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939.1 | Faldo for 2 out of 2 ??? | AYOV18::DREES | let Tommy Burns take it !!! | Thu May 10 1990 22:56 | 16 |
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Champion Curtis Strange heads the list of 62 players exempt from
qualifying for the US Open at Medinah. This compares to the 100
exemptions for THE OPEN at St Andrews in July. This ,for me, illustrates
the difference between the associations in the attention they pay
to the outstanding players around the world and to the players
currently in form. There are only 8 Europeans exempt which is a
disgrace when you consider how the Europeans have dominated world
golf in recent years.
I think the winner will come from Olazabal,Faldo,Woosnam or Strange.
ps. who out there can name the 4 golfers who have won the US Open on
4 occassions and who is the player Strange is trying to emulate
by winning 3 in a row.
Derek.
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939.2 | | SIOG::OGRADY | | Fri May 11 1990 05:52 | 11 |
| I can't resist that question!
The four are Willie Anderson (1901,1903,1904,1905),
Bobby Jones (1923,1926,1929,1930), Ben Hogan (1948,1950,1951,1953),
and Jack Nicklaus (1962,1967,1972,1980).
The dates are off the top of my head (!) so no nit picks!
From the dates you can see that Willie Anderson is the man that
Curtis is trying to emulate.
martin
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939.3 | shark with knickers | WFOV12::GUGLIELMO_T | | Fri May 11 1990 08:25 | 3 |
| The way the two have been playing I will say Norman or Payne Stewart.
Ted
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939.4 | My pick(s) | SA1794::WELLSPEAK | Waiting for you to come along | Fri May 11 1990 09:47 | 4 |
| I'll take Azinger and Norman. I'll predict that the Zinger
will win it.
Beak
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939.5 | Zinger... | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom fit clubs/club repairs | Fri May 11 1990 10:35 | 9 |
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All right Beak...!
Azinger
Norman
Faldo
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939.6 | Pretend it's Sunday. | CPDW::LACAIRE | | Fri May 11 1990 11:18 | 8 |
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Norman.
All he has to do is remember to show up on Thurday and Friday.
-Steve.
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939.7 | USGA is Right | DPDMAI::VENEZIO | MY other car is a GOLFCART | Fri May 11 1990 13:00 | 24 |
| Re: .1
Without trying to cause another "Pond War" in this notes file, let me
explain that by reducing the number of exempt players in "our" Open, it
adds to the number of "open" players that can qualify. The club players
with suitable handicaps (I think it's 3 and under) can tee it up in
regional qualifiying and gain a spot in the Championship. My hat's off
to the USGA for "opening" the Championship up to those that can compete
at that level. Amatuers and Professionals alike.
I stongly agree, there are better than 8 Europeans capable of competing
and the USGA should take the Order of Merit into consideration when
issuing exemption, but keep in mind even Arnold Palmer has to qualify.
The USGA did not want to tie up available slots for a rising star and
give it to a past Champion that may be past his competitive prime.
I think they are doing the right thing.
My picks: Ballesteros
Norman
Couples
Faldo
Stewart
Strange
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939.8 | Billy Mayfair....
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....will beat Norman on Sunday by a stroke by holing a 250 yd
7 iron, he played from the top limb of a giant oak.
:) :) :)
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939.9 | | AYOV18::OPS | A mans a man for aw that.. | Fri May 11 1990 19:20 | 6 |
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Okay so the questions must have been too easy Martin.
So can you answer this one ??What was Willie Anderson's grandmother's
maiden name ?? :-)
Tricky eh !!
Derek.
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939.10 | whose your real choice? | AYOV18::OPS | A mans a man for aw that.. | Fri May 11 1990 19:41 | 10 |
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re .7
Nothing like covering your bets!! You should have added the
rest of the European Ryder cup team and you would have the best
golfers in the world to choose from. Do you have piles from sitting
on the fence :-)
Danny
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939.11 | Another Strange Victory | DICKNS::F_MCGOWAN | Zoot who? | Sun May 13 1990 10:12 | 2 |
| This may turn out to be the only tournament Curtis can win!
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939.12 | | SIOG::OGRADY | | Mon May 14 1990 05:34 | 7 |
| re:.9
Willie Anderson's grandmothers maiden name !
Hmmm....
O'Grady of course!!
martin
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939.13 | The one and only | WFOV12::GUGLIELMO_T | | Mon May 14 1990 13:08 | 7 |
| Billy Mayfair nah. Harry Streeter(who?) Made a hole in one on the par
three at the seniors for a cadilac. He'll do it to norman at the
US Open.
Anybody know who this guy is I saw him saturday and had no clue.
Ted
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939.14 | Order of What? | MAMTS2::AKINGSBERRY | | Mon May 14 1990 14:58 | 7 |
| The best golfer in the world should be the favorite. Funny,
he is neither European or American, but an Aussie...
GREG NORMAN
(at least he lives in the U.S. and chooses to play on the most
competitive tour in the world.)
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939.15 | Welcome back controversy !!!!!!!! | AYOV18::OPS | A mans a man for aw that.. | Mon May 14 1990 15:22 | 9 |
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re last
Most competitive tour for target golf on manicured courses
in easy weather maybe, but not much of a test for the true craftsmen
in the world who just happen to play the European Tour !!! :-)
Danny
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939.16 | "The Big Yin likes a tan" | AYOV18::DREES | let Tommy Burns take it !!! | Mon May 14 1990 15:23 | 6 |
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re.14
He probably chooses to play in the states because it's easy money
for him due to there being LESS competition.
Either that or because it's sunny !!
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939.17 | Not So Fast... | ASABET::VARLEY | | Tue May 15 1990 11:46 | 8 |
| Re .15: I disagree. I've played in Scotland and Ireland, and the best
courses there are, as a group better than our courses. HOWEVER, except
for the British Open, they don't play the good courses on the European
tour. Sure there is the Irish Open at Portmarnock (Insanely tough) and
maybe one event at Turnberry (murder !), but that's about it. Hell,
there are more great course in Scotland than all of Europe.
-- Jack
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939.18 | Fred,by a Couple | AIMHI::CROCKETT | | Fri May 18 1990 13:42 | 3 |
| Fred Couples is a long hitter who is having a pretty good year. Boom
Boom will win it this year.
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939.19 | Tough Threesome | CASPRO::BELFORTI | | Fri May 18 1990 14:43 | 10 |
| I think one of these three players will win the open. They are as
follows:
1. Nick Faldo
2. Seve Ballestoros
3. Greg Norman
Mark
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939.20 | Introducing, from way out in left field... | CURIE::TDAVIS | | Mon May 21 1990 10:57 | 15 |
| I'm not sure who will win the US Open, but I'm damned sure who won't:
Seve. It's just not his kind of outing. Too narrow tee shot and too
much trouble if he misses it. Maybe if he reworks his game ala
Faldo...
Speaking of Faldo, he's got to be one of the top contenders. From the
American front Payne and Ben are good shots (Ben did well the last
time the Open was at Medina). Both have been hot recently. And If I
were to pick a sentimental favorite, it would be Crenshaw.
But the winner--as is the case more with the US Open than any other
major--will be someone NOBODY picks (except me). It will be...
Peter Jacobson
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939.21 | 2 U.S. OPEN TIX FOR MEDINAH | AIMHI::CROCKETT | | Tue May 22 1990 12:59 | 5 |
| I have a friend who purchased 2 U.S. Open Tickets for Friday June 15TH at
Medinah CC. He is unable to go and is looking to sell them. The face value
of these tickets is $35 each. If anyone is interested in purchasing
them, please contact me and I will give you his phone number to make
arrangements.
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939.22 | Open Qualifying "The Numbers" | DPDMAI::VENEZIO | MY other car is a GOLFCART | Wed May 23 1990 13:08 | 13 |
| As a follow up to an earlier note here are the numbers
6198 entries will attempt to qualify for the '90 Open.(Pro's included)
Of the 6198, 600 will advance to 12 Sectional sites across the country.
The 600 will play another 36 holes and 94 will advance to the Open.
62 spots are already filled by players exempt from qualifying.
Your chances are:
1 in 10 to advance to the Sectional's.
1 in 16 to qualify from the Sectional's to the Open.
< 1 in 50 to advance from entry to the Open.
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939.23 | Curtis Strange | SAFETY::TOOHEY | | Wed May 23 1990 18:39 | 1 |
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939.24 | Fuzzy Zoeller | MSHRMS::GOGUEN | | Thu May 24 1990 10:39 | 2 |
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939.25 | Waiting for annual "Golden Bear" pick | SIOUXI::BREEN | | Tue May 29 1990 14:01 | 13 |
| I think the "pond" argument isn't so much about ability as it is style.
The Americans have had to tailer there game to the monster drive,
deadly pitch and perfect putting to win money which is what most of
them are mainly out there for. That's why the open brings out another
type of player (Hale Irwin) and is a great opportunity for the great
all-around games of the Europeans. Would Woosnam for example be able
to make more money competing on PGA tour than European Tour?
Most likely given the PACRIM golfers (Jumbo,Grady) that someone other
than the top 5 U.S. and European names will win - for example Peter
Jacobsen or 50 like him.
I'll pick Scott Hoch.
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939.26 | Faldo/Crenshaw | WALTA::LENEHAN | Relax... think golf | Tue May 29 1990 14:54 | 13 |
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Gazing into the crystal ball... the images are familiar, but
difficult to pick out. Wait there's one coming in , it's none
other than Nick Faldo grouped with Ben Crenshaw? Hmmm, wonder
if this means ANOTHER playoff?? Something tells me it'll come
down to the last hole, but it won't be a playoff...
As far as Curtis Strange making it 3 in a row ??? He won't even
get close.
Although I really like Curtis... he's not playing the same game
he used to.
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939.27 | MR FALDO WINS SECOND LEG OF THE SLAM | PARITY::DEMERS | | Tue May 29 1990 15:46 | 12 |
| No question about it.... NICK FALDO will win the open this time.
Medinah is one of the toughest courses around without any
changes....add to that deeper rough and faster greens and
you have a course where the winner will be lucky to break
par. Nick Faldo has the patients and the putting stroke to
win this tournament and he will.
Headlines in the Chicago Trib read :
FALDO WINS THE US OPEN WITH 72 PARS IN A ROW..........
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939.28 | No intensity... | GRANPA::RFAGLEY | | Tue May 29 1990 19:00 | 8 |
| I'd like to pick Curtis, but the odds are against him, and he's been
lousy so far this year. Maybe he needs to bitch more, throw clubs
a few feet further, and tell the crowd to quiet down more often.
I think he's on vacation this year...
I like Freddy Couples chances.
Rick
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939.29 | | AYOV21::OPS | | Tue May 29 1990 20:04 | 13 |
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I have just read an article on Medinah C.C and the journalist states
that the course is probably one of the "longest, most repetitive
and tedious" he has ever played. He goes on to say that if "great
courses produce great champions" then the 1990 US Open will be won
by "Scott Simpson,or failing him,any other American professional
with a personality rating of zero".
Having seen an illustrated, hole by hole guide to Medinah I think
it looks a tremendous course.
Any thoughts,
Derek.
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939.30 | Brutal (But GREAT !) Golf Course | ASABET::VARLEY | | Wed May 30 1990 10:44 | 8 |
| I played Medinah # 3 last summer and it is the hardest golf course I
have ever seen. Period. Shinnecock, Turnberry, Portmarnock, Carnoustie
or Portrush might be harder in the wind, but I always seemed to catch
them on mild days (except one time at Shinnecock in May which featured
a monsoon). If the wind blows at Medinah you will not believe the
scores. The Pros aren't even playing it all the way back...
-- Jack
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939.31 | picked him last year too | DINSCO::BURKE | Network Management | Tue Jun 05 1990 14:25 | 2 |
| Curtis Strange.
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939.32 | Tom Kite | DNEAST::STEVENS_JIM | | Tue Jun 05 1990 14:27 | 5 |
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Gonna do it this year, yes sirree....
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939.33 | First round... | MSEE::KELLEY | Custom club fitting/club repairs | Fri Jun 15 1990 10:10 | 62 |
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Well, I thought this note would be full of info on the first round...!
I only got to see less than � hour of coverage so I hope somebody that
saw more will post some highlights.
The players are unexpectedly beating the course, due to a storm that
went through the night before and softened things up a bit...!
The leaders are...
Scott Simpson 66
Jeff Sluman 66
Tim Simpson 66
Mike Donald 67
Steve Jones 67
John Huston 68
Mark Brooks 68
Billy Ray Brown 69
Emlyn Aubrey 69
Bob Tway 69
Hale Irwin 69
Brad Faxon 70
Gil MOrgan 70
Ian Woosnam 70
Mike Reid 70
Scott Hoch 70
Tom Byrum 70
Webb Heintzelman 70
Tom Sieckmann 70
Ray Stewart 70
Larry Rinker 70
Brian Claar 70
Randy Wylie 70
Nicklaus 71
Norman 72
Azinger 72
Gamez 72
Faldo 72
Olazabal 73
Strange 73
Calcavecchia 73
Ballesteros 73
P. Stewart 73
Zoeller 73
Couples 74
Watson 74
Kite 75
Crenshaw 75
Langer 78
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939.34 | Cut | DSTEG2::SOUZA | Just say "NO" to Decaf | Fri Jun 15 1990 10:15 | 6 |
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many people make the cut,
and how the cut is determined.
Steve
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939.35 | | DPDMAI::VENEZIO | MY other car is a GOLFCART | Fri Jun 15 1990 10:26 | 11 |
| The cut is made at the top 60 or 70 and anyone within 10 shots of the
lead. Usually around 70 players.
I had the VCR working overtime yesterday and caught all 6 hours. The
scores were suprisingly low due to the storm. An interesting note, the
last time the Open was played at Medinah the first round leader was at
7 under par (again due to rain) and the winner shot 3 over. You can bet
the USGA had the sprinklers off last night and by the time the Open is
through the winner will be the course and a player around even par.
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939.36 | ...But more rain is on the way | CURIE::TDAVIS | | Fri Jun 15 1990 11:28 | 9 |
| The only problem is that rain is forecast for the Chicago area right
through Sunday. It'll be another open like last year's. Too bad. Soft
greens make the course a whole lot easier for these guys, taking away
some of the pressure from an already pressure-packed event. That
brings a lot more of the field into contention, bringing the best out
of the mediocre instead of the best out of the best, as a major is
supposed to do. Still, it should be fun to watch, even if it's just a
battle of the Simpsons...
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939.37 | Curtis vs. the field | 5WOOD::FITZPATRICK | Today my jurisdiction ends here. | Fri Jun 15 1990 11:36 | 5 |
| I've got a bet with my future-father-in-law. He picked Curtis and
gave me the rest of the field. Boy, that 6-pack is gonna taste good...
-Tom
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939.38 | 7 under??? | GRANPA::RFAGLEY | | Sat Jun 16 1990 23:32 | 9 |
| Another tid bit... Former mini tour player, and regular golf partner
Bob Sweitzer played Medina back about 10 years ago right before
entering the mini. He played with 3 other tour professionals and the
best score that day was 80. He shot 84 and felt he played well. He
thinks the equipment used today is worth 10 shots on that course to
every player over that used 10 years ago. I think something like
7 under was good enough to win the last time Medina hosted the Open.
Rick
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939.39 | No threes | GRANPA::RFAGLEY | | Sat Jun 16 1990 23:34 | 4 |
| Looks like my hero is still on vacation. Curtis ain't workin' like
he should be!
Rick
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939.40 | How do They Shoot Those Numbers ? | ASABET::VARLEY | | Mon Jun 18 1990 11:19 | 15 |
| I've got to agree with the remarks about equipment making the scores
lower. Medinah is the hardest course I've ever played and when you
consider how the USGA sets up a course for an Open, it should have been
impossible. Then they get it 8 UNDER!!
I'll bet if the course was 8000 yards long, but soft, some of those
guys would STILL make a number. I think that unless the next Open is
played under hard, dry and windy conditions we'll continue to see low
scores because there can't be harder layouts than Medinah (unless the
USGA "tricks" the course up).
It's kind of a shame that courses are no longer strong enough to
withstand todays players and equipment to the point where par for 4
rounds is a good score. But, "that's golf," and I have to take my hat
off to the players.
--Jack
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