Conference 7.286::golf

    
    	Rules
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    	1.  Have fun and relax.
    
    	2.  Play ONE round of 18 holes. Multiple attempts wouldn't be fair.
    
    	3.  Play with at least one other DEC golfer.
    
    	4.  Play on a course with a slope of no easier than X . 
    	    X will have to be discussed.
    
    	5.  Send your scores to your area rep.
    
    	6.  Preferred lies of 6" in fairways.
    
    

    
    This may be a dumb and stupid question, but I'll ask it anyways.
    
    The way I understand slopes is that they are a PGA (or USGA?) item.
    Would the rest of the world also have their courses sloped? If not, how
    do you adjust scores??
    
    --Bob
    

    Hi Bob,
    
    	Is slope a worldwide thing? I'm not sure myself. Guess we'll have
    to wait for a European reply. If it isn't, I'm sure there'll be some
    method we could use to set a minimum difficulty. We could even make it
    simple, and make it a yardage requirement?
    
    Gene Kelley has signed up to play and help out... thanks Gene!
    
    Gene has asked if the tournament will be gross or net? 
    
    The way I envision it, it will be gross... that way everyone is
    qualified.  The area competitions will have individual shoot outs, with
    the lowest four scores representing that area. Tie breakers will have
    to be decided etc. Then, we can simply place the lowest four rounds 
    of an area into a group, total their scores... do that for each area.
    An area maybe a quadrent of a state, or of the country, depending on
    tournout. If their are four areas for Mass. the four will be looked
    at for the lowest totals. Then they will go on to inter-state
    competition. Until we end up with the best foursome representing USA.
    
    With this format I'm hoping things will go quickly...
    
    	Walta

	Slope isn't even adopted universally US wide, yet.

	I say play the ball down.

	We should have a net category, DEC league handicaps allowed on
	same course as league, otherwise recognized golf ruling body
	handicaps (USGA, MGA, etc.)

	Sounds like fun.

	Larry

    Walta,
      Count us in here on the West Coast (at least WRO) ! We have a 
    golf league already established so it shouldn't be hard to find
    the best golfers, in fact we already know who they are.
        How about some sort of alternate handicap sytem for this event.
    Perhaps Calloway or something like that. I don't think Slope has
    been implemented worldwide but we could resort to the old style
    of playing the same cap at whatever course you play. Gross would also
    work but I would defintely be out of it. My scores are a little to
    gross 8^) !! As for just using yardage, I could pick some pretty
    easy courses out here just based on their yardage so how about if
    we play on some course that gets a lot of tourney play by the
    amateur associations ? Usually they are a more challenging test.
    
    Mad Hacker

    Forgot to mention this in my previous reply .5 . I also
    agree with Larry that we play the ball down. A net division
    would be nice as then I could play too !!!!!
    
    Mad Hacker

 Mail I received from Gene

>	Hi again,

>	Some questions...

>	Let's say that you use only a gross format and you get X amount
>	of ties (there will surely be a lot of ties). What do you use
>	to break the ties...? What happens once you select the top 4
>	(was it going to be 4) players from the US? Do they then some
>	how go out and a play a tourney round of 36-72 holes some place?
>	They are likely to be from all over the country...!

>	Gene

    Hi Gene and other noters,
	
	Here's an example of how I see it going... Lets say Mass. has two
	areas West/East.

Massachusetts West best four individual scores with ties  = 80,80,80,80 = 320
	
Massachusetts East 			       		  = 80,80,80,81 = 321

Mass West would then enter interstate competition using their 320. With all
    the players who contributed 80's listed as the Mass area team.

	If say there are 5 states that have tied for first with 320... then
	we simply use 320 as our USA score. With the 5 states (representing
	20+ players) all in it against the best foursome score from Europe.

	This way ties won't prolong the tournament, just add more names to
	the USA/European team.
	

	On Playing them down
	
	Playing them down is good at the nice courses, but most courses 
	have difficult conditions... if just one person rolls it over
	in the fairway, because of a huge divot etc. then everyone 
	should be allowed to. However, if the majority feels we play em
	down... we play em down.

	On Providing a Net Tournament

	I picked the gross format to keep things simple. If someone would
	like to run the Net tournament , we could make it a parallel effort.
	All gross entrees mail to me, with the net entrees going to someone
	else. Then the two of us will post our teams and scores at the end?

	Anyone interested in running the DEC World Open Net tournament 
	send me mail .

	thanks,

	Walta

Re: -.1

>	Anyone interested in running the DEC World Open Net tournament 
>	send me mail .

	I assume you were going to call it the DECnet World Open but were
	afraid of trademake problems. ;-)  I would volunteer to arrange, but
	right now I'm too busy.

	Larry

    I have been reading this notes file for a considerable period of
    time but this is the first time I have responded. I like the idea
    of a DEC workd open but wonder how/if it can be accomplished outside
    the USA. I live in Geneva and belong to Domaine Imperial in Gland
    (I think it is now rated as the 29th best in Europe although it
    is only 3 years old, a Pete Dye layout). My concerns:
    
    -There is no slope rateings, at least in Switzerland, to my knowledge.
    -The courses are in meters but that can be converted.
    -The handicap system is completely different. (No limits on a given
    hole, only tournament scores count or declared "playing for handicap"
    before you tee off etc). I am an 18 but would probably be about
    a 15 if USGA "rules" were applied.
    
    Golf, at least on the continent, is relatively young. There are
    many new players, most with high handicaps because they have playing
    only for a couple of years. It is very expensive so most people
    start late in life. (Many of our members have been playing three
    years or less and took it up in their 40's, 50's or 60's.) They
    play quite well based on that criteria. 
    
    If I look at EHQ, about a thousand people, I think we have one player
    who may be in single digit handicap. I think what you suggest would
    be great fun but, outside the UK, doubt if we could be competitive
    for a gross score game. I expect there could be much interest if
    we could figure out a way to play net. 
    
    This got a bit long winded. Sorry about that. If anyone wants to
    discuss this further, I am on EUROPE::CEHRS. 
    
    Regards, Haskell.

    Nope, no 'slope' rating over in the UK. We use the Standard Scratch
    Score (SSS) as a measure of the difficulty of the course. This is a
    figure, like the par of the course and is usually within a couple of
    shots of the true par, meant to be a reflection what the scratch player
    should shoot. I doubt this provides a large range of difficulties of
    courses that your slope would, although I know nothing about slope. The
    UK 'difficulty rating' would then be given by SSS less the actual par.
    In most cases I supsect this would only be 1 or 2 shots. 
    
    I'd guess the rest of Europe uses SSS as well?
    
    Playing up/down. Placing on fariways is only ever used over here in
    winter or exceptional GUR situations passed as a local rule. I don't
    know if that's the same over in the US, but UK golfers might end up
    with some supsicious looks from the Committee if they were seen teeing
    up on the 18th fairway on a fine June afternoon!
    
    Paul

    Hi Everyone,
    
    	Just got off the phone with Sean Pomphrett. Sean has agreed to
    handle the DEC World Open for Ireland. Sean said that Ireland also
    uses the Standard Scratch Score measure for course difficulty. We
    in the US also have a course rating, called the stroke rating SR, correct
    me if I'm wrong...  That sounds identical to the European SSS. Being
    that we have UK's input from Paul Nock, and Ireland from Sean, lets
    consider the differential against the SSS or SR to be the measure of
    scoring against par , scored as either + or -  X number of strokes.
    
    Example:  Course name DEC World CC    SSS or SR of (71)  par = 72
    	
    	Player #1    shoots 80	     80-71= +9
    	Player #2    shoots 68	     68-71= -3
    	Player #3    shoots 90       90-71= +19
    	Player #4    shoots 72       72-71= +1
    
    	 team        shoots		  = +26   Gross
    
    
    
    Playing them Down/up has been decided = We will play them down.
    
    Method of playing Net is still being discussed. Any input is welcomed.
    
    
    Keep the entrees coming ! Don't forget your name and address...
    	
    	Thanks,
    
    		Walta
    
    
    PS. Rumor has it, the trophy maybe a six pack of Bud. So you can see
    	some people are taking this seriously ;) !!
    	

    
    
    To avoid confusion with "DEC World" ... it has been suggested we
    	change the name of the OPen to,
    
    		DECGolf World Open.
    
    	Sounds good to me.
    
    	Walta

    
    
    	In Australia we use a course rating system similar to that of 
    
    	Europe, however the course is rated higher or lower to par
    
    	i.e. rated 74 par 72..tough course.
    
    	This is a great idea but travel restrictions in Australia
    
    	would limit competition to major cities only, then cross
    
    	competition with these is not possible unless golfers
    
    	want to fork out for airfairs and accomodation.
    
    
    	I think to do this seriously DEC as a corporation should 
    
    	be involved...can this be done???
    
    
    	I'm willing to be an organiser in Oz should things get serious.
    
    	Lotsa luck
    	Luke

    
    	Hi Luke,
    	
    	Good to hear from Australia ! Don't worry about cross competitions,
    the format requires you simply "compare" your scores against another
    area of your country, with the lowest four scores winning the right
    to represent Australia.
    
    	Thanks for helping out Luke, you will be the Australia
    Representative. 
    
    
    	thanks,
    
    	Walta
    
    

    
    	Hi Everyone,
    
    	The country's I've heard from to date are;
    
    	
    	USA
    	Ireland
    	UK
    	Australia
    	Switzerland
    
    
    		thanks,
    
    		Walta
    	

			DECGolf	World OPen		
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	DESCRIPTION
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		The DECGolf World Open will be BOTH a GROSS and NET 
	tournament. Any DEC employee is welcomed to take part. But
	to enter the NET tournament you must have a handicap. All
	league handicaps will be valid with a maximum handicap of 28 
	for 18 holes. One 18 hole score can be entered in BOTH tourny's.
	
	The competition will be excellent and FUN for all !! Where the USA
	DEC employees will use their best four GROSS and NET scores
	against the best four GROSS and NET scores of the DEC employees 
	around the world. All for the right to claim their country
	as having the BEST golfers in DEC ! Prizes are being considered.

	WHEN?
	-----------
		
		ENTREES- All entrees must be mailed to me by MAY 11th.
		
		If you already sent me mail without including your
		handicap... but you'd like to enter your score in
		both GROSS and NET tourny's, please send mail
		including all the info requested below.

					sorry for the incovenience.

		WHERE? -  WALTA::LENEHAN

			 
			Include your name -
				your address- Country, state, city  etc.
				DEC Building -	
				handicap for 18 holes; if any -
				DTN -

		18 HOLES COMPLETED BY- One round of 18 holes of golf with 
			at least one other DEC employee must be reported 
			to the country representative by JUNE 29th.

	COUNTRY	REPRENTATIVES
	---------------------

		A posting of all country representatives will be upcoming.


		After you play 18 holes and want to enter your score
	in the tourny... simply send mail to your country's Rep.
	If you do not know who that is, send the following info to
	WALTA::LENEHAN.	
			Include 
				- your name and handicap
				- your partners name 
				- the Course Name
				- the stroke rating
				- your GROSS score 
				- your NET score


	REQUIREMENTS
	------------

	GROSS tournament-

		1. You must have fun.
		2. You must be a DEC employee.
		3. You must play 18 holes with at least one other DEC
		   employee (entered in the tourny).
		4. You must play only ONE round. Multiple attempts to shoot
		   a low score wouldn't be fair.
		5. PLAYING 9 HOLES TWICE NOT ALLOWED.

	NET tournament-

		1. You must have fun.
		2. You must be a DEC employee.
		3. You must have "at least" a league handicap- 
		   - maximum allowed handicap of 28 for 18 holes. In the case
		   of having more than one handicap, USGA type and a league
		   handicap. Pick the USGA type over the league handicap.
		4. You must play 18 holes with at least one other DEC
		   employee.
		5. You must play only ONE round. Multiple attempts to shoot
		   a low score wouldn't be fair.		
		6. PLAYING 9 HOLES TWICE NOT ALLOWED.		

	  Good Luck!! The USA team is looking mean  ;[ GRRrrrrrr  !!!

    What about the size of the balls. Europeans use a smaller ball with the
    same size cup so they go in easier and also they go further. The same ball
    is illegal in the U.S.A. and has pirate label or something similar. I
    understand that the pros in Europe use the USGA standard but that the
    regular golf is with the original standard.

    I must apologize for my late response to this note...As much as I
    believe that Canada should be represented in the tourney and want to
    post a score, I have no partner. So if there is any closet readers out
    there in the Toronto area or are coming to Toronto from within Canada,
    please contact me.
    
       Craig Henry@TRC (all in 1)
    or KAOFS::C_HENRY  (vms mail)
    
    great white north golf fanatic

    re .17
    The smaller ball has been outlawed in all major amateur (as well
    as pro) competitions in ireland and the UK, and, I assume on the
    continent as well. The result is that most - if not all - players
    now use the 1.68" ball. I have not even SEEN a 1.62" ball in the
    past several years, but maybe there are some people out there who
    play so seldom that they have not yet worn out or lost their supplies
    of the small one yet.
    In case you are worried we will beat you with the small ball, have
    you any idea how big .06 of an inch is? Apart from being slightly
    smaller in relation to the hole, you also have a slightly smaller
    target to aim your clubhead at when hitting.
    
    I hope you are not starting making excuses for losing before we
    even play -). It's time enough for that when the results are in.
    
    Does anyone else have any more myths about Golf on this side of
    the pond they want debunked/explained? 
    Sean - who has played on both sides, sometimes better than others!

    
    Rules
    	
    
    	Each country will abide by the rules of their governing golf
    	association.
    
    	After this years tournament we can look back at how things went
    	and make changes (if neccessary) for next years DECgolf World Open.
    
    	If everyone playing uses the rules and equipment they are most
    	accustomed to, (abiding by their country's ruling golf body) it'll
    	make it easier to understand the rules.
    
    	thanks,
    
    	Walta

    No excuses meant, Sean. Although a bit curious I really wanted to liven
    it up a bit. Thanks for the information as I learned somthing as well.
    
                                                           Phil

     Do you guys over the pond use "the grease ?"
    
    --Jack (who is MUCH longer with vaseline...).

    Are the foot niblick and hand mashie allowed?   8^)

    
    
    Hi Everyone,
    
    	Just wanted to mention that there has not been very many entrees
    	into the tourny. I have the feeling some of the country's can pull
    	together a good quantity of patriotic duffers, but I have yet to
    	receive any.
    
    	To date I have maybe.... 15 confirmed par_takers in the first 
    	DECGolf World Open. I can understand how we Americans maybe
    	intimidating to the rest of the DEC world with our arragance ;) 
    	... but I never thought we'd intimidate ourselves. Now that's
    	intimidation !!
    
    
    	humbly,
    
    	Walta

    I would love to par-take of this fun sounding competition, but
    I fear that I would be an unfair handicap to the team I play on.
    I played 9 holes last week, just to see how I was getting on.
    The score shall remain a mystery, but suffice it to say that Faldo
    would have been pleased with this score for 18 !  8^(
    
    Wayne (who_is_booking_some_lessons_with_a_pro_tonight)
          

    
    	Where the heck are all the competators/players/whatever in this
    	conference/company lately? Is everbody still in hiberation? Very
    	little interest expressed here and very little interest being
    	expressed for the league tourney...! Seriously what is going on?
    
    	Gene

    I work in a small office with no other golfers.  There aren't any DEC
    leagues either.  I'd love to play, but I've got to find another way.
    
    Rick

    
    
    The Mad Hacker has responded with 44 golfers representing the USA west
    	coast. MH says he simply post the scores from a DEC tourny he'll
    	be playing in.
    
    	Sounds easy. If you are playing in a DEC tourny, why not do the
    same thing as MH? They usually have all the scores posted, net and
    gross... all you'd have to do (sounds like a salesman) is jot down
    the best 4 gross and net scores, what course you played and the stroke
    rating. Then send the info to Walta::Lenehan. I'll do the rest.
    
    	If the person/persons want credit for shooting one of the low
    	scores, that person will have to provide their name . Then I'll
    	post their score and name here, as a representative for their 
    	country.
    
    	Send me mail if you will be attending a DEC tourny and can help
    	the DECGolf World OPen cause. That means YOU ! ;)
    
    	thanks  Walta

    re: .17
    
    I do not beleive the "British size golf ball" 1.62 vs. 1.68 has been
    used in at least 5 years. I have a relative over there and asked to get
    some Titlest British size ball and he found out the only sell one size
    now the American size 1.68 which has been adopted by the R&A as the
    official ball of all events. Aren't strandards great??


  
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        Cool man!  That was Great Walta!  There are going to be some
      dudes across the pond that are going to have a cow trying to
      figure out what we're talking about.   ;^)
    
    -rick

	Hi Everyone !


	The following list represents all the entrees for the first DECgolf
	World Open. As you can see the number of entrees was small considering
	the number of cars missing from the DEC parking lots all over the world
	when it's sunny and in the 70's ! But lets play anyhow !

	Instead of making this a USA against everyone else... lets just play
	and post scores for an individual competition. So go to it ! Play
	18 holes with another DEC employee... if you can't get another DEC
	employee to play with you :( , I'd up and leave ! But we'll trust
	you... play 18 somewhere, and post your score.


	Please play your round before June 2nd... then when your done,
	mail me -

		WALTA::LENEHAN

			include-         your score  gross -
					 your score  net -
					 Course Stroke rating -
					 Course name -

	Everyone play from the back tees.


	Here are the players, if anyone else would like to play just join
	right in !

	thanks everyone;

	Walta


	Walta::Lenehan	! Walt Lenehan USA 
	MSEE::Kelley	! Gene Kelley USA 
	RayBok::cooper	! Jim Cooper  USA 
	21007::feeney   ! Phil Feeney  USA
	57894::lacaire  ! Steve Lacaire USA
	58222::legato::mrgate::"relief::a08::oconnor.richard" ! USA
	21007::athomas  ! Andy Thomas USA
	Golfen::blaisdell ! Rick Blaisdell USA
!============================================================================
	macnas::spomphrett	!Sean Pomphrett Ireland
	gidday::barnier	! Luke Barnier  Australia
	60709::vette	! Lindsay Vette Australia
	europe::cehrs	! Haskell Cehrs Switzerland
	51657::stkmts::mrgate::"a1gota1::jan arfwidsson" !  Sweden
	51323::maja   	! Maja-Stina Nilsson    Sweden
	Kaofs::c_henry	! Craig Henry	Canada

    
    
    	Three more entrees -
    
    	
    
    	16400::Latham	! Harold Latham   USA
    	16400::Butler	! Bill Butler	 USA
    
    	Levers::Karkman	! Rainer Karkman  Finland
    
    
    	thanks  Walta

    Where are all the Brits, who stood up for our 'Cow Pastures' ??
    
    If I'm left to represent U.K., then we are in trouble !
    
    			Wayne

    
    Hi Everyone,
    
    	A couple people have mentioned the need for an extension of the 
    	deadline to get your scores in. Also I feel it would be best if
    	we made an allowance for posting your best effort.
    
    	To do this, you may post your BEST 18 holes, played under the
    	same rules as previously mentioned. You will also have until 
    	September 1st 1990 to mail me your score. The round must be
    	played with a fellow DEC employee. So play as many as you can
    	until Sept 1st and send me the best 18 hole score !
    
    	For all others that haven't signed up yet to participate in the
    	Worlds easiest/cheapest tournament, you STILL can ! Unless of
        course you won't be playing 18 holes at anytime with a DEC
    	employee from now until Sept 1st !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !#@$%
    
  
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    Walta

    Walta,
        Had a great time at C-F and The Orchards (till my legs gave out)!!
    Didn't mention it when I saw you but we had a 64 for low net in the
    tournament played at Harding Park in San Francisco on May 12th !!!
    one of our high handicappers burned up the course. I'll make an
    offical posting when I get back to work on the 29th. Low gross was
    a 79 by none other than Al Brunelle (ex Burlington employee) but he
    plans to do better in the upcoming weeks. The 64 will probably stand !
    
    Mad Hacker

    
    	Hey where is Walta these days? Is he still on his honeymoon...?

    
    
    	Hi Everyone !!
    
    		Just got back into work after three weeks off ! Eunhwa and
    	I were happily Maui'd on June 9th... spent one week in Maui then
    	one week in Kuai, then 1/2 week in Leominster... then I went 
    	on a canoe trip with three of my rowdy friends on the Saco river
    	in New Hampshire/Maine. Eunhwa stayed home and party'd with 
    	other friends. 
    
    	Right now I'm just catching up on all the good golf notes ! Gee
    	I usually only have 2 unseen notes max, so having 30+ notes to read
    	is like heaven ;) !
    
    	Nice to be back ! Hope everyone has been behaving themselves and
    	not working too hard (except on lowering their caps ) :)
    
    
    	Walta

   Welcome back Walta and Eunhwa!  Congratulations too!  

   Do you want us to send you our scores as we get them or should we wait
   till the end?

   -rick

      Ps.  Don't forget to sign up for the Challenge Cup.

    
    
    Aloha !
    
    	Thanks Rick !
    
    	Simply keep playing 18 holes with at least one other DECster and
    report your best 18 hole score GROSS and NET to me WALTA::LENEHAN
    along with the employee's name you played with, the course name
    and "par for the course" ( all the usual stuff )
    by NO LATER than SEPT 1st. AFter which I will tally everything up
    and announce the winners. 
    
    	Walta
    	
    

    
    
    	So far the Mad Hacker's tournament yielded a LOW NET of 64...
    					             LOW GROSS of 79 ...
    
    	The Maynard Golf League Stow South Tournament was played on
    	June 2nd and the low scores were, ( par 72 course )
    
    		Walter Lenehan 	-  LOW GROSS      76  
    		Walter Lenehan  -  LOW NET	  76 - 8 = 68 
    
    	So we have at this time	the LOW NET 64
    				the LOW GROSS 76
    
    	Your Maddest of Hackers- Could you please post here, the persons
    name who shot the 64 NET ? Thanks.
    
    
    	Keep the Low scores coming  ! This is the Worlds only on-going
    multi-national, multi-monthonal, multi-roundable,any course-able,
    any time-able, entree free-able tourny . DON't be the only person
    in the World not entered !!!!!!! Your friends will make fun of
    you ;) ...  hee hee  (see they're already chuckling)
    
    	Walta
    

    Walta,
       There has been an upset !!! Mike Gallucci of our Cupertino facility
    fired an outstanding 83 gross - 62 NET !!!! at the Santa Clara Golf &
    Tennis Club last Sunday (June 24th) to take the lead in West Coast
    scoring. We can't beat the 76 that you posted for gross !!! We have
    two more tourneys before the closeout on 1 Sep. so lookout !!! Every
    one is working on their games and trying their best to post some really
    good scores.
    
    Mad Hacker

    Wow, some guy shot an 83 with a 21 handicap..
    
    Wish I could do that..
    
    Jim
    

    Yea, in our previous tourney he shot a 102 ! I'm a 24 and my scores
    go from 87 to 110 with no idea when either one might happen.
    
    Mad Hacker

Re: .-1

>    Yea, in our previous tourney he shot a 102 ! I'm a 24 and my scores
>    go from 87 to 110 with no idea when either one might happen.

	If you knew when each one would happen that would be called
	sandbagging! ;-)

  
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    Hi Walta-
       Well, this Saturday (18th) four Deccies will set out
    to smash the current low net and gross postings in the
    DEC world Open. There hasn't been much activity lately
    so maybe our challenge will stir some more action.
    I am at the top of my game and with my 22.7 index the
    net score may be in jeopardy !! Also, my erstwhile playing
    companion says he will shoot scratch or better !! The other
    two players are just as confident that they will take the
    lead but I say PHOOEY !!! We will be playing at the Van
    Buskirk muni in Stockton, Calif. Maybe we should call
    this the Rider-Mower cup !!
    
    Mad Hacker

    
    
    	Hi MH,
    
    	Sounds like you guys mean bussiness ! The -10 NET score will be
    	real tough to beat, but I feel the +3 GROSS may not hold up ...
    
    	Everyone still has till SEPT 1st :)  keep trying !
    
    	Walta

     Re.48 - "Hacker," 22.7 the way you've been playing ? Get yourself a
    ski mask and a gun !
    
    --Jack

    Hi Jack -
       Yea, I've picked a few pockets these last 3 weeks !! Only
    getting back what went out over the winter though ! 8^)
    Everyone wants me for their partner right now, quite a change !!!
    
    Mad Hacker

        Well, no new low scores to post in the net division !!
    MH fired a fat 93 for net 71 Saturday so I will try again
    another day. Figure there are at least 6 more tries before
    the 1st of Sep rolls around. In the gross division however
    we may have a tie. Al Brunelle, a sales rep here in my office,
    shot a 3 over par for 75. We played at the Van Buskirk golf
    course in Stockton Calif at a distance of 6155 yds. Not a lot
    of distance but a lot of wind and water. Jay Pappas, a software
    engineer working temporarily in the Santa Clara area, had his
    putter desert him early in the round and would rather not have
    his score publicly aired ! Jay is a 5-handicapper playing out
    of the Framingham CC.
    
    Mad Hacker

    
    
    Hi Everyone,
    
    	The DEC Golf World OPen is over, as of Sept 1st. Scores are
    	being tabulated.
    
    	A couple of people thought there was a rule that all players
    	play from the BLUE tees... this was not a rule. If you
    	have a valid score from a match with a fellow DECster, that
    	was from the White tees or others, simply include the
    	adjusted stroke index/slope (from that set of tees) with
    	your score. It should be lower than that from the back
    	tees... and mail it to me. Provided the match was played
    	prior to the Sept 1st deadline .
    
    	I'll wait a couple of days to receive any further scores
    	then post the winners.
    
    	thanks Walta

    
    				FINAL RESULTS
    
    			      DECgolf World Open
    
    		LOW GROSS -
    
    		1ST PLACE
    
    		Walter Lenehan		    score	   76		
    		Stow Acres South Course (Blue tees)       -70.5		
    		Stow Massachusetts
    		Par 72  Course rating 70.5 slope 120       -------	
    		6520 yards		                   5.5 over par
    
    **		2ND PLACE
    
    		Al Brunelle			score	    75
    		Van Buskirk Golf Course (White tees)	   -69.2
    		Stockton California
    		Par 72	Course rating 69.2 slope 110	   -------
    		6570 yards			           5.8 over par
    
    
    
    		LOW NET -
    
    		1ST PLACE
    
    		Mike Gallucci		    score	   83
    		Santa Clara Golf + Tennis Club		  -70.5
    		Sant Clara California                     -------
    		Par 72  Course rating 70.5 slope 118	   12.5 over par 
    		Handicap 21				  -21.0
    							  -------
    							   8.5 under par
    
    			
    		Thanks Everyone for all the fun ! We received scores 
    		from all over the World and everyone worked together
    		to make things run smooth.
    
    		Next year I'll remove the rule stating you must play
    		the round with another DEC employee. This proved to be
    		unfair to the countries that did not have a large
    		group of employees to choose from, and wanted to enter
    		a score.
    
    **		The scores for LOW GROSS were so close I added the 2ND
    		PLACE slot.
    	
    		
    
    		Thanks again,
    				Walta

     Way to go, Walta ! Glad those EDGEs' are working. Did you knock it on
    #14 in two ? I really like the back nine of the South course. The front
    is pretty much garbage, but the back 9 more than makes up for it,IMHO.
     How does it feel to be the best golfer in DEC worldwide (that oughta
    start some lips flappin'...) ?
    
    --Jack (Doctor Yonex).

    Reply -1
    
    	Thanks Jack. The winning round was played earlier in the year
    	with the Wilson 1200GE's... I have a lot of fond memories of
    	those irons !  
    
    	Stow South front nine hasn't the difficulty of the back nine,
    	because it allows you more holes to spray your tee shot and
    	still recover. From the blue tees the 2nd is TOUGH, and the 7th
    	is a difficult par 3 playing 230 yards... the rest of the nine
    	holes are basic and scoreable. As long as you don't play too
    	aggressive. I shot 41 on the front +5 .
    
    	The back nine has the infamous 16th, which from the blue tees
    	could be a par 5, unless you can routinely draw a high hard
    	3 wood about 230-260 . The 14th makes up for the 16th by
    	giving in to a high hard slice/fade, which if done right
    	can leave you 150 yard 2nd shot to a par 5.  I hit straight
    	long tee shots on both holes, and put myself in bad positions.
    	Scrambled to birdie the 14th and par the 16th... ended up
    	with a 35 on the back  -1 .
    
    	I expected to see lower scores, we need to get the info for
    	the tourny out to more people... I know a few golfers who
    	would have posted some looow numbers. Maybe we could have
    	the DTW run an advertisement next year?
    
    	Walta

Re: -.1

>    	Stow South front nine hasn't the difficulty of the back nine,
>    	because it allows you more holes to spray your tee shot and
>    	still recover. From the blue tees the 2nd is TOUGH, and the 7th
>    	is a difficult par 3 playing 230 yards... the rest of the nine
>    	holes are basic and scoreable. 

	I've got to disagree with your assessment of the nines.  I play
	the South pratically every week during the season.  The back nine is 
	the easier nine.  It doesn't require length, but rewards accuracy.
	Since they removed the OB stakes  between fairways 1, 9, & 8 you
	can hit your ball anywhere on those holes.  You can easily get
	your ball into deep trouble on 2, the right side of 4, and all of
	5 & 6.

	However I think it's say to say that the South is a better
	course than the North ;-)!

	Larry

     HALF of it's better...
    
    --JV