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1568.1 | " No Chance" | MASALA::DMILNE | Let Mi Oot. | Mon Aug 10 1992 17:59 | 14 |
| There are a lots of disscusions whether the PGA should be a major or
not.???
Personally I think that any competition that has the top 75 or 100
in the world competing,should be a major..8>)
Here are my fav's for next week.......
1. Faldo.
2. Couples.
3. Lyle.
4. Love.
5. Daly
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1568.2 | It is a "major" - but maybe not the majorest...8') | COMET::PINAR | | Tue Aug 11 1992 17:23 | 15 |
|
It'll probably always "stay" a major...Unfortunetly, all majors can't
be ranked as "the best" or the "most important." So - the PGA happens
to be the one that has sort of fallen by the wayside. "Golf", being what
it is in respect to tradition, will probably always keep it as a major.
It is still looked upon as a major. John Daly wouldn't have gotten
near the recognition he has gotten had he won say the "Buick Open."
Good thing - too, IMO...
BP.
oh - my prediction...I'll go with Fred.
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1568.3 | | KOALA::DIAMOND | No brag, Just fact. | Tue Aug 11 1992 18:51 | 7 |
|
I think Tom Kite has a chance. I think he got past that
never-winning-a-major syndrome. He's been hitting the ball well this
year. But then again what do I know. I never watch the game (too
boring to watch). But I love to play.
Mike
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1568.4 | Daly is a disgrace | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 08:59 | 11 |
| The PGA is a toy town event the USPGA who know nothing about golf will
never let Daly win another they made it so long last yr he won easy
this yr it will be deep rough like Pebble Beach where the luckiest
golfer wins like Kite on the last day, not the best golfer.
I hope they have learnt thir lesson cos Daly is an embarrasment to
the game playing the last rd of the Masters in 1 hr 45 or something
golf is one of the last sports where people act in a correct manner win
or lose and that Berk is a disgrace.
Joe
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1568.5 | Was .4 in Ancient Sumerian ? | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Wed Aug 12 1992 10:04 | 3 |
| Huh ?
--Jack
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1568.6 | what he say? | INDEV1::GSMITH | I need two of everything | Wed Aug 12 1992 10:16 | 4 |
|
.4 ... say again?
Smitty
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1568.7 | gawd...... | COMET::PINAR | | Wed Aug 12 1992 10:40 | 6 |
|
ahem....anyway - ....as we were saying?
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1568.8 | Admit it its Micky Mouse golf | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 10:49 | 28 |
| Why do the USPGA trick up a course like Pebble Beach why are they so
concerned if the best golfers in the world shoot 10 under for 4 rds
i bet the PGA is a joke course as the US Open always is.
My point in note 4 is the PGA caught a cold they made it so long only
the longest of hitters had a chance last yr, for their trouble they
ended up with John (look at my Haircut) Daly as a Chmp or should
it be chump.
Was Tom Kite the luckiest at Pebble Beach or the best ?
The Open played at traditional links land is left as it always is not
made stupidly hard,
How about for next yrs US Open have a raffle to see who gets first
prize its like that anyway at present only they play golf and the
luckiest golfer wins.
I have played golf in Florida Kissimee Golf Course and California
Torrey Pines in San Diego and they are pathetic compared with British
Courses i have played.
Sunningdale
Wentworth
Royal Lythem
St Andrews
Downshire
Royal Ascot
and many more what about their HCP system laugh i nearly bought a
round!!!!!
Joe
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1568.9 | | DPDMAI::VENEZIO | Perfect Practice Makes Perfect | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:06 | 12 |
| Re .4 and last:
Granted Daly was long and was able to overpower the last PGA, but don't
forget who came in second. Kenny Knox. One of the shorter hitters on
tour.
Don't get carried away with the fact that Daly won because of his
length. Kenny Knox posted a score that would have one the last 10
PGA's. Daly had his moment and more power to him. He's immature and
will learn to handle it like everyone else does.
Ken
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1568.10 | Some sense out there | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:18 | 17 |
| What i meant by the length being wrong was a lot of the top players
just gave up , yes Kenny Knox did do well but i bet you the PGA dont
make a Major Championship course so long again.
There is more to the game of golf than power ,touch, imagination,
an ability to control the ball work it high work it low that is a true
champion.
Having said all that i hope i have not offended you American readers
i think a US based player will win cos its a US style course.
Its the worst Major though, in a pecking order its is
Open,US Open,Masters,...........US PGA.
John Cook should have won the Open he choked it was a shame that is the
worst thing to watch on a golf course no matter what nationality.
Joe
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1568.11 | ...Daly must have made some putts, eh? | COMET::PINAR | | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:24 | 23 |
|
.8
Jeez - I can understand your beef (to a certain extent) with some
of the various course set-ups - which is another topic, but why take
shots at Daly...? It isn't his fault. He's good for the game and
there should be no argument with that?!
If you want to bitch about course set ups fine...but, try to be
objective. If anything, most U.S. courses are being designed as
"target" golf courses...so, what the hell, when we have some tourney's
where somebody can go out there and knock the piss out of the ball
occasionally - more power to em'. By staying "objective", what I mean
is, if the course isn't set up for your favorite AUTOMATON European
player, then - oh well?...don't bitch about the "mickey mouse course."
They'll have THEIR time - somewhere else - at another major.
European's courses are *different*...not "better". Older...not "better".
etc...
Anyway - I think my point is...drive for show - and you know the rest!
BP
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1568.12 | To MR PINAR Personal Mail | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:39 | 22 |
| Sorry i did not realise that Ben Hogan had a charisma by pass did he or
did he not start Robotic Golf if you have played the game to any sort
of level which i doubt very much you would know how hard it is to hit
it in the fairway and on the green all the time, its boring to watch eh
you were not saying that when personality Watson won a few Majors
or interesting Irwin had a few good yrs.
I bet you have never broke 90 round a pitch and putt and with your
attitude i am not suprised.
Get some salt for that Chip on your shoulder.
I bet you get depressed when you hit it in the fairway time after time,
the US Open was a fun thing to watch eh.
Dont you think they should have cheerleaders on the greens to liven it
up Hot dog stands in the bunkers.
Its Golf not Disney Land
Joe
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1568.13 | where am I? | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | | Wed Aug 12 1992 11:53 | 10 |
|
I think Razor Ruddock will kick Lennox Lewis's butt all
around the ring and when he's done with him he'll...
...hunh? this ain't Boxing notes ??
Sorry, gentlepersons
Tom
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1568.14 | And you know what - I can hit'm 300 yards...8') | COMET::PINAR | | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:04 | 13 |
|
o.k....for the record...I haven't broke 90 since I was probably 16.
I usually break the 80's -- and when I play more than one time a week,
I am usually in the low seventies....
Now that I've unzipped my pants, does that make my opinion any more
valued to you?
Didn't think so -
Please, let's get back to the topic.
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1568.15 | Show respect | WALTA::LENEHAN | par-taking in par making | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:10 | 13 |
|
HI Everyone,
Ok ... this notesfile has been around a few years and has
survived quite pleasantly without name calling or disrespect
for fellow noters. If you have any personal problems, keep
them personal... send the person mail and have at it .
Please allow the other noters their peace.
thanks
Mr Moderator
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1568.16 | Ya Gotta Love It... | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:19 | 30 |
| Wow ! Just when the notes are startin' to get benign... I've gotta
admit that I love the Scottish and Irish courses (never been to
Britain) - probably in general better than many in the U.S. BUT - think
about how great courses evolve. In the U.K., designers of old had
"linksland" to work with, so they designed some terrific links courses.
Donald Ross grew up at Dornoch (a jewel of a links), then comes over
here and designs great "parkland" courses, because that's what he had
to work with. Consider his genius by contrasting Pinehurst with, say,
an Oakland Hills or Oak Hill - two completely different kinds of
courses, yet all are great.
There's something about a great course that is unforgettable, be it
links or parkland, and I suggest that we're missing something by
advancing one type at the expense of the other. To our pal from across
the pond, I'd say "play Merion or Olympic, then play Royal County Down
or Turnberry. Think about how much you liked each (and I'm sure you'd
like 'em all), then ask yourself why you'd want to disparage any of 'em
because they didn't fit a stereotype ?"
Back to the PGA - my heart is with Greg Norman, but I think Couples has
a great shot. Faldo is on top of his game, too. FWIW, I think John Daly
gets a lot of bum raps. Sure, he's a young guy who got rich quick, and
who among us hasn't made youthful indiscretions. I like him because
he's human - he gives a lot back to golf, and he gives of himself to
the fans. Let's see, likes ladies, likes a beer or three, likes to have
fun and play fast, likes to hit it as hard as he can, likes people...
Gee, sounds a hell of a lot better than most athletes. Wonder if he
ever heard of Georgie Best ?
--Jack
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1568.17 | Tour Pro Pinar | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:28 | 13 |
| Sorry Mr Pinnar you need the Hogwash dept, i think you might head it up
already.
Any guy that has to say(Say being the operative word) how good he is
i am not sure about, i bet you caught whoppers when you went fishing.
Digital must sure pay you well cos there are millions of Dollars
waiting for you on the tour, there is one draw back you would have
to play 4 times a week and people would count your scores, and
that would blow your cover no.
Joe
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1568.18 | I've About Run Out O' Patience... | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:40 | 4 |
| O.K., O.K., .17, how does "Read Only" sound ? Buy some sticks with your
Berlitz refund...
--Jack
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1568.19 | Enough is enough ! | LARVAE::MOSSMAN_M | Never let the kettle boil dry | Wed Aug 12 1992 12:42 | 9 |
| Come on, Joe, give it a rest !!
I don't know whats upset you so much but theres no need to take it out
on innocent readers of this notes file - particularly someone 3000
miles away.
Why not just leave it alone for now.
Michael.
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1568.20 | Mike Calm Down | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Wed Aug 12 1992 13:24 | 18 |
| Calm down Mike it is only a Joke , dont be so sensitive,
There is a saying that goes 'Last time i saw a moouth that big it had
a hook in it'
I am only trying to get a few opinions on the game going back and forth
their game is very much different to ours, its nice to hear peoples
veiws no matter how obscure.
I apoligise to any one out their who is offended i am only voicing a
few opinions and trying to get some life injected into the notes.
Mike hows your game going well i hope and send my best regards
to Zella
Joe
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1568.21 | | TOLKIN::LWARE | | Wed Aug 12 1992 13:43 | 8 |
|
>> I am only trying to get a few opinions on the game going back and forth
>> their game is very much different to ours, its nice to hear peoples
>> veiws no matter how obscure.
Your being obnoxious.
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1568.22 | and now for something completely different | OAXCEL::SOMERS | | Wed Aug 12 1992 14:48 | 24 |
| Do I dare give my opionion here? Well, I survived the layoffs, so I
guess I can survive this notesfile.
Anyway, it seems that there is an important point not being discussed
here- What makes a major tournament a Major?
To me, one of the important things is trying to win under the pressure
of being told, "This is a major tournament and if you win you will be
considered among the finest golfers in the game today". In other words,
regardless of course length, setup and conditions, country, etc., the
PGA is definitely one of the majors because it has been classified a
major tournament, and therefore has much of the same pressures to win
as the British and US Opens and the Masters have.
It's like those that argue that the last US Open really wasn't so much
won by Kite as it was lost by the others. Well, the last time I
looked, they all played the same course on the same days in the same
conditions and with the same pressures. Kite managed it all and WON
the tournament and his first major.
As long as the strength of the field of players remains relative to the
other majors, I have no problem accepting the PGA as a major.
Gary
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1568.23 | Pickers vs Diggers | DENVER::TILLISON | | Wed Aug 12 1992 15:23 | 11 |
| The "PGA Championship" a MAJOR is being played on a LOOOONG course this
year. Bellerive CC near St. Louis is just a long as Crooked Stick but
not as forgiving. I believe the narrow fairways will prevent Daly from
repeating.
My pick is Jay Haas. He grew up close to there and has a knack for
playing zoysiagrass fairways. Jay doesn't take big divots and has
done well at other courses with zoysia fairways. (TPC at Avenel and
TPC at Southwind). My second choice is Steve Pate.
(The ball sits up on zoysia and pickers do better than diggers)
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1568.24 | | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Wed Aug 12 1992 15:39 | 21 |
| When we talk about "Majors," it's easy to get into "the sound of one
hand clapping." The selection was initially arbitrary, and was probably
done without regard to the strength of the field. Certainly neither the
Masters or PGA have fields as strong as the TPC (although the larger
amount of great foreign players in the former have changed this in
recent years). Still, as a traditionalist, I'm more interested in the
Masters and PGA than I am the TPC.
In truth, perhaps Bobby Jones won the "real" Majors - U.S. and British
Opens, U.S. and British Amateurs. Now THOSE are Major events -
regardless of the strength of the field. The amateur events are
downplayed by pro's today, but I think they are the very heart of golf.
I think I'd rather watch the NCAA's than the PGA, but I like 'em all.
Believe me, on this side of the pond, the British Open is considered a
VERY big deal. It's too bad so many of our guys place $$ and corporate
outings ahead of playing in "The Open." They rationalize the time, the
cost and the advantage foreign guys have, but if you want to be
considered "great," I think you have to play in the (British) Open.
Just my 2 cents...
--Jack
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1568.25 | Stroke V Match | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Thu Aug 13 1992 04:20 | 13 |
| Golfers, does any one out there feel perhaps the last Major of the year
should go back to its traditional Matchplay format, we have a Tourney
over here every October called the world Matchplay it creates
tremendous exitment cos its different, but in truth unless you are
signed with IMG you have little chance of making the line up.
Now would not the PGA be a more exiting event if it went to a Matchplay
format as it was in the bygone days.
What do ya fink
Joe
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1568.26 | See new topic | LARVAE::MOSSMAN_M | Never let the kettle boil dry | Thu Aug 13 1992 06:28 | 6 |
| I think this is an interesting thought Joe, but probably not exactly
relevant to the topic heading so I am starting a new topic to discuss
it.
Michael.
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1568.27 | team not individual major | DEVMKO::BLAISDELL | Rick, dtn 264-5414 | Thu Aug 13 1992 09:19 | 6 |
|
Why not a Ryder Cup type format every year, with the top players
from every country competing in best-ball, match play, alternate
shot type rounds?
-rick
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1568.28 | Yes, No, Maybe... | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Thu Aug 13 1992 10:38 | 26 |
| I would have left the PGA a match play format, because that's the way
it started. Naturally, there are two big problems:
1. It's much easier for an unknown to win it. That being said, Daly was
an unknown before last year. Also, the winner might not be playing the
best golf. Here's an example: Chip Beck beats Paul Azinger, Ray Floyd
and Nick Faldo before losing to Jeff Sluman (I know, I know, some of
these guys might not be in it this year, and there might not be that
many matches - it's just an example). Beck is -14 for the matches.
Rocco Mediate beats Wayne Levi, Don Pooley, Nick Price and Sam Sausage.
Mediate is -3. In the final, Sluman beats Mediate and is a total of -5
for all his matches. To me, Beck played better and against tougher
guys, but he's outta here. That doesn't happen in medal play.
2. How many spectators (at the course and on TV) and advertisers are
gonna be interested in a 2 man final (which could go only 10-11 holes,
leaving a LOT of "dead air time" for the TV network) - especially
involving Sluman and Mediate ? I like both guys, but we're not talking
exactly marquee names here.
On second thought, I changed my mind - medal play is better. Mr.
Moderator, please move this to a different note, if it doesn't fit
here...
--Jack
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1568.29 | Even the notes topic lost interest. | WOTVAX::MORRISON | | Fri Aug 14 1992 09:04 | 25 |
|
It's interesting. There is actually very little comment about
the USPGA tournament in this topic. That in itself speaks
volumes about the event. Its classed as a major, hence it is a
major.
I would be interested to know the difference between the USGA and
the USPGA, how the players qualify, a bit about the format, what
this zoysia grass is, etc ...
I'm afraid I don't know much about the event, and I'm stuck in a
hotel and haven't heard much about what's happening. For my
money, Nick Faldo is actually in top form at the moment. At
Muirfield he seemed to be so much happier with himself. Perhaps
there's a lesson there, and we should all get another interest
apart from golf.
However, from what little I do know, it appears that this event
seems to be good for relative un-knowns e.g John Daly. Why is
this ?
FWIW I would say someone like Fred Funk, or another good
jouney-man pro must stand a chance.
Randall
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1568.30 | impressions from yesterday's round | OAXCEL::SOMERS | | Fri Aug 14 1992 10:12 | 30 |
| Taped yesterday's coverage of the first round. Faldo, Kite, and Couples
were teamed up as a threesome. It was interesting to watch them play
with very different styles.
Faldo (-3) was very steady and accurate, very rarely in the rough off
the fairways, and from what I remember didn't play from the sand at
all. He looked and played confident.
Kite (even or +1) was also playing well until the last few holes, when
he double bogeyed the par 5 (hit the water going for the green on his
second shot) and bogeyed the last hole. Anyway, his game looked well
suited for the course.
Couples (-2) had probably the most up and down round of the day. He
started off bogeying the first hole, birdied the second, and then
triple bogeyed the third (par three, his is tee shot into the water,
and three putted). At that point, he got it together and birdied 5, 8
and 9 to get to Even, and then scrambled on the back nine, making some
very long putts for par and birdies on a par 3 and the par 5 (he was on
in two). He did not look very comfortable with his iron game. In
fact, on the par three that he birdied, he actually was upset with his
tee shot (that ended up about 3 feet from the hole) because he was
aiming for the middle of the green.
The greens they are playing are absolutely huge, and putts of 70-90
feet were common.
From what I saw, Faldo looks like the man to beat.
Gary
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1568.32 | | NEWPRT::JOHNSON_DO | | Fri Aug 14 1992 15:43 | 25 |
| As for DAly...he is still a beath of fresh air although not as fresh as
last year. It is still fun to watch him hit and people can really feel
for him when he fails...which has been often. He still does not get
paid for winning. Maybe when he is no longer a side show, he will be
able to win again. He has been close a few times this year.
As for a deserving champion, sometimes it is a survivor, other times a
gorilla and sometimes the favorite. All still deserving, especially if
you have played golf four days in a row and see how wide the variion
can be in your game from day to day.
As for the course, I think they should be forced to play tough courses.
Makes it more relative to common folk. The longer the better. They
should have one at the International from the Tiger tees (8300 yards).
Holes like number 10 should be regular (480 yd par 4) with a green
designed to accept short irons.
As for tricking up a course, what ever they want is OK. Make them
think and make the gamblers be rewarded for success. The gambler that
succeeds should always end up ahead of the plodder. The world and golf
is based on risk/reward (quite the opposite of Digital culture and
metrics). That why I like the tourney in Colorado and why I like
Norman and Seve and not the "clones".
SCD
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1568.33 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | | Mon Aug 17 1992 10:13 | 12 |
|
I thought Gary McCord was going to get yanked yesterday.
Didn't hear it exactly but Greg Norman said something about
his shots coming down from Pluto. McCord said "that's somewhere
near Uranus, isn't it?".
I loved it but if it was the Masters, he'd have been off the
show and never allowed back!!
What a riot!
Tom
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1568.34 | McCord, Daly, Si !!! | MRKTNG::VARLEY | | Mon Aug 17 1992 10:48 | 17 |
| I might be a "traditional" guy when it comes to reading old golf books
and my taste in golf courses, but I love Gary McCord. I met him once at
Farmington C.C. in Ct.(briefly - he was there with Frank Chirkinian and
Ken Venturi, who was taping a TV "Pro Pointer"), and he was super.
Watched him hit it off #1 - undistinguished - and enjoyed him
thoroughly.
As SCD says, although all those guys can PLAY, it's fun to watch the
more charismatic and risk-taking guys come through. I may be naive, but
I think Daly is terrific ! Who else would go play in a charity
tournament to raise money for a worthy cause, then write the charity a
cheque ? In effect, paying them for him to play ? He does things that
other guys oughtta do, but don't want to do - so there's a lot of
resentment toward him. Just my opinion, but we could use a few more
John Daly's...
--Jack
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1568.35 | Congrats Nick Price | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Mon Aug 17 1992 10:51 | 15 |
| Well done Nick Price a well deserved win , he has been sniffing around
Majors for a few yrs now so its nice he gets one.
So its been Fred Couples,Tom Kite of which both the experts said they
would never win majors ,Nick Faldo and finally Nick Price both are
pupils of David Leadbetter.
On that note has anybody out there tried to learn from the Leadbetter
school, Videos books etc, it seems e good method is it easy to learn
tell me the secret then perehaps i can sneak a win in a club
competition.
Joe
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1568.36 | PGA TRIVIA - OR NOT? | MR4DEC::DIAZ | Octavio, SME International | Mon Aug 17 1992 14:10 | 8 |
| Just some trivia the Boston Globe has today.
John Daly was able to play the PGA last year because Nick Price cancell
last minute due to wife having a baby. John then even took Price's
Caddy, which is the same one Price had this weekend (Forgot his name). I
guess that Caddy is going to be sought after!
Tavo
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1568.37 | | SALEM::DIFRUSCIA | | Mon Aug 17 1992 14:13 | 3 |
| The caddy is nicked named Sqeeky.
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1568.38 | Belated congratulations | FLYWAY::BELL | | Wed Aug 19 1992 04:21 | 24 |
| I would like to add my congratulations to Nick Price for his excellent
win. I just saw the tape of the final day last night, and was very
impressed with his second last shot. I understand he used a sand wedge
to just get the ball started out the rough and trickle it down to the
hole. That shot took a lot of nerve in my opinion, the variations on
what could have resulted from the shot, don't bear thinking about. He
played aggressively over the last two holes, and didn't try to play
safe, which I am sure we as viwers all enjoyed.
Nick Faldo was thereabouts as usual. As a Brit of course I'm happy he
did well, but I do wish he could be a bit more gracious on the course.
Two players who have impressed me enormously in the majors (other
than the winners of course) have been Gil Morgan and John Cook. Both
were very close to winning, both played loose shots at the wrong time,
but both players behaved incredibly well after seeing their chances
fade. No histrionics, no scowls, just a rueful shake of the head and a
sad smile. Perfect gentlemen both and a great credit to the American
tour.
I must say I have great regard for John Cook as a player. Having
gone so close on two occasions this year I hope to see him win a major
soon. I think he deserves it, and I sense that he might become the next
American superstar in the Tom Watson mould.
Norman
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1568.39 | high-percentage type shot | DEVMKO::BLAISDELL | Rick, dtn 264-5414 | Wed Aug 19 1992 09:32 | 6 |
|
Norman, the bladed sand wedge shot that Price used is considered
a fairly routine and safe shot by the pros. No chance for hitting
the dreaded 'chili'.
-rick
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1568.40 | | SARAH::DEFELICE | | Wed Aug 19 1992 10:28 | 4 |
| RE .38
My sentiments exactly. Both Price and Cook were quite the pair to
watch on Sunday.
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1568.41 | pga most difficult to win | AKOCOA::BREEN | Bill Breen Ako2-3 244-7984 | Wed Aug 19 1992 15:22 | 14 |
| Here I am back to my same old theme but here goes. There is one
viewpoint that should make the pga the most difficult tourny to
win. That is that is attracts the most American tour level players,
basically the top 150 or so plus (I believe) fewer restrictions on
foreigners than u.s. open.
TPC probalby from reading Jack's note may then if regarded as a MAJOR
be the number 1 difficult major.
This year when it got down to the last 9 holes it was Price with all
his experience in majors especially british open that helped him
prevail
bb
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1568.42 | Mind game | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Thu Aug 20 1992 07:10 | 19 |
| Pressure is in the players heads there are some who over the yrs have
been nerveless or appear to be, Jack Nicklaus is a prime example so the
pressure is a mental thing it gets to some but others learn to cope
like Nick Price he has been close and fades he learnt how to win,
think how easy it is to hit a shot in a practice rd when your not
trying get in a club comp and somedays you wonder whose arms you are
using.
I was once told the biggest distance in golf is in between the ears
i still believe it is.
Watch all the pros on the practice range at the next opportunity
all of them hit perfect shots time after time , but only a few
win on a regular basis why?
Joe
i still believe it
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1568.43 | the magic wand | DEVMKO::BLAISDELL | Rick, dtn 264-5414 | Thu Aug 20 1992 07:49 | 8 |
|
> Watch all the pros on the practice range at the next opportunity
> all of them hit perfect shots time after time , but only a few
> win on a regular basis why?
That's easy. Putting. The best putters win the tournaments.
-rick
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1568.44 | the magic brain i think? | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Thu Aug 20 1992 10:12 | 23 |
| I dont agree why do some players hit rank poor shots when the pressure is
on take ever Major there will be players who get into contention and
realise they might win lose their head , nerve ,concentration and blow
it even the best have done it some golfers learn from it and are
stronger others never are , how many times did Tom Kite have a great
chance of wining a Major only to blow it this yr he heldhis nerve.
Seve in the Masters one yr hit an awfull 4 iron into Raes creek and
admitted 2 yrs after how that one shot affected him mentally he
wondered if he would ever win a major again.
Its a mind game not a putting competition however when 2 graet golfers
who hold their nerve and emotions then it can turn into a putting
competition.
Mike Radar Reid in the US Open one yr only had to stand up to win ,
Faldo was lucky to get the chance to win the British Open only
cos John CooK let him back in,
Bernhard Langer has won the Masters and various worldwide top Tourneys
yet is not a good putter, Fred Couples is known as a poor putter
yet both of these when on form knock it so close when they are buzzing
the worst they can do is make par.
Joe
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1568.45 | still maintain it is putting that wins | DEVMKO::BLAISDELL | Rick, dtn 264-5414 | Thu Aug 20 1992 11:19 | 29 |
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> Mike Radar Reid in the US Open one yr only had to stand up to win ,
Why? Because he missed short putts on the closing holes while Payne
Stewart was making everything in sight.
> Faldo was lucky to get the chance to win the British Open only
> cos John CooK let him back in,
Why? Because Cook three putted the easy par 5 on the back and missed
a couple of other putts, while Faldo was sinking the clutch putts on
the last four holes.
> Bernhard Langer has won the Masters and various worldwide top Tourneys
> yet is not a good putter,
This is a common misconception. Actually, Langer is a superb putter
as evidenced by his top ranking (putting and last time I checked) on
the European tour.
> Fred Couples is known as a poor putter
I would say he is more inconsistent than he is a poor putter. The
putter was hot early this year (perfect example was the Masters
where he was making everything), and now he is not and that is why
he has disappeared from the leaderboards.
-rick
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1568.46 | Not Convinced | PEKING::ANTELLJ | | Thu Aug 20 1992 12:01 | 26 |
| Sorry Rick not convinced
Putting statistics mean nowt cos if someone hits every green he will
take more putts than someone who misses 9 greens and gets up and down
6 times.
Fred won the Masters on the short 12th hole his ball should have gone
in the water as every other ball has in that position over the yrs
his stuck in fringe and away he went.
John Cook missed the green miles right on 18th and had no chance of
chipping and putting.
Ray Floyd in the Masters dumped his second shot in the lake
Langer in the open last yr took 5 putts from 8 feet he has always
fought the yips how good is that.
True champions have great minds ability to shut out things pressure
no matter what feild they perform in ,Borg,Ali,Nicklaus, Watson at his
peak Seve ,Sugar Ray Leonard he conned Hagler remeber that a mind game
not a boxing match he touched him and ran all the fight he knew it
would get to Hagler so Hagler could not perform he psyched him out
never out boxed him, i know i have drifted from the point but i am
trying to get my point accross.
Top golf is a mind game as Tennis is, have you ever read the inner game
of golf , i have a copy if you are interested i will let you borrow
it.
regards Joe
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1568.47 | all the shots are important | WEPUBS::DCHAVEZ | Dale - CXN2 Colorado Springs | Fri Aug 21 1992 11:36 | 20 |
| Re: John Cook
I too hope he wins a major soon. He's showed extreme class under very
trying conditions in the last few months.
Re: putting wins tournaments
I also disagree with one of the previous noters. My personal opinion
is the ability to scramble is just as important as putting, driving, or
iron shots. Most major courses are setup/designed to punish the errant
drive and iron shot, and even the best tour players don't hit 100% of
greens and fairways. So, yes putting is important (especially if you're
trying to save par/bogey from five feet), but the good/bad chip/iron
shot put you in that position.
Nicklaus is a prime example of someone who is/was hailed as a great
putter in his time, and he was. But, Nicklaus also missed few fairways
and greens also (which, by his own admission made his short game weak).
Dale
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1568.48 | mind game | TEEUP::MOOK | Where are you between two thoughts? | Mon Aug 24 1992 14:35 | 4 |
| All of you are right! The mind game shows itself the best (or the worst) on
and around the green.
bob
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