Conference 7.286::golf

    Although I personally haven't played it yet it sounds like a treat. 
    Bring lots of patients and golf balls because I understand the slope
    from the back tees is 151.  That compares to 155 from the Tiger tees
    at ITT in Bolton.  Word has it that this course will be a future site 
    for the US Amateur a couple of years from now.  Rumor has it the course 
    record so far is 75.  The former pro at Torry pines in Francestown, NH
    Lyman Doanne is running the place.  Should be in mint shape.  I have
    plans to play it in two weeks.  Will let you know.
    
    

    Ah yes... I have played it!  
    
    I was formerly a member over at Tory Pines and was shooting in the mid
    80's that last half of last season ... then when Lyman got the job at
    Shattuck Inn, I became a member over there.
    
    Right now, all they have to offer is GOLF ... with a driving range to
    open by July 15th.  Until such time as they are able to open the Inn,
    the Benjamin Prescott Inn in Jaffrey is offering a Golf package for two
    (bed and breakfast plus greens fees) for $99.00.  There phone # is
    603-532-6637.
    
    As for the golf, it is spectacluar!  With Mount Monadnock as a
    back-drop!  It is a true test of golf ... as an example, during the
    Memorial day weekend, I posted scores of 100, 109 and 98 ... if it
    hadn't been for 9 penalty strokes, the 98 could have been an 89.
    
    Every hole has at least four (4) tee boxes and many have six (6) so the
    course can satisfy ALL golfers and their abilities.   The only
    complaint from the low-handicappers has been that they don't get to use
    their driver as often as they would like.
    
    Short and straight is the 'name of the game' at this course ... a true
    challenge.
    
    I highly recommend it...
    

    	Where in Jaffrey is it, I haven't heard about this place? Did it
    just open this year? Thanks.

    Going west on route 124, it is about 3 miles outside of Jaffrey Center
    
    There is a BIG sign pointing to a Bible Center and a smaller sign
    pointing to the Shattuck Inn ... they are both on the right going
    west on route 124.
    
    It opened for limited play last October but officially opened May 18th.
    
    

    What are the green fees and the availability of tee times on weekends?
    

    Green fees are $30 and $11 for half a cart ... riding only between
    8:00-3:00
    
    Riding only has become an issue and may change...
    
    Tee times are pretty good ... they start at 7:00 (walking between 7:00
    and 8:00 if desired) ... corporate members can call on Monday, other
    members can call on Tuesday and public can make tee times starting
    Wednesday at 7:00 A.M....
    
    

    Corporate members...does this include DEC?

I played the course last week on a week day. What a great course- extremely 
well cared for and beautifully layed out. It was a real treat to see each hole 
unfold and to enjoy the surroundings. We were all extremely pleased we took the 
time off and played there. It is a real jewel and sparkels like one.

The degree of difficulty is dramatic. The course record is 75 and I'll bet par
will not be broken in my lifetime. Accuracy is key with a premium on precise
carries as many greens are protected with marsh, traps, and rocks. You need to 
know your clubs and swing within yourself. The first time out should be to 
familiarize yourself with the course because there are so many things to learn
before you could even hope to shoot your regular game.

							Regards Phil

 

    Anybody want to post some directions?
    
    Also, a previous reply mentioned corporate members.  Could you
    elaborate a little more on that as well as their regular membership
    rates.  Thanks.
    
    Jeff
    

I played there last weekend. It's beautiful, but I'm glad it's not MY 
club.

I think Silva did a beautiful job of blending the course into the 
landscape. Nice bunkering (aesthetically, at least). Spectacular 
views. Perfect condition. No doubt about it, it's a great walk in the
park. I don't think its a great golf course though. 

You don't have too many options. Keep it in play or pay the price. The 
fairways are sometimes generous, sometimes tight, and almost always 
bracketed by red stakes. Rough is as scarce as water in a desert. I 
played it from the tips and lost seven balls en route to a 90.

Sore looser? Maybe. Like I say, its worth making the trip. It's like 
climbing Mt. Monadonock. It's a nice way to spend a morning, but I 
wouldn't want to make it a regular commute.

     
    Re: -1
    
    Why are the fairways lined with red stakes? .... Red stakes usually
    mark a hazard.. but you can still hit out  .... no?
    
    	Smitty

Re: -1

Yup. The red stakes mark a hazzard. There's fairway and hazzard-- and 
rarely anything much in between.

    Got a chance to play the Shattuck Inn yesterday in the steady depressing
  rain.  We played from the whites since they were designated as the tees 
  for the upcoming CCIII tourney.

    The course is in perfect condition.  Tees, fairways and greens are
  fantastic.  The course is built in and around wetlands and as a result,
  the wetlands make an appearance on what seems on every hole.  Hazards 
  abound but given the short length of the course  6000 yards (seems shorter
  than that even), it really isn't that difficult to stay out of trouble.
  I guess what I'm saying is that the course played a lot easier than what
  I expected.  The blue tees look like a completely different story though!

    The greens putted true and you can leave yourself some tricky putts
  on a few of the greens.  With all the rain yesterday, they accepted
  approach shots superbly.  They seemed a little slick, course the greens
  I normally putt on are incredibly slow.  I can see real problems if the
  greens dry out and don't hold the approaches well.   Didn't notice a lot
  of problems around the greens.  The second cut next to the fringe is long
  and you can find yourself with some awkward chips, but other than that,
  not many problems.  If you are way off-line with the approaches, than yes
  you will be in deep doo-doo.

    From the tees, a couple of holes provided unpleasant surprises, but overall
  it was WYSWYG.  The fairways were wider than I expected.  Because of the
  short length, woods off the tees will be a rare sight.  Approach shots to
  most of the greens are the real treat, and with the fairways cut fairly short
  and in perfect condition, it is real hard to miss the greens.

    As far as the holes, other than a couple of real outstanding par 3's and
  a great par 5 on the front site, no particular hole jumped out as particular-
  ly difficult or great.  All the holes on this course are very very good 
  though and it is a very beautiful course.  For those that like the bump and
  run courses, forget it.  This is target golf.

    Overall, I liked the course very much although the difficulty wasn't
  as high as expected.  The CCIII champs will be the team that is rock solid
  and straight with the irons and have the putters working.  It will also help
  if someone on the team can hit a high approach shots with the irons.  Length 
  will not be a factor at all.  Those that cannot play this course prior to
  the tournament will be at a severe disadvantage.

-rick
    

We're not playing from the blues???? A scramble should definitely use 
the whole course. I vote for changing the tees to the blues. It's 
still a short course. Only two holes that I can remember demand a long 
carry off the tee. One of the par 5s (I can't remember which) starts 
out over some wetlands, but that's only if they use one of two 
possible tee placements. The day I played, the blues on that par-5
hole weren't at the hardest position. But even there, while it looks
like an impossible carry, I don't think it's over 200 yards.  The 17th
is actually a longer carry, but I still got to the fairway with a
1-iron into the wind (probably about 220). 

I could see not playing the tips at International, where EVERY hole 
demands a 250+ carry; that would be unfair. But there's no reason to 
play this course up. With two player's playing each shot it SHOULD be 
tough.

Tom

    
          Hole             Yardages         Par   Hndcp
           #      Blue  White  Gold  Red   

           1       409   357   339   302     4      5
           2       162   146   130   107     3     17
           3       405   343   320   301     4      9
           4       345   312   291   215     4     13
           5       612   551   519   450     5      1
           6       564   508   410   404     5      3
           7       200   183   169    92     3     15
           8       407   373   337   217     4      7
           9       386   356   314   287     4     11

                  3490  3129  2829  2375    36

          10       426   394   369   314     4      6
          11       432   407   351   333     4      4
          12       199   155   155   131     3     16
          13       315   303   223   168     4     14
          14       160   121   121    73     3     18
          15       544   508   443   421     5      2
          16       391   367   320   310     4     10
          17       339   313   246   208     4     12
          18       405   380   355   299     4      8
    
                  3211  2948  2583  2257    35 

                  6701  6077  5412  4632    71
    
    

     Well, I "Bit the bullet" and played Shattuck Inn yesterday. The course
    has flaws sprinkled throughout, but I loved it. Played it from the
    tips, and it's the hardest thing I have EVER seen. Harder than Medinah
    #3, harder than Shinnecock Hills, harder than Pine Valley - I'm talkin'
    HARD !! What a beautiful place, and very nice people. The guys in front
    of us had a tote bag full of balls on their cart, and were laughing
    about it.
    
     I'd like to go back when I was playing o.k., and during the week when,
    I'm sure, it's quiet and just take my time and enjoy it. A range would
    help, too. I liked the back 9 better - less "Goofy golf," but the
    first two par 4's and both par 3's are terrific. The second par 3 might
    be (From the tips) the hardest hole I've ever played. Plus, there's
    gotta be bass in those wetlands... As Arnold says, "I'll be back !"
    
    Down (But not out),
    
    --Jack  

    
    hi Everyone,
    
    	I was out for a while and forgot to mention a funny thing that
    	happened during Challenge Cup III...
    
    	My partner and I were playing the par 5 (sorry I don't know the
    	number) but you know the one,  it has the green just over a creek,
    	with a WALL of rock behind it.
    
    	Anyway, we had a decent score going... and at this point played
    	this par 5 poorly. We were hitting our approach shots from 
    	175yards (making that green look itty bitty) . The wind was REALLY
    	gusting, from all directions.
    
    	My partner went first , and hit what looked/sounded like the right
    	shot... PLUNK! airmailed it into the creek.
    
      My turn;	I use a 6 iron from 172, but the wind was in my face... so I
    dropped to a 5 iron. As I was setting up to play the 5 iron, the wind
    shifted and was almost coming at me from the side. I quickly grabbed
    the 6 iron and began my swing... right about at the top of my
    backswing the wind started gusting at my back! I tried to ease into
    the shot... and ended up hitting it flush right at the stick.
    
    	As I stood watching the ball fly toward the green , I wasn't sure
    	whether to cheer for more distance or less? But right about when
    	I expected the ball to start dropping toward the green, it kept
    	rising! I felt sick. Helpless. I just ended our chances. The
    	ball soared over the green and "BOING" hit the mass of rock 
    	about 15 feet up the mountain. 
    
    	I stared hoping to keep from loosing "another" ball. But instead
    	of ricocheting into the woods..........              The ball
    	went high into the air back toward the flag! Once again,
    	I didn't know whether to cheer for more distance or less? It could
    	either land up near the rock in the rough, or worse clear the
    	green and end up with my partner in the creek?
    
    	The ball flew just past the flag and came down 5 feet from the
    	hole! It left us a very makeable 5 footer dead straight uphill
    	for birdie!
    
    	What a fun game this is ;)
    
    	Walta

    
      Read in the Boston Globe this morning that someone (J.Cioi? from VT)
     broke the course record and I'm assuming from the blue tees.  He shot
     a 3 under 68.  Get this, the old course record was a 2 OVER par 73
     held previously by Jeff Lewis. I'd love to see some of the tour pros
     play Shattuck to see what they could do.  
    
    
>The degree of difficulty is dramatic. The course record is 75 and I'll bet par
>will not be broken in my lifetime. Accuracy is key with a premium on precise

>							Regards Phil

   Hope you didn't make that bet Phil.  ;^) 
    

    The place is beautiful, but I've had more fun at a drive-by shooting.
    Great players are gonna make a number - ANYWHERE. How's 63 at Muirfield
    Village a year or so back, or 63 at Oakmont. My hat's off to the guy !
    
    --Jack

Re .18 Did I say that? Actually they have made the course easier by cleaning out
thoroughly some red stake areas such that you could shoot to the green. I too would
like to see a pro tournament held there!

							Regards Phil

    Finally got the  chance  to make it out to Shattuck Inn for this past
    Memorial Day.  Actually,  I  ran  across  some great discount coupons
    worth $20 per player so I decided to make the trip.

    Reading  through  past  notes  on  this  course will  give  you  some
    indication of the layout and difficulty.  Visually, a  very  stunning
    place compared with anything else around here.  I liked  it  and  the
    people there very much.  Pretty laid-back and rustic, but the  course
    itself  is  quite dramatic.  Each hole (with maybe one exception) was
    an adventure in itself. I used to think Shaker Hills was tough  until
    I played Shattuck...

    The greens  were  a  bit  disappointing, especially after reading the
    past notes on how well kept Shattuck is/was.  Due to the coupons, the
    greens, and the lack of  traffic  on  a  major holiday, I wondered if
    they  were experiencing some financial problems.    Anyway,  couldn't
    hold  much  of anything except short irons,  which  made  the  course
    really tough to  play.  My good friend  found a dozen balls  tracking
    down one of   his  errant  shots. Before the day was over he had lost
    every one of them.

    All in all, a great day.  I  loved  the  course  and  I am definitely
    going back, soon.  Hope the greens improve by then.
    
    (Make sure  you  save this place  for when your iron game is on. Most
    approach shots are all carry with very  little forgiveness is you are
    strong or wide.)

    	Got to play Shattuck on Sunday, a beautiful day at least
    weatherwise for the first 18 holes. We played it from the tips and
    if the blue tees weren't on the backmost tees, we played it the
    backmost teeboxes except for #5 since it basicall shares the teebox
    with #3. I was happy to shoot 107 :^) and managed to clean my bag of
    about 12 of my old scruffy balls...  Managed 4 pars on the day. The
    course was in good shape, some fairways had brown barren spots but the
    greens were in great shape!
    	Cost $35 w/o cart and $10 for a cart so I walked with my pullcart
    as I didn't find it a difficult course to walk previous times. They
    now have a weekday special there for $25 with or without cart. They
    hope to remain open until Nov 15th.

    
    	Could someone post directions from 495 ??
    
    	Anyone play it recently??  Conditions, etc... ??
    
    	Thanks,
    	Tom
    

    
>>    	Could someone post directions from 495 ??
    
The only way I know for sure is 495 to Rt 119 in Littleton, at LKG.
Take 119 west toward Groton. (this should sound familiar).
Follow 119 to Rindge N.H. at flashing yellow light turn right following
the signs to Cathedral of the Pines. Follow that road to the end.
Turn left onto Rt 124. The road to Shattuck will be on your right about
3 miles after the center of Jaffery.

The other way is 495 to Rt 2 west. Take the exit after the Mt. Wachusett
exit which is Rt 140. This is where I'm not sure.....  Follow 140 north
to Rt 12 to Rt 202. You want to get to Rt 202 north. When you get to
Rindge you'll pass a Wal-Mart on the left, go through the lights and
watch for Rt. 124 on your right. The road to Shattuck will be on your left.

Maybe someone can correct or confirm how you get to 202 from 140.
    

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>The other way is 495 to Rt 2 west. Take the exit after the Mt. Wachusett
>exit which is Rt 140. This is where I'm not sure.....  Follow 140 north
>to Rt 12 to Rt 202. You want to get to Rt 202 north. When you get to
>Rindge you'll pass a Wal-Mart on the left, go through the lights and
>watch for Rt. 124 on your right. The road to Shattuck will be on your left.

I wouldn't quite describe it that way...

You're fine 'til you get past WalMart. But to be perhaps a little clearer:

Take Rt 2 to the Rt 140 north to Winchendon. Follow that until you come to 
a stop sign, which is Rt 12. Take a left. Go down about a mile to Rt 202 to 
Rindge/Jaffrey. Just stay on 202 past WalMart, through the lights at Rt. 
119, until you come to the lights in downtown Jaffrey. Take a left (I think that
puts you on Rt. 124, but I'm not too good about names/numbers). Go down
about...I'm not real sure here... about, um, 3 miles (?) - the road to
Shattuck is on the *RIGHT*. There's a sign on the corner, but it's not
particularly conspicuous, so keep your eyes open (you should be doing that
anywho, since you're driving :')). Shattuck is just a little ways down that 
road.

LAst I heard (last year) conditions had gone down hill some. Don't know 
whether it has new, more caring owners now. Good luck. And bring lots of 
balls. My recommendation: Enjoy the surrounding nature and forget the
score, else Shattuck is truly "a good walk spoiled."