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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1479.0. "Rules Game in Golf Digest" by DPDMAI::VENEZIO (Perfect Practice Makes Perfect) Fri Mar 13 1992 14:37

    Has anyone taken a shot at the Golf Digest rules quiz. It was posted in
    the March issue and came with a copy of "the rules of Golf" from the
    USGA.
    
    I took the thing home and researched the H**L out of it and still got
    stumped on two questions.
    
    I'll list them below for the fun of it and see if someone can come up
    with a definitive answer. Please post the Rules section number if you
    have the answer, no guesses please.
    
    Players A and B were tied at the conclusion of the North Tibetian
    stroke-play championship. On the first playoff hole B holes his putt
    for a 5. Player A, having a putt for 5, asked B what score he had.
    Player B wrongly replies 4. At which point A picks up his ball, after
    which B told A that he was mistaken and actually had a 5. What is the
    correct ruling.
    
    a. Player A wins the playoff
    b. Player B incurs a one-stroke penalty
    c. Player B incurs a two-stroke penalty
    d. Player B wins the playoff
    e. The hole is halved
    
    A players ball comes to rest in an adjacent fairway. Another player,
    not realizing the ball was in play, jokingly steps on the ball,
    embedding it in the mud. The first player sees this, says nothing, and
    then proceeds to lift and clean the ball. He drops it as near as
    possible to where it was embedded. He accidently moves the ball in
    making a practice stroke. He then realizes he should have placed the
    ball originally. So he lifts it, places it next to where it was
    embedded and plays on.
    
    a. The player is correct in his procedure
    b. The player incurs a one stroke penalty
    c. The player incurs two one-stroke penalties
    d. The player incurs a two-stroke penalty
    e. The player incurs a one-stroke penalty and a two-stroke penalty for
    a total of three.
    
    Ken
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1479.1NEWPRT::JOHNSON_DOMon Mar 16 1992 13:0618
    Question #1
    
    A wins the hole but gets to wear B's putter home until it can be
    surgically removed.  B loses and must always wonder if he could have
    made the putt.
    
    Question #2
    
    He has at least three penalty strokes and decides to kepp dropping and
    placing the ball until he has a clear shot to the green, hits it stiff,
    taps in, and since he is playing with A from the previous question,
    he forgets to mention the penalties strokes.  This all covered under
    the rules of golf...the Chapter on "Improving Your Lies".
    
    SCD
    
    and since he
    is playing with A from the question before, he tells him he
1479.2My interpretation of the Rules...DATABS::PALPaul LemaireTue Mar 17 1992 16:0736
re:     <<< Note 1479.0 by DPDMAI::VENEZIO "Perfect Practice Makes Perfect" >>>
                         -< Rules Game in Golf Digest >-

>>    Players A and B were tied at the conclusion of the North Tibetian
>>    stroke-play championship. On the first playoff hole B holes his putt
>>    for a 5. Player A, having a putt for 5, asked B what score he had.
>>    Player B wrongly replies 4. At which point A picks up his ball, after
>>    which B told A that he was mistaken and actually had a 5. What is the
>>    correct ruling.
    
    Rule 9. Information as to Strokes Taken is notably terse when it comes
    to Stroke Play: "A competitor who has incurred a penalty should inform
    his marker as soon as practicable."  Contrasting this with the section
    on Match Play, the message seems pretty clear: there is no penalty for
    B's action (not in this world anyway).  B wins.


>>    A players ball comes to rest in an adjacent fairway. Another player,
>>    not realizing the ball was in play, jokingly steps on the ball,
>>    embedding it in the mud. The first player sees this, says nothing, and
>>    then proceeds to lift and clean the ball. He drops it as near as
>>    possible to where it was embedded. He accidently moves the ball in
>>    making a practice stroke. He then realizes he should have placed the
>>    ball originally. So he lifts it, places it next to where it was
>>    embedded and plays on.

    Since the ball was moved by an outside agency, the player is entitled
    to replace it under Rule 18-1.  Rule 20-6. Lifting Ball Wrongly Dropped
    or Placed reads:
	A ball dropped or placed in a wrong place or otherwise not in
	accordance with the Rules but not played may be lifted, without
	penalty, and the player shall then proceed correctly.

    This covers everything except the part where he moved the ball taking a
    practice stroke.  This does not constitute "playing" the ball but,
    nevertheless, did happen.  One stroke penalty.
1479.3Two QuestionsCTHQ2::OCONNORFri Mar 20 1992 08:5311
    Ken,
    
    First situatiuon, does player A incur a one stroke penalty for lifting
    his ball without marking it? Even though he was misinformend. This is a
    stroke play tournament.
    Second situation, the definition of a stroke may come into play here,
    for a penalty to be incurred there has to be intent to hit the ball. I
    do not think that the penalty applies here.
    What do you think?
    
    Rich