries but I would say that wouldn't I as I'm English.   
    
    All European Team
    
    English	4
    Spanish	2
    Scottish	(1)2
    Welsh	1
    German	1
    Italian 	1
    Swedish	1
    Irish	(1) ?? maybe
    
    
    Cheers Keith

    There was a piece about Torrance in the papers at the weekend.
    
    As I remember, he picked up a bizarre injury a couple of weeks ago when
    he "walked into a flower pot", or something like that after a
    competition (can't remember the exact details). I think he had bruised
    ribs or something and he pulled out of the next couple of events to
    recover.
    
    The article had a lot of speculation about whether Gallacher would pick
    him or not as a wild card if he got overtaken on the list while he was
    recovering.
    
    Paul

    Has he a drinking problem!!!
    
    Or 
    
    just bad sight, must be terribly unlucky to be picked on by a "flower
    pot" as you their really vicious arn't they. 
    
    Sort of player you need to bring the "pot" back to this side of the 
    water. As you can see there is no prejudice in our team selection.
    
    Cheers Keith
    
    C

    Although The Belfry seems nice, IMO there's a whole hell of a lot of
    courses in the British Isles that are much better - and steeped in
    tradition worthy of this event. Perhaps the course is like our TPC
    courses, and was selected to let the British PGA (whatever) make some
    cash. I don't think this was what Sam Ryder had in mind...
    
    __Jack 

    
      Jack, I disagree about the course selection.  For the Ryder Cup, they
      could play on any course.  What makes this event unique is the player
      against player, team against team competition.  
    
          Augusta National  *is* the Masters
          A windswept Links course *is* the British Open
          The players are the Ryder Cup
    
    -rick

Article: 3125
From: [email protected] (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.sports.top
Subject: Ryder Cup star Bernard Langer suffers pain in neck
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 9:51:59 PDT
 
	CRANS-SUR-SIERRE, Switzerland (UPI) -- With the Ryder Cup matches only
three weeks away, Bernhard Langer, one of Europe's key players was
forced to withdraw from the European Masters Thursday with a stiff neck.
	A flareup of Langer's recent neck problems left Europe with two of
their stars questionable for the matches that will be played Sept. 24-26
at The Belfry Golf Club in Sutton Coldfield, England. The Europeans will
be trying to regain the Ryder Cup from the United States, which won it
two years ago.
	In addition to Langer's problems, European team member Sam Torrance
has been nursing a badly bruised sternum.
	Langer, who first began to complain of the neck problems prior to the
U.S. Open in June, withdrew Thursday in the opening round after seven
holes.
	``It started coming back at the end of last week and, although I've
been having treatment, it's got worse every day,'' said Langer, 36. ``I
really don't know how long it will be before I'm fully fit again. I
can't look into the future, but in June it took three or four weeks to
be better.
	``Nobody is sure what it is and I don't know how I did it. I was
examined and my vertebrae were out of place, so the nerves were pinched
and it got inflamed.
	``I'll fly home now and get more treatment from a specialist. It's a
big disappointment because I've been playing so well.''
	If either Langer or Torrance cannot play, Ronan Rafferty would be
added to the European team. And if both of them were knocked out, Mark
Roe would become the second substitute.
	``Hopefully we will not need anybody on stand-by at The Belfry,''
Langer said. ``But if the match had been today, I would not have played.
''
--
--

    What a great competition!  I am envious of any of you who can make it
    out to the Belfry to watch the matches.
    
    Please keep us all informed as the latest news.

    
    	Hello Jack, and Rick and Anybody else
    
    	While I agree with both your sentiments in .15 /.16 that wasn't
    	the question that I was asking, which was, should and could the
    	Ryder Cup when played over here be played in other countries rather
    	than just England, the obvious answer is yes, but would there be 
    	the finacial backing and support/interest anywhere else????
    
    	On the injury front: 
    	We could probably replace Sam (no disrespect to him meant) but
    	it will be a big loss if we lose Bernie lets hope he fit eh?
    	
    	With Langer suspect (maybe) he won't be able to rewrite history and
    	hit the winning putt for Europe this time that will be a shame as
    	I'm sure that putt in the US last time still haunts him.
    
    	Now its the weekend
    	Cheers Keith

    The format does make the Ryder Cup unique, and yes, they could play it
    at Green Meadow, and it would still be the Ryder Cup. I merely suggest
    that the RC deserves a great golf course, with a history befitting the
    importance of the event. I'd sure as hell rather see it at Sunningdale
    (Old), Portmarnock or Carnoustie than the Belfry, or at Shinnecock
    Hills, Merion or Olympic than Kiawah island. Don't get me wrong, Kiawah
    was Double-tough, and the course interested me, but let's put this
    event on a course that has value established over time.
    
    As far as having it in Europe (IMO), forget it! They shouldn't have
    changed the damned rules to begin with! Sure, it makes the British side
    more competitive, may have even "saved" the event, but I despise the
    growing tendency to keep "improving" things like this to suit
    somebody's idea of what's better. 
    
     I dunno, maybe Sam Ryder stipulated it could change at the discretion
    of others, could be. Hey, let's let the South Americans, Canadians and
    Australians play for the U.S., and draw lots for the South Africans...
    
    __Jack

    Great, incisive article on the Ryder Cup in this month's Golf Digest,
    written by Johnny Miller.  Also included, is a profile of each player
    (Miller on the Americans and Alliss on the Brits/Europeans).  Some
    interesting bits of strategy and potential match-ups for the Cup.  What
    to look for, and what you don't see.  (e.g. Seems as though Azinger and
    Seve played quite a match in the past where each tried to rock the
    other's game.)  Some other bits that countered with past incidents of
    great sportsmanship.  Apparantly, there is more pressure to play for the
    Cup for personal pride and 'for the team' than any of the Majors.
    
    What a great event, I envy all of you who can get out to see the Cup.
    

	Yeah, the Ryder Cup articles are interesting.  Here's a part
	that really surprised me - it concerns making that final
	putt to win or lose...

	"The second occasion was in 1953 at Wentworth when all Britain
	needed was one point in either of the closing two matches.
	First Peter Alliss and then Bernard Hunt in turn folded under
	the pressure, each missing short putts on the last hole.  The
	former gave rise to the well-known expression

	"Nice putt, Alliss".

    
    .22
    
    I do not recall the names of Peter or Bernards opponents in 1953
    however I do remember one of the greatest moments in sport which far
    exceeds any missed putt that being Jack Nicklaus conceding a putt on 18
    for a half to Tony Jacklin.
    
    Bernard Gallagher recently wrote "I would like to think I could walk on
    the 18th and concede a putt like the one Bernard Langer had rather than
    see someone miss"
    
    Stiil it should all be over by 15 this year !
    
    Come on you Euro's 
    
    

    
    Getting closer by the minute,,
    
    Whats the weather forecast this weekend in England or specifically,
    the Midlands..
    
    Is Langer fit or not as I heard at the weekend that Rafferty is standing 
    by for him, whats the situation now??
    
    Here's to a great tournament
    
    Cheers Keith

    Weather forecast isnot too good, giving rain up to Wednesday at least.
    Hopefully it will brighten up later in the week.
    
    Langer fit and raring to go.
    
    All tickets for including those for practice days are sold out.
    
    Avril (being golfing only 12 weeks, just finishing my second set of
    lessons tonight)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: U.S. Ryder Cup team (Was: Floyd's Ryder Cup record)
Sender: [email protected] (News Administrator)
Organization: NAS/NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 00:14:29 GMT
 
 
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Fred Tormala) writes:
 
>I saw a short bio of each USA Ryder Cup team member that had
>Raymond Floyd as 9-15-3 (win-loss-tie) in lifetime matches.
>Is that accurate?  I figured he'd have a winning record.
>Sorry, can't remember exactly where I saw it.  Might have been
>in the copy of Golfweek in our pro shop.
 
Yep that's his record.  Amazingly enough many of his Ryder cup 
appearances came when the U.S. dominated Ryder Cup competition.
Both Lanny Wadkins and Floyd have competed in 7 Ryder Cups but 
Lanny's record is 18-10-2.
 
Following is some bio on the U.S. Ryder Cup team from Golf World Magazine:
I'll post the European team in another post.
 
Tom Watson  
Captain
Birthplace:  Mission Hills, KS Age: 44  Turned Pro: 1971
Money in 93: $342,023   Career:  $6,370,950 Victories: 32 
Ryder Cup Appearances:  1977, 1981, 1983, 1989 Ryder Cup Record: 10-4-1
 
Paul Azinger
1st in Ryder Cup points
Birthplace:  Bradenton, Fl.  Age: 33  Turned Pro: 1981
Money in 93:  $1,326,869   Career:  $6,529,719   Victories: 11
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1989, 1991   Ryder Cup Record: 5-4-0
 
Fred Couples
2nd in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: South Andros, Bahamas  Age: 33 Turned Pro: 1980
Money in 93:  $605,479  Career: $6,072,394  Victories: 10 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1989, 1991 Ryder Cup Record: 3-3-1
 
Tom Kite
3rd in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: Austin, TX  Age: 43 Turned Pro:  1972
Money in 93:  $774,311 Career: $8,387,229 Victories:  19 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1979, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989
Ryder Cup Record: 13-7-4
 
Lee Janzen
4th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: Kissimmee, FL.  Age: 29 Turned Pro: 1986
Money in 93: $867,040  Career: $2,023,547  Victories: 3 
Ryder Cup Appearances: None  Ryder Cup Record:  None
 
Corey Pavin
5th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace:  Orlando, Fl Age: 33 Turned Pro: 1982
Money in 93: $559,831  Career: $4,813,882 Victories:  10
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1991 Ryder Cup Record: 1-2-0
 
Payne Stewart
6th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: Orlando, FL Age: 36 Turned Pro: 1979
Money in 93: $844,475  Career: $6,239,173  Victories: 7 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1987, 1989, 1991 Ryder Cup Record: 5-6-1
 
John Cook
7th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace:  Rancho Mirage, CA Age: 35  Turned Pro: 1979
Money in 93:  $293,011   Career:  $3,795,942 Victories: 6 
Ryder Cup Appearances:  None  Ryder Cup Record: None
 
Davis Love III
8th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: Sea Island, GA Age: 29 Turned Pro: 1985
Money in 93: $467,294  Career: $3,727,908  Victories: 7 
Ryder Cup Appearances: None  Ryder Cup Record: None
 
Chip Beck
9th in Ryder Cup points
Birthplace:  Fayetteville, N.C.  Age: 37  Turned Pro: 1978
Money in 93:  $524,285  Career: $5,225,542  Victories: 4
Ryder Cup Appearances:  1989, 1991 Ryder Cup Record: 4-2-1
 
Jim Gallagher Jr.
10th in Ryder Cup Points
Birthplace: Greenwood, MS. Age: 32  Turned Pro: 1983
Money in 93: $499,918  Career: $2,621,770 Victories: 2 
Ryder Cup Appearances: None   Ryder Cup Record:  None
 
Ray Floyd
Captain Selection
Birthplace: Miami, FL Age: 51 Turned Pro: 1961
Money in 93: $126,516  Career: $5,033,996 Victories: 22 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1969, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 9-15-3
 
Lanny Wadkins
Captain Selection
Birthplace:  Dallas, TX Age: 43 Turned Pro: 1971
Money in 93: $224,767  Career: $5,857,480 Victories: 21 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1977, 1979, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 18-10-2
 

Article: 6822
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: [email protected] (Dan King)
Subject: European Ryder Cup Bio's
 
Sender: [email protected] (News Administrator)
Organization: NAS/NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 15:02:10 GMT
 
Bernard Gallacher
Captain
Country: Scotland  Age: 44 Turned Pro: 1967
Career:  479,980 Victories:  14
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1969, 1971, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1983
Ryder Cup Record:  13-13-5
 
Bernard Langer
1st Order of Merit
Country: Germany  Age: 36 Turned Pro: 1972
Money in 93:  365,494 Career: 3,198,594  Victories: 29 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1981, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 11-9-5
 
Nick Faldo
2nd Order of Merit
Country: England  Age: 36  Turned Pro: 1976
Money in 93:  379,820  Career: 3,837,820  Victories: 29 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1977, 1979, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 17-12-2
 
Colin Montgomerie
3rd Order of Merit
Country: Scotland  Age: 30  Turned Pro: 1987
Money in 93:  331,139  Career:  1,733,584 Victories: 3 
Ryder Cup Appearances:  1991 Ryder Cup Record: 1-1-1
 
Costantino Rocca
4th Order of Merit
Country: Italy  Age: 37  Turned Pro: 1981
Money in 93:  337,083 Career:  842,142 Victories: 3
Ryder Cup Appearances: None Ryder Cup Record: None
 
Barry Lane
5th Oder of Merit
Country:  Age:  Turned Pro:
Money in 93:   Career:  Victories: 
Ryder Cup Appearances:  Ryder Cup Record:
 
Ian Woosnam
6th Order of Merit
Country: Wales  Age: 35 Turned Pro: 1976
Money in 93: 289,005  Career: 3,383,581  Victories: 22
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 8-10-3
 
Peter Baker
7th Order of Merit
Country:  England  Age: 25 Turned Pro: 1986
Money in 93: 345,989  Career: 753,082  Victories: 4
Ryder Cup Appearances: None  Ryder Cup Record:  None
 
Mark James
8th Order of Merit
Country: England  Age: 39 Turned Pro: 1975
Money in 93: 278,397  Career: 1,862,709  Victories: 16
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1977, 1979, 1981, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 7-11-1
 
Sam Torrance
9th Order of Merit
Country: Scotland  Age: 40 Turned Pro: 1970
Money in 93: 296,721  Career: 2,023,323  Victories: 18
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1981, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 4-12-5
 
Seve Ballesteros
Captain Selection
Country: Spain  Age: 36  Turned Pro: 1974
Money in 93: 56,452  Career: 3,241,977 Victories: 51 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1979, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991
Ryder Cup Record: 17-8-5
 
Joakim Haeggman
Captain Selection
Country: Sweden  Age: 24 Turned Pro: 1989
Money in 93:  264,715  Career: 470,938 Victories: 3 
Ryder Cup Appearances:  None  Ryder Cup Record: None
 
Jose Marie Olazabal
Captain Selection
Country:  Spain Age: 27 Turned Pro: 1985
Money in 93: 215,988  Career: 2,404,085 Victories: 13 
Ryder Cup Appearances: 1987, 1989, 1991  Ryder Cup Record: 10-3-2
 
 

    
    
    Bad news guys the start is delayed due to fog. The fog is expected to
    clear between 9 and 10 giving an hour or two delay, this could mean
    finishing the afternoon games saturday. I am in Basingstoke an you can
    see not further than a 8 iron.
    
    We are expecting a lot of rain over the weekend especially sunday I
    understand.

    
    
    Langer and Woosie 5up after 7
    
    James and Torrance 1 down after ?
    
    Faldo and Monty 1 up  after ?
    
    2.5 hour delay.
    
    

Just heard that Seve & Olazabal(sp?) are 1 down.

Anyone have any further news on the rest ?

Nige.

Heard on BBC that Flaodo and Montie and Langer and Woosie won morning 
matches. Kite and Love and Wadkins and Pavin won theirs. Stands 2-2 
going into this afternoon's fourball.

The game's on!

Re last..

You beat me to it.

As far as I can recall -----  James & Torrence lost (cant remember score)

                               Langer & Woosnam won 7 & 5

                               Seve & Olazabal lost 2 & 1

                               Faldo & Montgomery won 4 & 2

Nige.

    I heard Lanny Wadkins was kickin' some foreign butt, too.
    
    __Jack

    Hey 7 and 5 .....now that's butt kickin'
    
    Graham

    Re: .32
    
    Hey a 7 & 5 defeat, that's ass kickin', maybe ye should leave grand
    pappa's at home in retirement.... silly old fool!!!! Watson????
    
    Gabriel

    That's excitement!  Its a shame that such excellent play had to yield a
    loser.  But since there had to be one, I'm glad its not us. The brits
    in this conference had rather large heads at the start and I couldn't
    stand to hear from them if they seized victory.

    
    This was the best golfing weekend I can remember bar one thing, the
    result, having said that however the best team over the 3 days won fair
    and square, Congratulations.
    
    

    Great golf, roller coaster ride for your emotions (american and
    european), but in the end the better players held their nerve when the
    going got really tough. Well done America.

    I totally agree with the last few notes and well done to the American 
    team.I think that the better players held there nerve on the day.
    
    
    
    dav

    
    This was a very exciting Ryder Cup.  6 of the singles matches went to
    the 18th hole.  Faldo was the best player of the match. Peter Baker
    is definitely going to be a force on the U.S. tour should he decide
    to come over.  25 years old with nerves of steel. 
    
    Best shot - Faldo's ace on the 14th hole.
    
    Turning point of the match -  Beck and Cook vs Faldo and Montie.
    
    Phil

    Although the European crowd showed favoritism (that's ok), their
    sportsmanship and professionalism far exceeded the American crowds at
    Kiawa two years ago.  Let's hope the American crowds do not sink as low
    as the Dog Pound in Cleveland's Football stadium come 1995 when the
    Ryder Cup will be played at I believe Oak Hill??
    
    Michael Eck - Cincinnati, Ohio
    
    P.S. To our European collegues,  I got to play Woburn last summer at
    both the Duke and Duchess.  What a place.....What a day....

    re.41
    
    One additional piece of information on Peter Baker, which may not have
    been reported on the other side of the pond (it was kept secret over
    here until today). Apparently both he and his wife spent an anxious
    night before the final day with their baby daughter who was rushed to
    hospital with suspected meningitis. Baker returned to his hotel room in
    the early hours of the morning only managing to grab a couple of hours
    sleep and only feeling able to play when his wife and daughter returned
    to the hotel before play was due to start (it was a "scare" caused by a
    viral infection).
    
    With this in mind, I think it makes his performance against one of the
    toughest match-play golfers in the world, even more impressive. I hope
    his personal success in this years Ryder Cup, acts as a springboard to
    a great career.
    
    One last footnote, the whole drama around Baker's daughter, apparently
    pulled both European and American teams together, in their shared
    concern for her safety. The effort that a number of the Americans in
    particular, went to, in offering support to the Baker's, was by all 
    accounts very touching. 
    
    It enabled the final day to be played in exactly the right spirit and
    allowed all the petty nonsense around insults etc. that the tabloids had 
    been stoking up all week, to be kicked well and truly into touch.
                   

    I am delighted to see Americans showing some appreciation for the finer
    things in golf , although it's long over due in coming . The galleries
    at the Belfry have brought the game back up from the depths it reached
    at kiawah in 1991 so it's time America cleaned up its act. Outside of
    this congrats have to be given to the American team they played a
    tremendous match. Here's one European looking for revenge at the World 
    Matchplay and also at Augusta next April.

    Although a devoted European supporter I think Europe beat themselves
    not yesterday but three years ago when the Belfry was choosen as the
    venue . The powers thats be picked a course too familiar to the
    Americans which let them relax .I can safely say they would not relax 
    if they had to play at Galway bay golf & country club when the wind
    picks up . When picking a RYDER CUP venue you should choose one that
    will upset the opposition the PGA did not do this. Lets hope the PGA 
    Reward Ireland for the exploits of Christy O CONNOR SNR AND JNR ,Eammon
    D'arcy , David Feherty , Ronan Rafferty.

    
    
    Over the last 10 years the Belfry has really grown on me as a venue for
    the Ryder Cup. I think for the European event every 4 years we need
    look no further. The Belfry offers great entertainment for the
    spectators and a great challenge for the golfers, it is ideal for
    matchplay.
    
    10 and 18 are great holes for matchplay.......do ya feel lucky ?
    
    Leigh

    Well the earliest possible return to the Belfry will be 2001, since the
    next European Ryder Cup event will be staged in Spain (location yet to
    be confirmed); in honour of Sir Sevriano Ballesteros MBE etc.

Also remember the next 2 ryder Cups will be shown on Sky Sports and not 
BBC/RTE. This is definetly going to affect the interest in the event when the 
majority of people will not be able to see the event. Are the PGA not making
enough money already with ticket prices (35 pounds) and TV revenue and 
sponsorship from Johnny Walker.

Rgds
Mike

>>                -< Fabulous golf...

Ditto!

>>    Best shot - Faldo's ace on the 14th hole.
    
I agree.  It is too bad that Floyd's 14th near-ace will not be as well
remembered.

Joe

    I was on the road traveling during the Ryder Cup 2 years ago and was
    unable to stay up to date.  Could anyone tell me what happened with the
    crowd that was so bad and what is this about Woosnam's wife?
    
    thanks for an update
    john

     Congrats to BOTH sides for a match well played, and worthy of an event
    of this magnitude. The Ryder Cup and Walker Cup are HUGE to me, like
    The Open and the U.S. Open.
    
     The Belfry is a fine course, but it really is American-like. Hell, I
    saw more water there than I have combined in 20 rounds or so in
    Scotland/Ireland (unless you count the ocean - which is everywhere. The
    event desrves an established venue.
    
     Peter Baker can flat-out ROLL it! Lots of great play, and hats off to
    Rocca for coming back as far as he did. I still think Wadkins should
    have played. Was it a clear victory ? Yes. Was it a "Project Beating, a
    Housing Authority Beating, a Ghetto Beating ?" No. I loved the event,
    and was sweating bullets early on Sunday...
    
    __Jack

    i recall reading that when the ryder is played in
    europe, they play a u.s. style course and when
    it is played in u.s., they played a british style
    course.
    
    what happened to home course advantage?
    why wouldn't you choose a course that
    fits your style of play?  
    
    puzzled ;-0

    
    
      First, I have to say Congratulations to the U.S. team. as well as
    the Europeans.  There were many fine moments throughout the entire play
    that will only benefit the game of golf.  In general (only seeing it on
    the tube) that the crowds really enjoyed themselves and were well
    mannored.
    
    I viewed many fine moments of sportsmanship on both sides.  There were
    only a few accounts of questionable "golf etiquette" on each team.
    
    Now, bias comment.  If someone had told me on Saturday morning that the
    USA would retain the cup...well, let's just say I would'nt have bet
    alot of money on them.  Right, wrong or in-different the USA showed
    some real gutt checks in the final round to pull it off.
    
    Best golf I viewed in along time!
    
    Bob

    
    I wasn't able to see the Cup this weekend; did anyone videotape it?
    
    /jim
    

    The best golf for years, i thought i heard someone say some of the
    Euros choke, name names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Fore left!!!!!!!!!!!!WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    	Okay, who's going to head out to Rochester and Oak Hill for the 
    95 Ryder Cup? When time rolls around, I'll definitely have to think
    about it...

Jack,
	I think Wadkins sitting out helped the U.S. team.  Lanny probably figured I've been
to many Ryder Cups and was a captains choice pick.  So by volunteering to sit he gave some of
the younger americans a little boost of confidence. It also gave the team something to rally
around, Let's win for Lanny.
	IMO the key player in the Ryder cup was Chip Beck. On Saturday he almost single handedly
beat Faldo/Montgomerie. Yes, he was teamed with John Cook, but Cook struggled on the back
side during a tough match. Then on Sunday to come from 3 down with 5 to play, unbeliveable.

Ron

    Lots to think about. Last year I vociferously upbraded Beck for not
    going for the green on number 15 at The Masters. In retrospect, whether
    he won or lost the Masters is important only to Beck himself - it was
    his choice. But when he played for his country, he was an absolute MESS
    (Amero-speak for someone who is double tough, or a very strong
    competitor). I'm back on the Beck-Wagon.
    
    Although I hate the guy (Seve) in Ryder Cups, because he absolutely
    KILLS us, seems arrogant and employs a touch of gamesmanship, I felt
    sorry for him on Sunday. That was not the REAL Seve, and I'm not taking
    anything away from Jim Gallagher - he played well enough to win anyway.
    I hope folks won't remember Seve as he was in this Cup, but as he has
    been over time - one of the true greats  - and I say that from my
    heart! Bernard Gallacher knew Seve was off his form, but he still thought 
    Seve could "suck it up" for one last hurrah on Sunday - and if I were
    Gallacher, I'd have done the same thing.
    
    Langer also was a bit off, but Kite played wonderfully. Has anyone ever
    seen Mark James and Sean Connery in the same room... Azinger was
    inconsistent, as was Couples. Janzen conceded a putt (very sportingly)
    on 18 that I'd have liked to seen the other guy make... Rocca's putt on
    17 was a HELL of a lot easier than Langer's putt at Kiawah. I'd like to
    see the Cup played at Portmarnock, Royal Portrush or Royal County Down,
    although the last 2 have kind of weak finishing holes. County Down is
    the best I've ever seen.
    
    I'm gonna try and play Oak Hill before the Cup matches - maybe next
    year, and if I do, I'll file a report.
    
    __Jack

    Great match! The best team won. I wouldn't say Faldo was the best
    player out there... what'd he get 1/2 point! Don't forget the Zinger
    tied him head/head on Sunday. Maybe Flado didn't get much help in
    doubles... What a great ace ! But the Zinger cam right back the next
    hole to birdie and take the the hole. The Zinger sank a nice putt
    on 18 for the tie.
    
    	Jerry
    

    
    I have seen alot about Beck's great comeback to save the day, and
    I must admit after his screw up in the Masters (they even commented
    on it during the Ryder cup), I have little respect for him.  With
    that in mind, I don't think his comeback on Sunday was all that 
    much to do with him. He was 3 down with 5 to go and caught up. 
    How? The other guy bogeyed 3 holes. Beck parred them. Sure he handled
    the pressure to make par, but these guys should be making par with
    their eyes closed.  Was it a good performance? Yes.  Did he catch
    up because he turned it on and played great? No. The other guy
    lost it under the pressure.  Give Beck credit for hanging in, but
    he still has not shown the instinct to make it big.  Even his
    post match interview gave me this impression. He said something to
    the effect of he just wanted to hang in and wait for the other 
    guy to leave the door open. At that point he should have been 
    firing for the flag and getting birdies, not counting on the other
    guy to make bogey.  Same as the masters. "I will just be safe and hope
    he falls down".
    
    Great cup matches. I only saw Sunday, but I enjoyed it alot.
    
    --Bob
    

    Interesting how different people see the same event and reach a
    different conclusion.
    
    It would seem to me that the success of the strategy that beck used in
    ryder cup affirms his strategy in the masters.  especially in that it
    is consistent.
    
    I have seen many successful competitors in all the sports favor a
    strategy of patient, consistent play, putting pressure on the opponent
    and capitilizing on mistakes.
    
    Beck probably did make a tactical error in masters but more in
    judgement than in nerve.
    
    bill

Re. -2

The 18th for Azinger would have been completely different if he had to get 
get a half. The pressure situation was completely different, he was
fighting was personal pride as opposed to the whole team depending him on 
for a point. Make no mistake, he had a good Ryder Cup but he has a long way to
go before he'll be able to match Faldo for consistency and excellence.

Rgd
sMike

    ref.50
    The reason we Europeans look back negatively on the events at Kiawah in
    1991 is that when a drive is badly in to the rough it should not
    re-imerge back on the fairway re( hale Irwin on 18 v's langer). The
    difference honesty is alive in Eurpoe,and not a myth like it is in America.
          The reference to Woosie's wife at Augusta in 1991 was a subtle
    attempt to show disgust at the gestures and general bad manner
    displayed towords her while following her husband to victory ,it's
    a pity you Americans can't take defeat as good as you can take victory.
    I found the smile on Tom Kite's face rather revoulting compared to the 
    sour and and unsporting visage he displayed at the same venue on defeat
    in 1989. WHY BEHAVE LIKE THERE AT THE SUPERBOWL DESPITE WHY SPORTING
    EVENT THEY ATTEND?????

    I thought Tom Kite did well in 89 he was interviewed , how many of
    the losing Europeans were interviewed, no Roca no Lane no Seve.
    
    Cory Pavin is called a bad sport but Heagman is not double standards.
    
    Matchplay head to head always brings passion out, players get steamed
    up,well done USA you won we lost , it was a brilliant game.
    
    Sour grapes is a terrible thing, dont eat them.
    
    Its a pity its not every year!
    
    Fore right

    Re - couple back
    
    The Zinger matched him *that* day. Who knows what would/could/should
    happen *if*... The Zinger *did* birdie the next hole after the ACE,
    when it appeared at that point the US *needed* Zinger's point. Nick
    really didn't play/putt his best either on this one/one match. Nick
    and the Zinger have had subtle words over the years. BOTH wanted that
    win *bad*, so a tie maybe was appropriate.
    
    re - 1.. Say what? 'The difference honesty is alive in Eurpoe,
     and not a myth like it is in America'??? What you mean.. did
    someone kick the ball back into the fairway? Or should all courses
    be the same?
    
    	Jerry
    

    Re: a couple back, also - I sure don't approve of some of the Kiawah
    Island fan activities, but I think those morons were just people who
    went to see an event - like a rock concert - not people who understood
    golf. As far as the "honesty lives (only) in England," and the
    implication that British fans act appropriately, do the words "soccer"
    and "bovver" ring a bell ? Over here, we don't have to ban fans from
    one city from attending a sporting event in another city, or from our
    country to another country - at least, not yet... No offense, but let's
    say we want to have a World Cup Match in a neutral city, like Milan,
    involving the Scottish team and a team from, say, Holland. Two  
    countries that are undoubtedly sophisticated and well behaved.
    Should be no problem, right ?
    
     I guess my point is that the previous response I mentioned was an
    overreaction, and one that was not very enlightened. I might have
    responded in kind with "yeah, and by the time you read this last
    paragraph, the sun just rose and set on the British Empire," but hey,
    we Colonials have to try to live down our bad "rep..." Whatever
    happened to Freddie Mercury and George Best - REAL role models ?
    
    __Jack

    ref.65
    No it was the sheer magnetism of the American crowd which brought the
    ball back to the fairway ???? I mean someone accidently got in the way
    of the ball's flight on purpose.
    ref.64
    I saw an interview with faldo after the defeat and no sour grapes were
    evident but you in America were probably on a commercial break.

    Give it a rest.  Its over.  The game was played.  And it is just a
    game.  One person may or may not have done something wrong.  That is
    never an excuse to paint an entire country by the same brush.
    
    Let's wait for the next one, and root our respective teams on!

    If anyone videotaped Sunday's matches and would let me borrow it I
    would be very grateful.  Please send mail at EMASS::MURPHY.
    
    Thanks,
    Dan

    
    Ref: .63
    
    I read that "we Europeans" were very badly behaved at Kiawah setting
    camp up around the 17th green and generally being rowdy. I cannot
    beleive any golfer of any nationality would support a ball being kicked
    from the rough, it is such a rare occurance it should be lost to all
    the best things in the match. (Faldo won a Euro tour event when his
    ball was thrown out 10 seconds after entering the gallary)
    
    as .63 we lost, they won, great match, great golf.
    
    By the way quote of the week for me from the BBC when Corey Pavin holed
    out from the fairway, "Corey SLAM DUNKIN that shot"
    
    
    Thats Nice
     

    Ref::.70
    You mentioned a Euro tour event please expand ,if you can that is?

    .71 Calm down, i bet you go ape when you miss a putt!!!!!
    
    
    It is only a game , supporters of all nations become rowdy and partisan
    and possibly cheat.
    All these things are normal for crowd behavior the human being acts
    in a more aggresive way when in a crowd ,FACT.
    
    Marches turn to riots, calm people do silly things like throw bricks
    when arrested they can not explain why, its the effect of the crowd.
    
    
    Its no nations fault , its a human trait.
    
    
    Fore left
    

    Ref.72
    I am in fact very calm on the golf course after all I do play of a 10
    handicap, and as for me needing to calm down ,judging by the jiberish
    you wrote in the 2nd paragragh it's you who needs to calm down after
    all this suppose to be about the Ryder cup , I don't know bricks and 
    riots entered the equation maybe it's the legacy of seeing too many 
    DIE HARD movies as a child.

    
    Ref .71
    
    What do you want me to expand on ?
    
    The make of ball ? pants he was wearing ?
    
    The fact is it happened.

    REF 73.
    
    
    Die Hard?
    
    Is that a 2 peice ball like a pinnacle.
    
    Jibberish is that a duffed chip or a 58 degree wedge.
    
    
    10 handicap thats good, if you were calmer you migt play to
    5 or lower.
    
    Have you ever seen Faldo throw a club?
    
    I thought we were talking crowd reaction not equipment
    like Dies, Hards, and Jibbers .
    
    Tell me does your jibber have a carbon shaft?

    REF.74
    I find this attempt at humor rather arid , if you bothered to read the
    heading it related to facts ,seeing you have difficulty in
    comprehension I will put it in SIMPLE English ,the facts requirred were
    1 the event 
    2 the course
    3 the year
    in which the fore mentioned event occured.

    Re.76
    
    Oooops don't really want to get involved in this personal fight, but I saw the
    incident on the BBC too.
    
    Can't remember the year (6-7 years ago I think). Not sure of the event
    (matchplay), the course (either Woburn oir Wentworth?). But the facts
    thereafter are clear, Faldo hits his drive to a par 3, overcooks it,
    bounces once on the green then bounces high into the gallery behind the
    green (in big trouble). Four or five second gap, then the ball
    re-appears from the gallery, into the centre of the green. Faldo wins
    the hole and despite hunting for the culprit he/she wasn't found. This
    was a British crowd at a European event , so I don't think we can blame
    the Americans this time...8-)
    
    By the way I'm English, so I hope this entry can't be construed as too
    Partisan.
    
    Let's let things lie, we got beat by the better team on the day - end
    of story.
    
    Graham

    I don't know what the significance of Faldo throwing clubs has to do
    with previous notes? With regard to the equipment you seemed to caught
    up with all the mod cons but where I come we have a saying that it's
    not the tools you have but the tradesman using them that makes a
    difference.

    .77
    
    You are correct in your facts about the Faldo v Irwin.
    
    It was the 14th at Wentworth a short Par 3 in the World
    Matchplay.
    
    I would think most golf fans could remeber this incident
    as you rightly say , a British crowd and American opponnont.
    
    
    Note .78
    
    We have a saying "If you cant stand the heat get out of the Kitchen"
    
    Fore right!!!

    Sorry About the Typo,s in 78!!
    

    Over here, when uncertain of a club into a green, guys sometimes select
    the stronger club, thinking that, worst case, it will hit someone and
    stop or come back. I've never heard anyone admit it, but I know it
    happens. I've also seen people in a crowd "direct" a mis-hit shot. If
    an official sees it, it is disallowed, but they miss this a lot. Only
    so many officials... Obviously, these folks are not golfers.
    
    I've said this before, but the most consistently polite and scrupulous
    observers of golf etiquette I've observed while playing are in Scotland
    and Ireland. No "BS," move right along, pleasant, etc. Wish more people
    here acted the same. The only place I've played overseas where the pace
    of play was bad was at Gleneagles, which was full of tourists...
    
    The comments I've read from overseas noters bear this out - y'all
    showed a lot of class with the equanimity with which you treat this
    event. It does you credit. When our turn comes (and it will - this
    event is now too close to predict), I hope we can be as graceful.
    
    __Jack  

    
    Ms Mcdonagh,
    
    Are you happy with ref: .77 or do you think we are both prevaricators ?
    I will still look it up in my golf manual (I think it was 14th at
    Wentworth v Hale Irwin).
    
    My attempt at humour is arid, I can live that, your attempt at
    international noting is ugly, in bad taste. I am gracious in defeat
    (off 36 you have to be).
    
    
    Leigh
    
    
    I think it was a right to left cross wind !
    
    
    Foouuuuuurrr

    REF.79
    This is the golf notes when I get the cooking notes location I will
    pass it on to you . Please stop changing the subject ,as I pointed out
    to you this is the Ryder Cup topic and entries should relate solely to 
    this so now I refuse to be sidetracked further into a slagging match
    with you , if you had read my entries you would see I did in fact
    extend congrats to America on their victory and only stated what 
    everyone was saying especially in Ireland after 1991, so I see no
    reason to apologise for it . 
    With reference to your subtle hint that I am not a golf fan ,since you 
    are a betting man (your notes before) I would bet that I was involved
    in playing and watching golf since before you were itching your daddy's
    pants.
    
    ARE 

    
    kids, kids, kids!  
    
    I get enough of this at home with my 3 and 5 year old, I don't need any
    more of it here!!
    
    enough.
    
        /jim
    
    

    
    	Notes> Add Entry Repair::Boxing
    

    RE.83  Pass it along....Cooks/Cooking and Recipes
    
                          TURRIS::COOKS
    
    -s-

    I must admit a bit of trepidation concerning adding anything to this
    note, however...
    
    I think it was Tom Watson who put it best by saying that 'Golf' was the
    real winner at the Ryder Cup.

    re - back a few about equipment...
    
    In the US we say... 'It's not the arrow.. it's the Indian'
    
    
    
    

    Never heard the one about the Indian.  I always thought...
    
    It's not magic wand...it's the magician.
    
    Anyway, really enjoyed the play last weekend.  Did not enjoy some of
    the replies in this notesfight...I mean notesfile.
    
    
    						JT

    
    
       Finally managed to gain access to this conference!!
    
      Last weekend I watched the best golf tournament ever. The golf
     over the 3 days was brilliant, with players from both sides playing
     some great stuff. Faldo's hole in 1, Pavin holing an 8-iron "on the
     fly", Olazabal holing from sand etc etc.
    
      At one point on the final day, I thought Europe were really going to
     win the match. Then, Barry Lane collapsed against Chip Beck and lost
     his game when 3 up with 5 to play. Had Lane won, Europe would have
     taken 4.5 points from the first 5 games and with a half point from
     Torrance would have been very hard to beat. In my mind, that was the
     turning point in the match, the Americans went from strength to
     strength and won quite convincingly in the end.
    
      Best players - Faldo, Monty, Woosnam and Baker from Europe.
     Pavin, Stewart, Floyd from the States.
      
      From a European point of view, maybe Torrance and Langer should have
     been replaced before the tourney started as neither were 100% fit and
     a fit Sandy Lyle and Ronan Rafferty would surely have won more points.
    
      A big surprise for me was the lack of form by Azinger and Couples who
     between them only managed 2 points from the games played. Not what
     you would expect from 2 of the worlds top players.
    
      Anyway, well done to the Americans, they played the better golf as a
     team over the 3 days and deserved to win the trophy. Hope the next
     match is as exciting for the fans as this one was.
    
      Danny. 

    Chip Beck deserves a hand for the pressure golf he played over two
    days.  Maybe he will finally live down the layup shot at Augusta!