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Created: | Tue Feb 15 1994 |
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As threatened, I thought that I would give my impressions of the tour pros swings. I had a chance to spend about an hour at the practice tee the other day, to watch several different tour pros, club pros and amateurs hit balls. Watching the amateurs. I saw some VERY interesting golf swings. I'm trying hard to forget because I DO NOT want those images in my mind the next time I get a chance to play. The swings of the tour pros however are something that I want to remember. Here are my impressions: The set up varies from player to player. For the most part it is exactly as outlined in Hogan's book on the swing with some minor differences. They mostly grip the club with the V's pointing to the chin. (except Fred Funk who has a somewhat stronger right hand) Their feet are planted FIRMLY on the ground. By this I mean that when they bend their knees (squat) the weight is evenly distributed on the arches of both feet. (The days of 60/40 to the right with the driver and left with the wedge seem to be gone at last.) That never made sense to me because every sport I ever played, you wanted your weight evenly distributed on the middle of your feet for good balance. The amatuers never did get their feet set before the swing so at the end of the swing they couldn't "hold the pose". I've heard teaching pros telling people to hold the finish for a 3 count because their balance was bad. Well that's real hard to do if you don't start out correctly. The thing that the pros did that was different than Hogan, was the width of their stance. Hogan suggests that the feet (inside to inside) should be shoulder width with the driver. For the most part they were not that wide. They were all different indicating to me that being comfortable was more important provided you could keep the weight in the inside of the feet during the swing. As for the foot position, it was all classic Hogan, back foot perpendicular to the line and front foot turned out. The take away seemed to have 2 different schools. There is the classic 1 piece where the left shoulder, arm and club all start together. (Rocco Mediate is a prime example). Then there is a school where the clubhead starts back (with the hands I'd guess) just before the shoulder starts. (David Peoples) The speed of the backswing is different for each player. Some fast, some slow and there was even 1 that I thought would break the sound barrier. Slow and easy was by far the most popular. The key to me here though was proper tempo. We all talk about tempo and how to maintain it. Well what they seem to do is to start the downswing just slightly faster than the end of the backswing. This allows them to accelerate the club through the shot, maintain proper balance and generate much more clubhead speed than the amatuers. (We all remember the study where the amature golfer achieves maximum clubhead speed at the beginning of the downswing while the pro's it after impact) This seems to add up in my mind. The amatuers started the club down by jerking it down with the left shoulder as opposed to starting it down with the left hand. I plead guilty to this which now that I play so infrequently, explains why I'd have trouble hitting a bull in the a** with a shovel let alone that tiny little golf ball. Anyway the message is to start the downswing with the same pace as ending the backswing. At the top of the backswing some players (J. Boros) would drop the club getting a little extra wrist cock. The guys who did this (the minority) would pause to resync the timing of the swing. (Even Daly pauses) It doesn't appeal to me but I suppose if you hit 500 balls a day you can do it! Rocco Mediate does this and every once in a while, he really kills it. He's always long and mostly in play so you have to wonder if 'every once in a while' is worth it. His problem is he can't putt. He's got to be one of the worst putters on tour. After that there isn't much else to their swings that is of any note. Of course they gerenate tremendous clubhead speed with their legs and hands. They don't pull their shoulders up out of plane until the momentum of the club does it for them (Staying down sound familiar?) I suspect that we amatuers are fighting the ball going right and they are fighting it going left. These simple things that they do at address and starting the downswing, seems to square up the clubface for them so all they have to do is hit and hunt it. If on my September trip to the Boston area you'd like to sit at my feet and hear me go on about the pro golf swing, I'll meet you at the hotel bar. :-) :-) Bring your credit card as I don't get out much anymore. :-} KO
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1556.1 | thx | WALTA::LENEHAN | par-taking in par making | Thu Jul 30 1992 14:33 | 6 |
thanks Kevin excellent report Walta | |||||
1556.2 | the only "secret" is sound fundamentals...!! | TRLIAN::GORDON | Thu Jul 30 1992 15:54 | 1 | |
1556.3 | " Hunt for the perfect result " | KIRKTN::DMILNE | Let Mi Oot. | Thu Jul 30 1992 18:15 | 15 |
Very good article... I had a chance to watch the top pro's in action at the British Open and in my opinion most of them swing slow and easy...yet still get tremendous distance and accuracy.... It still baffles me how they can swing so easy and still generate so much power.... There must be something to be said for "having good timing and tempo" Still searching in vain......... | |||||
1556.4 | 7 B's - Bulk Behind Ball, Body Behind Belt Buckle | WOTVAX::MORRISON | Fri Jul 31 1992 10:35 | 68 | |
Great report on the PRO's swings. You're absolutely right about the set-up and weight. I know you see some wondrous body shapes on a golf course, but golf is actually an athletic sport. The keys are balance, timing and movement. During the set-up, the weight should be on the balls of the feet. In his book, "The Winning Formula", Nick Faldo describes perfectly, how your weight moves in the golf swing. BTW his book is excellent. He goes into minute detail about every inch of his swing. Nick states, and I would urge you to stand up *now* and try this, that the swing is all about weight transference. At the top of the back-swing, all his weight in on his right heel. At the end of his follow-through, all his weight is on the ball of his left foot. Liken the swing to say a discus thrower. In that sport, the thrower coils round on his hind, right leg, then explodes onto his left leg. Think of a 100 metre runner - take steroids :-), no - in the blocks his weight is on the back foot, and he explodes onto the front foot. Freddie (Couples) advocates the same. He actually increases his power, by slightly flexing his right knee, and turns his body over and round it. You shouldn't dip your shoulders into the turn - and again I urge you to stand up and try this - flex the right knee, and rotate your body round onto it on the back swing. Pause for a moment, and feel the power coiled up in that right knee. You should almost be able to lift your left leg without falling over. Now explode off and through your right knee, just like the discus and 100 metre boys. Be athletic. That's what I mean by BULK BEHIND BALL The weight transference onto the left leg ensures that whatever your physique, you get the maximum power. I think there is a famous law, Murphy's or something, which says m1v1 = m2v2 Exploding off the right leg, normally means that you end up off balance at the end of the follow through. That's where BODY BEHIND BELT BUCKLE comes in. Having coiled up and round the right leg on the back swing, the technique is to uncoil on an axis through the middle of your body. Keeping your Body Behind your Belt Buckle ensures that you don't sway forward onto your left leg , and that you don't rush through with your shoulders.. Trust me, I'm in Software Services. Turning, not tilting, nor swaying, onto the right heel, and exploding off the right knee onto the ball of the left foot - try it - gives full weight transference. Staying behind the belt buckle ensures you don't rush past the ball with your body before your arms, hands and clubs hit it. To help me remember this, I have a mental picture of this simple swing thought:- 7 B's = Bulk Behind Ball, Body Behind Belt Buckle In my view, that's where the PRO's get their power. By keeping their weight behind the ball at all times. Being a five-stone-weakingly myself, I need every ounce. Randall (who doesn't believe in the GRIP IT 'N RIP IT theory) | |||||
1556.5 | If I could only drive consistently... | INDEV1::GSMITH | I need two of everything | Mon Aug 03 1992 17:12 | 8 |
Kevin... What's the thinking behing pointing the left foot out? I am having big problems off the tee lately and it seems to me that doing this may help. Better follow-thru? Smitty | |||||
1556.6 | Works SOMEtimes... | MRKTNG::VARLEY | Tue Aug 04 1992 10:19 | 9 | |
It helps get your weight through - especially if you make a lateral move & turn, like the better players (everybody oughtta do it - but it's beyond the abilities of a lot of players). However, if you're a "spinner," or "pull hooker," you're better off with the front foot pointed perpendicular to the line of flight. Ahhh, what the hell do I know, since moving into our new/old house, I haven't swung a club. I can't WAIT to start - back to ole "square one..." --Jack | |||||
1556.7 | Easy way to check. | WOTVAX::MORRISON | Tue Aug 04 1992 10:32 | 14 | |
Smitty, Try this one. Rather than point your left foot out, point it in. Assume that your left foot is the little hand on a watch face. 12 o'clock is your left foot pointing at 90 degrees to the target line. "Out" is 10:30, then "in" is 2 o'clock. Take a full driver swing, and let rip. If you tear the ligaments out of your left knee, the problem with your driving has nothing to do with your left foot set up. Try it and let's know how you get on. Randall ;-} | |||||
1556.8 | OBRIEN::kevin | Certifiable golfer | Tue Aug 04 1992 13:23 | 13 | |
Smitty, Pointing the left foot out at address is, as Jack said, to help with the weight transfer so you can turn around the left side instead of falling over. Turning the foot to "2:00 o'clock" will turn the fiendish grin upside down in a hurry. Just thinking about it hurts. :-( I do recommend getting Hogan's book, it does a wonderful job of explaining the swing. KO | |||||
1556.9 | Hogan vs. Leadbetter | MLTVAX::WOODRUFF | Mon Aug 10 1992 15:39 | 5 | |
I believe Nick Faldo is a student of David Leadbetter. How does his teaching compare to Hogan ? Bruce w. | |||||
1556.10 | careful with that term... | TRLIAN::GORDON | Mon Aug 10 1992 16:16 | 4 | |
re: .9 Hogan was not a "teacher" he wrote a couple of books which formed the basis for many who "teach" the game...IMHO |