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| 1078.1 | | ASABET::VARLEY | | Mon Sep 17 1990 11:35 | 5 |
| Faldo. Period. I'm not a Faldo fan (although I love his swing and
game), but - business is business, and he beat the best at the toughest
courses when the "deal was down."
--Jack (the Curmudgeon).
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| 1078.2 | Nick's the guy | HKFINN::F_MCGOWAN | Mi ho sbellicato dalle risa. | Mon Sep 17 1990 20:00 | 5 |
| Gotta agree that Faldo's the man for '90; but Levi had a heck of a
year, too, and probably would make it if not for Nick's heroics in the
majors.
Frank
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| 1078.3 | Faldo | CLOSUS::DCHAVEZ | Dale - CXN1 Colo Spgs | Tue Sep 18 1990 15:21 | 6 |
| Agree with the previous reply: Faldo all the way. Levi has no doubt
had a great year, but he's also having a 'cinderella' season in my
opinon. Will he win next year? Probably not, his long term record
speaks for itself.
Dale
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| 1078.4 | Tie right now | SA1794::WELLSPEAK | Going to be power slammin at Mecca | Wed Sep 19 1990 10:58 | 16 |
| > Agree with the previous reply: Faldo all the way. Levi has no doubt
> had a great year, but he's also having a 'cinderella' season in my
> opinon. Will he win next year? Probably not, his long term record
> speaks for itself.
Dale,
Golfer of the year should only be judged on a golfer performances,
THIS YEAR. It should have nothing to do with past or future performaces, and
if a player has a cindarella season, the he'll win only one Golfer of the Year
award, and then disappear into the field. And when you talk about Levi, it's
not like you're talking about a guy who'll turn 49 or 50 next year. Who's to
say what he'll do over the next 5 to 10 years.
Right now, I'd have to throw Faldo and Levi into a very close tie,
with Irwin not to far behind. Rookie of the year, is without a doubt, Gamez.
Beak
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| 1078.5 | Do only USPGA wins count? | MACNAS::SPOMPHRETT | | Wed Sep 19 1990 11:35 | 8 |
| How about Olazabal? Three wins this year already, one in US (where he
annihilated the field) and two in Europe. Each of these wins was over a
totally different type of course.
Faldo's two majors make him GOTY, in my opinion, but Olazabal must be
up alongside anybody else for runner-up.
Sean
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| 1078.6 | | SQGUK::NOCK | Something for the weekend? | Wed Sep 19 1990 12:28 | 16 |
| Agree with the sentiment of .5. It's difficult to say without appearing
too nationalistic, but the basic problem is that on both sides of the
pond, we're fairly ignorant of the other. We hardly ever get USPGA
tournaments here on TV other than the Majors. Myself, although I've
heard of Mr. Levy I wouldn't have known he was having a great year.
Last year Ronan Rafferty ran away with the European Tour but it didn't
get him "golfer of the year".
People who win around the world ought to be GsOTY above those who do
well on one tour only.
Hope that doesn't sound too anti-USPGA, it's not meant to be.
Faldo, of course is GOTY. If only he'd speed up a bit though!
Paul
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| 1078.7 | | 21568::TDAVIS | | Wed Sep 19 1990 13:07 | 10 |
| I don't know how anyone could argue with the choice of Faldo.
.3 does underestimate Levi, however. Though he's basically a very
successful rabbit and will probably never be confused with the likes
of Nicklaus, Watson, and, no doubt, eventually Faldo, he is no Phil
Blackmar (a no-name). Many noters seem to feel that Tom Kite is, if
not a great, a near-great. Levi has won more tournaments. In less
time.
Tom
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| 1078.8 | Criteria.... | SUBWAY::GRIFFIN | | Wed Sep 19 1990 13:32 | 12 |
| Re: .7
I agree. It seems the criteria is what makes this such a difficult
choice. For example, a few years back didn't Kite win GOTY without a
tournament win but had something to the effect of 22 top 10 finishes in
24 tournaments entered?? I could be wrong but something jars the memory
that it happened. So, I guess my question is, what determines;
tournaments won, majors, money, or consistency.
Of course, the "easy" answer is all of the above. ;')
Ted
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| 1078.9 | Maybe Irwin | CLOSUS::DCHAVEZ | Dale - CXN1 Colo Spgs | Wed Sep 19 1990 14:49 | 21 |
| RE: .4 by SA1794::WELLSPEAK
> Golfer of the year should only be judged on a golfer performances,
>THIS YEAR. It should have nothing to do with past or future performaces, and
>if a player has a cindarella season, the he'll win only one Golfer of the Year
>award, and then disappear into the field. And when you talk about Levi, it's
>not like you're talking about a guy who'll turn 49 or 50 next year. Who's to
>say what he'll do over the next 5 to 10 years.
> Right now, I'd have to throw Faldo and Levi into a very close tie,
>with Irwin not to far behind. Rookie of the year, is without a doubt, Gamez.
>
Beak, you're right that it's only based on this year's performance, but I
can't help but be biased towards Faldo because he's played so well for a
number of years now. I thought I read somewhere that Levi has been on tour
for at least 10 years now...maybe not. In any case, he's had a great year
and I tip my hat to him.
Maybe Irwin will get it and surprise everyone!!
Dale
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| 1078.10 | Too Much for the "Majors" | LABC::MCCLUSKY | | Wed Sep 19 1990 21:02 | 13 |
| I haven't decided on my choice for Golfer of the Year. But, I think
there has been too much emphasis on the "Majors". Suppose a golfer
suffered an illness during one major, had a death in the family at the
time of another and during the rest of the year won 6 Tour events,
finished second 8 times and third 5 times? There are only four
"Majors" each year and this year the British Open was played over a
course so easy that you had to beat par to make the cut. In all
fairness, Faldo didn't even have a good strong challenge that week,
which doesn't say that it was less, but it certainly wasn't more.
I suggest that we consider only the current year and recognized Tour
events, with no special consideration for the "Majors".
Big Mac
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| 1078.11 | | SIOG::OGRADY | | Thu Sep 20 1990 05:10 | 7 |
| In 1980 Jack Nicklaus won two majors, and American ones at that, but
Tom Watson got the GOY title for winning over $500,000 and 4 or 5 PGA
Tour titles. He also won the British Open.
I think that if Levi finishes on the money list in either first or
second place, then he's likely to get the title.
martin
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| 1078.12 | | SQGUK::NOCK | Something for the weekend? | Thu Sep 20 1990 06:31 | 12 |
| I can see it now:
"Ah yes, 1990, the year Faldo was #1 in the world, won half the majors
was dammed close in a third. And somebody or other was declared Golfer
of the Year"
Or the quiz question:
"Who was GOTY in 1990, the year Faldo dominated the game of Golf?"
;-)
Paul
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| 1078.14 | Two different rating systems | SA1794::WELLSPEAK | Going to be power slammin at Mecca | Thu Sep 20 1990 08:15 | 14 |
| Faldo is number one in the world, in the SONY rankings, which take into
consideration, a players last THREE years. GOTY is an award given for a
golfers play over ONE year. There is a difference. Levi has won, 4, count
them, 4 tournaments and is well up on the money list. And the others who he
competed with in those 4 tournaments, were not dogmeat!!! They were PGA
touring Pros. Levi should not be downgraded, just because Faldo chose not to
play in those tournaments. Now all this is not to take anything away from
Faldo. He too, has had a great year. And I do think a major should carry a
little more weight. But he's only won 2 tournaments. 2 majors, in my
opinion, only equal 4 other tournaments. I'd rate both Levi and Faldo as
even for odds to win GOTY. The remainder of the year will determine who does
win the award.
Beak
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| 1078.15 | | SQGUK::NOCK | Something for the weekend? | Thu Sep 20 1990 09:43 | 16 |
| Fairy Nuff,
Like all good notes, I think we're probably going off at a tangent ;-)
I didn't realise GOTY was a 'real' award, I thought it was just noters
discussing who'd had the best year. (I think it's probably been that as
well in here!) I've no problems with the USPGA giving awards to whoever
they like, and someone with 4 wins and lots of good finishes certainly
deserves one. (BTW, I wish we got to see more USPGA stuff on our TV
too, I don't think I've ever seen WL). I really wasn't trying to take
anything away from Levy.
In fact as a 'local' award, it probably makes sense to give it to a
member of the tour. So, GOT(uspga)Y - Levy. GOTY - Faldo. By the same
logic, Olazabal might be GOT(europeanpga)Y rather than Faldo.
Paul
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| 1078.16 | | SIOG::OGRADY | | Thu Sep 20 1990 09:52 | 12 |
| I think that Faldo is not anywhere near an automatic selection as GOTY.
He's only won two events (so far), even though they were both majors.
In fact i think that he had a much better year last year where he won
only one major. He dominated the events in Europe in which he competed,
winning the British Masters, the PGA c'ship, and the World Matchplay.
This year he has only had real form in the three major c'ships.
Another point to be made, if it hasn't so far, is that the GOTY title
that we're talking about relates to the US PGA Tour, not the world.
martin
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| 1078.17 | Faldo deserves it. Levi has only won minor tournaments; the ones the big boys avoid.
| LEDS::OBRIENR | | Thu Sep 20 1990 10:42 | 2 |
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| 1078.18 | | ASABET::VARLEY | | Thu Sep 20 1990 11:46 | 8 |
| O.k., I was wrong. If the award is for the best golfer on the U.S.
tour, it's gotta be Levi. If the award takes into consideration all the
rest of the world, then I think it's Faldo. Depends on what criteria
the awards committee sets up, after all - it's their award so they can
do what they want. Wonder how Samuel Ryder feels about the "new" Ryder
Cup... ?
--JV
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