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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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898.0. "1990 Masters Picks..." by MSEE::KELLEY (Golfaholic - Clubmaker) Tue Mar 20 1990 08:29

    
    	Well, it is time to go out on the limb again and post your
    	pick/picks for the player to win the Masters...
    
    	Here is Golf Digests picks with their odds...
    
    	Seve Ballesteros	7-1
    	Greg Norman		8-1
    	Curtis Strange		10-1
    	Nick Faldo		12-1
    	Mark Calcavecchia	13-1
    	Tom Kite		13-1
    	Payne Stewart		18-1
    	Ben Cranshaw		20-1
    	Sandy Lyle		25-1
    	Tom Watson		25-1
    	Chip Beck		33-1
    	Mark O'Meara		33-1
    	Ian Woosnam		33-1
    	Mark McCumber		40-1
    	Jose-Maria Olazabal	40-1
    	Paul Azinger		40-1
    	Jack Nicklaus		50-1
    	Scott Hoch		50-1
    
    
    	My pick is Paul Azinger...
    
    	Sentimental picks of Nicklaus or Watson...
    
    	Gene
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898.1he's been so closeWFOV11::GUGLIELMO_TTue Mar 20 1990 09:004
    The way my buddy Calcvecchia has been going look for him to win
    this baby.
    
    Ted
898.2LTDRVR::RASPUZZIMichael Raspuzzi - LAT/VMS EngineeringTue Mar 20 1990 09:545
Tom Kite or Crenshaw...  However, this year maybe Greg Norman's turn.  Ya
never know.  But I am not that confident.  I wouldn't bet my whole life
savings on him :-).

Mike
898.3I'd like to see the shark win it but....LEDS::OBRIENRTue Mar 20 1990 09:566

	The way Calcavecchia has played so far this year, he's gonna be
	tough to beat.  

	Ron
898.4The Shark to win it allSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongTue Mar 20 1990 10:485
    	Well, if I had to pick just 1 player to win it, I'd pick Norman.
    If I had to pick a top five though, I'd choose Norman, Calcaveccia,
    Seve, Azinger and Kite.
    
    Beak
898.564 on SundayGOLFEN::BLAISDELLBart or Homer for presidentTue Mar 20 1990 12:255
    
        I'll pick Norman.  He's amazing on Sundays.  Calcaveccia (Mr.
     Avis) to finish second. 
    
    -rick
898.6"Billy Wins Masters"ROCK::DEVERELLTue Mar 20 1990 12:583
    I'll go with a long shot --- Billy Andrade
    
    /Dave 
898.7Curtis all the waySKID::OBRIENok rabbit where's RockyTue Mar 20 1990 13:004
    Curtis Strange - he is the Open champ but he let the Masters slip away
    from him a few years back (1984/1985 ?) and I know he has not forgotten
    this.  He's ready to capture this major.
        
898.8One for SeveDUGGAN::DIAZTAVO, THE LATIN PUTTERTue Mar 20 1990 13:027
    As always, my  sentimental pick is Seve, but I don't know how well he
    will play without being in the US tour.  Can someone from Europe give
    me some idea how is he doing in the European tour?
    
    A more pragmatic pick is Calccavechia (sp?).
    
    Tavo
898.9Tom Watson...WOODRO::GORDONTue Mar 20 1990 13:191
    
898.10strangeGRANPA::RFAGLEYTue Mar 20 1990 14:083
    Curtis Unusual will be near the top when it's all over...
    
    Rick
898.11TRACTR::OSBORNETue Mar 20 1990 14:091
    Tom Kite........He..is..due !!!!!
898.12CAM::ZIOMEKTue Mar 20 1990 14:187
    
    
    	Norman, buy three strokes (at least) with an eagle on sunday
    on 13. ( The hole with the brook Seve tried to chip out of last
    year if my memory serves me correct )
    
    John-
898.13Faldo?Norman?Mr X?WALTA::LENEHANDrive for show, 2 putt for doughTue Mar 20 1990 14:457
    
    	Gazing into the crystal ball, I can almost see.... wait,
    yes their appears to be a playoff... it's cloudy but I can
    just make out Faldo and Norman and someone else I don't
    recognize.... Oh darn! The crystal ball went black.
    
    Walta
898.14My Mexican buddy Lee TrevinoMPGS::SAURITEES AND CUPSWed Mar 21 1990 01:563
    	This is the year Lee Trevino will go all the way. I think he did 
    qualify from last year.
    
898.15Woosie for the third Euro Green Jacket!SIOG::OGRADYWed Mar 21 1990 05:539
    Ian Woosnam is playing very well so far this year and i'd pick him
    to be top European at the Masters, which going on the last two c'ships
    means he'll win !!
    ...crooked logic but it'll do for now.
    
    Others who will be in the shake-up will be the DC Faldo, Seve, Crenshaw
    ( altho' i'm not sure he's playing very well ).
    
    martin o'
898.16You just can't tell sometimes...KAOFS::C_HENRYWed Mar 21 1990 08:414
    I'll have to go with Calcavecchia...I suspect that you will see a
    pretty strong push from Norman on sunday...(the usual)
    
    great white north golf fanatic
898.17NORMANVICKI::PWILLIAMSWed Mar 21 1990 09:231
    I'll put my money on the shark every time !
898.18Not the Running Rebel..AIMHI::CROCKETTWed Mar 21 1990 11:511
    The Shark has it.
898.19Sir Walrus of course !FRAGLE::STUARTkiss my fahrvergneugenWed Mar 21 1990 12:0510
    
    
    I'll pick Craig Stadler !!  He's had a pretty good year so far
    (especially after losing that putter !) and he usually does well
    at the Masters .....
    
    who finishes second ?? who else !!   Mark Calceveccia   ;^)
    
    ace
    
898.20SHARK BAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOGUSS::COOPERWHAT SLICE, ITS A FADE !!Wed Mar 21 1990 12:266
         Norman will finally recover from his de-Mize at Augusta
    and win the big one !! Mark Complainerveccia will finish some
    where other than 2nd this time as he will probably whine about
    the course and hopefully Hord Hardin will invite him to leave !
    
    Mad Hacker
898.21My pick(s)MSHRMS::GOGUENWed Mar 21 1990 15:005
    Mark Calceveccia or Ben Crenshaw
    
    
    		-Paul
    
898.22Strange for meAYOV27::OPSA mans a man for aw that..Thu Mar 22 1990 05:289
    
    
    
    Hopefully Seve, but he'll probably make one mistake too many.
    
          I go for Curtis Strange
    
       Danny
    
898.23Biased?? Me?? Never!!CHEFS::NEWPORTPThu Mar 22 1990 09:1511
    Two years in succession??
    
    I think it might just happen. Nick Faldo can now never be counted
    out. He's become so consistent over the last 2-3 years. He too can
    win with a last round scorcher if needed. Plus there's not many
    steadier putters around even if it is Augusta.
    
    I think Norman will also be close again.
    
    
    Phil.
898.24huh??WFOV12::GUGLIELMO_TThu Mar 22 1990 09:174
    Compainerveccia?? What does that mean?
    
    Ted
    
898.25Yes thats COMPLAINERVECCIA !!!RAYBOK::COOPERMAD HACKERThu Mar 22 1990 12:015
    What complainerveccia means is that for leading the money
    list and already having 3 seconds this year Mr. C. is really
    turning into a whiner !! (or is that wiener)
    
    Mad Hacker
898.26Give the guy his due without the putdownWFOV11::GUGLIELMO_TThu Mar 22 1990 12:129
    I don't get it a guy shows his feelings on missing putts and finishing
    second all the time and he's a whiner.The guy is probably the best
    player out there and is just trying too get even better and now
    he's a whiner.Curtis Strange did the same and was a jerk.Tell me
    the truth when you make a bad shot do you just say awe heck. No.
    If you are the normal golfer you say something.And you ain't playing
    for 270,000 bucks. Give the guy a break.
    
    Ted
898.27It's PayneSKETCH::PIELThu Mar 22 1990 12:2415
          My pick for the Masters is Payne Stewart (sp). It's only a hunch,
    but he has been playing fairly well so far this year without a win.
    He's due.
    
     I have not considered any of the folks on the European Tour because I
    haven't seen them playing and couldn't make a judgement. Mark C.'s 
    putting problems this year combined with the greens at Augusta
    eliminate him. Greg Norman is a close second to Payne. Greg's been
    doing well, yet that one bad round per tournament still seems to
    plague him.
    
     Can't wait !!!!!
    
    
                         Ken
898.284 seconds for M C...MSEE::KELLEYGolfaholic - ClubmakerThu Mar 22 1990 12:2610
    
    RE: .25
    
    MH,
    
    Just for the record Mark Calcavecchia has had 4 seconds so far this year
    and a 5th, 2 6ths, and 10th place finish. That is 8 top tens out of 11
    tourneys and I don't think he even played in all 11 tourneys...!
    
    Gene
898.29Lets Thrash Him More !RAYBOK::COOPERMAD HACKERThu Mar 22 1990 20:4710
    I never said the whiner couldn't play and I'm sure not calling
    him a whiner because he missed some putts. Have you been reading
    or listening to anything he has had to say about other players
    or courses this year ? Maybe he has just been quoted ever time he
    said something inane. Hopefully Norman will chip in to beat
    him 4 or 5 more times this year just to fry his lizard !!
      And if showing your emotions on the course is being a whiner
    then I guess I better move to the head of a very long line. 
    
    Mad Hacker
898.30Seve's Form-guideCHEFS::NEWPORTPFri Mar 23 1990 04:1918
    Tavo,
    
    From what I've read, Seve hasn't played that much this year. His
    first time out for six weeks was in the Desert Classic in Dubai
    where he 'only' finished third. That was the second European event.
    
    The following week he was about 20th in the Mediterranean Open in
    Marbella and then duly won the next event, the Majorca Open. I'm
    not sure he played last weekend in the Volvo Open in Italy.
    
    Probably more important though is that he says he's happy with his
    game and claims to be swinging the club a lot better than at 
    anytime in the last 6 months.
    
    Sounds like your favourite might be a danger.
    
    
    Phil. 
898.31my picksDINSCO::BURKENetwork ManagementFri Mar 23 1990 10:386
 1 - Mudd
T2 - Norman
T2 - Calcaveccia (sp?)
 3 - Crenshaw
T4 - Kite
T4 - Seve
898.32Little Woosie beats Watson for the greenSELECT::DEMERSFri Mar 23 1990 11:184
    
    Ian Woosnam beats Tom Watson on the third hole of sudden death to win the
    1990 green jacket. 
    
898.33TWIN SMURFSVICKI::PWILLIAMSFri Mar 23 1990 13:202
    re.32
    Naah, you just picked him because he is almost as little as you are !
898.34WFOV11::GUGLIELMO_TFri Mar 23 1990 13:563
    I still say Calc but everybody is forgettingh Freddy Couples
    
    ted
898.35Slow start at this week's tourneyDUGGAN::DIAZTAVO, THE LATIN PUTTERFri Mar 23 1990 14:0511
    Re:                     <<< Note 898.30 by CHEFS::NEWPORTP >>>

    Thanks Phil for the info.
    
    In this weeks  tourney  in the US, the Nestle Invitational where most
    of the  Master foreign players are getting some practice, Seve didn't
    start too strong.   I think he shot 74 yesterday.  Norman as usual is
    also with a slow  start,  I  think  also with a 74 (I read the scores
    this morning in the paper, but I didn't bring it with me.
    
    Tavo
898.36MSEE::KELLEYGolfaholic - ClubmakerFri Mar 23 1990 14:199
    
    RE: .35
    
    Tavo,
    
    You are right about Norman, he shot 74. But, I don't see Seve on the
    listing that I have and it goes up to 77...
    
    Gene
898.37Master's PicksAKOV11::GWILSONSun Mar 25 1990 19:226
    
    
    	1) Greg Norman
    	2) Tom Watson
    	3) Ben Crenshaw
    	4) Jack N.
898.38RINGER::WARFIELDGone GolfingSun Mar 25 1990 21:297

	Well I'll go out on a limb.  My two hunches are:
	If the winner is American - Azinger (ask Gene for the reasons)
	otherwise - Olzabal

	Larry
898.39WORDS::NISKALAWaiting for the golf seasonMon Mar 26 1990 09:422
    	I've got Norman in the Golf Digest sweeps, so I'll stick with
    him as my selection.
898.40Seve didn't make the cut.DUGGAN::DIAZTAVO, THE LATIN PUTTERMon Mar 26 1990 11:2112
    Re:          <<< Note 898.36 by MSEE::KELLEY "Golfaholic - Clubmaker" >>>

    Your're right  Gene,  he was 77 or 78 and did likewise the swcond day
    missing the cut.    Others  who missed it were Langer and Sandy Lyle.
    Let's hope they get  their  game  back  for April 5th, because if the
    Nestle  is a sample of  what  is  going  to  happen  then,  the  only
    non-Americans in the top 5 (10?)  were  Norman  and  Aim  from  South
    Africa.  I didn't see in The  Globe  today  a full listing so I don't
    know where Woosnam and Olazabal finished, but they  weren't listed in
    the top ten in the telecast.
    
    Tavo
898.41non-American finishers in the Nestle...MSEE::KELLEYGolfaholic - ClubmakerMon Mar 26 1990 11:5319
    
    RE: .40
    
    Tavo,
    
    Other non-American finishers were;
    
    Olazabal	7th
    Faldo	8th
    Aoki	9th
    Baker-Finch 10th
    Woosnam	11th
    Joe Azaki	13th
    Jumbo Azaki 14th
    
    There are probably some others in there, I just don't know who all the
    non_Americans are...
    
    Gene
898.42non-American predictionSQGUK::NOCKBold talk for a one-eyed fatmanMon Mar 26 1990 12:1711
    I'll go for Olazabal too. It's only a matter of time before he get's a
    major (famous last words), and he seems to have a pretty solid Nestle -
    so he might be running into form.
    
    A watchfull eye on Faldo and Woosnam, too.
    
    If it's going to be a non-European win, then I'd go for Payne Stewart.
    
    Paul
    (Not only do we pick the British Open as number 1, we also tip all our
    players for the majors...;-))
898.43Perennial, sentimental favorite: WatsonCURIE::TDAVISMon Mar 26 1990 15:0112
Watson's been playing well. He's been in contention in the last three 
tournaments--he hasn't been doing that well in a very long time. Like 
all the greats, he doesn't put it into high gear unless its a major.

Look out.

But you never know with the Masters. As far as spectatoring goes, it's 
the greatest of the majors, because the best players are always in 
contention and there are so many gambling holes on the back nine. 

TD

898.44Gotta add GomezTRACTR::OSBORNEMon Mar 26 1990 15:515
    I'd like to add a pssible change to my prediction in .11 (Kite),
    If Robert Gamez keeps shooting the way he did this weekend I'd have
    to give him a close second.  What a cool, calm, collected Kid.
    
    				Stuart,
898.45This time !!DNEAST::STEVENS_JIMTue Mar 27 1990 13:506
    My buddie Tom Kite wins on the thrid playoff hole over Curtis and
    Mark Calchaveckia (close enough)....
    
    
    Jim
    
898.46Picks so far...MSEE::KELLEYGolfaholic - ClubmakerTue Mar 27 1990 16:4623
    
    	Based on first pick only, here are the picks thus far...
    
    	Norman		9
    	Calcavecchia	4
    	Kite		3
    	Strange		3
    	Azinger		2
    	Watson		2
    	Woosnam		2
    	Faldo		2
    	Seve		2
    	Crenshaw	2
    	Olazabal	2
    	Stewart		1
    	Andrade		1
    	Trevino		1
    	Gamez		1
    	Stadler		1
    	Mudd		1
    
    
    	Do you think there are some Norman fans in this notes file...?!
898.47Merry Lee we go :-}ISLNDS::GARYAlan Gary - BXC1-2/B4 - DTN 229-7776Tue Mar 27 1990 17:425
    
    	I'll go with Trevino.  He's got a new game (right to left and
    long), and he's a gamer.
    
    Alan
898.48Mr. UnusualGRANPA::RFAGLEYWed Mar 28 1990 11:283
    Curtis will be there at the end... like always.
    
    Rick
898.49MSEE::KELLEYGolfaholic - ClubmakerWed Mar 28 1990 11:324
    
    RE: .48
    
    Rick, we heard you in .10.... ;-)
898.50CAM::ZIOMEKPump up the TESTWed Mar 28 1990 11:539
    
    
    re: .46
    
        Isn't it strange how Calc. even took second place in .46
    
    Must be a hex,
    
    John-
898.51..back in the pack..Fred C.USEM::VOUTSELASThu Mar 29 1990 11:5918
    My long shot,sitting back in the pack, all of a sudden
    starts to make 4 and 5 footers:
    
        Fred Couples
    
    Has the long game and casual air. Can "steer" a 2 iron and 
    3 wood almost as good as Norman. Everyone has a tough time
    on Augusta greens, so I think he may be there. I like the
    way he plays the game, but is still developing that killer
    instinct on the final 5 holes . The look of eagles and
    shark hunting and armies following and Craig's tantrums
    just don't apply to Freddy. In fact reminds me of Fred Lynn .
     ..go get 'em, lay back Freddy.
        Ang
    
    
                      
       
898.52FIRE !VICKI::PWILLIAMSThu Mar 29 1990 13:502
    Gene, isn't there a rule that if you try to vote more than once
    you get taken out back and shot ? (sorry Rick)
898.53PUTTER::WARFIELDGone GolfingThu Mar 29 1990 14:4210
Re: -.1

>    Gene, isn't there a rule that if you try to vote more than once
>    you get taken out back and shot ? (sorry Rick)

     No, in fact it is in the best democratic tradition of our country.
     They say the motto in Chicago is, "Vote early, vote often".  The only
     restriction is don't get caught!

	Larry
898.54NORMAN'S TURN (FINALLY)DPDMAI::VENEZIOFri Mar 30 1990 13:1615
    Here we go.
    
    My top 5 in order of finish:
    NORMAN
    CALC
    OLAZABEL
    BALLESTEROS
    ZINGER
    
    * NORMAN WINS IN A PLAYOFF
    
    Predictions:
    * WATSON MAKES AN EARLY RUN
    * GAMEZ MISSES THE CUT BY A MILE
    * TREVINO WILL LEAD AFTER ONE OF THE ROUNDS
898.55One of these will be on top come Sunday...MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsWed Apr 04 1990 13:1319
    
    	Since the Masters is apon us I am going to go out on the limb
    	even further a state that one of the following will be the
    	winner... (Azinger is still my number one pick - the rest are
    	not in any particular order...)
    
    	Azinger
    	Norman
    	Watson
    	Nicklaus
    	Faldo
    	Woosnam
    	Olazabal
    	O'Meara
    
    	And on top of that Seve and Calcavecchia will not even finish
    	in the top 5... :-|
    
    	Gene
898.56Warm up the VCRMAIL::TATERWed Apr 04 1990 13:237
    	If my memory serves me correctly, the USA network covers the
    	Masters on Thurs. and Friday during the day and ESPN? has a
    	special in the evenings.
    
    	Does anyone know this years TV schedule?  and could they post it
    	please.
    
898.57USA...4:00-6:00MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsWed Apr 04 1990 13:264
    
    
    	USA will have live coverage Thursday and Friday from 4:00 to 6:00.
    	I am not sure of the schedule for Saturday and Sunday...
898.58LYLE TO RETURNAYOV27::OPSWed Apr 04 1990 22:0226

MY MASTERS picks:

    	Greg Norman     -about time for him to win and win well
    	Nick Faldo      -Best in the world at the moment will do well
                         even though only Jack has repeated.And usually
                         previous years winners fail to make cut	
    	Payne Stewart	-Good solid player will be up there
    	Ben Cranshaw	-His time is not past yet 
    	Sandy Lyle	-Coming back to his best.If his first 2 rounds
                         aren't too far off pace he'll be a challenger
    	Paul Azinger	-Best american at present
    	Jack Nicklaus	-Best of all time ,can never discount him.i believe
                         he will be the first senior to win a major.
    	Scott Hoch	-Will be out for revenge,Doesnt have the ability to
                         fight off a challenge

        
    Sticking my neck out i reckon SANDY LYLE




ace:......

898.59It's clear? Now.WALTA::LENEHANRelax... think golfThu Apr 05 1990 08:2916
    
    Well I sent my crystal ball out for repairs, the ESP light went out.
    
    	Now I can see clearly... OOoeeeeeeoooooooo (creepy noise) 
    
    	there will be a playoff.
    
    	Faldo, Norman and..........Seve.  Darn! Where are the Americans!!!!
    
    	Seve wins it on the fourth hole.
    
    	Hmmm, maybe I better have the ball calibrated? I think the
    perception circuit is damaged also.
    
    	Walta
    
898.60HERE WE GO!!!!!!!CSCOAC::CONWAY_JHappiness = wanting what you haveThu Apr 05 1990 09:114
    Sarazan and Snead will be teeing it up at Augusta about 8:30 It's a
    beautiful morning in Georgia, 50 degrees, sunny and very little wind.
    Unfortunately, a front will move through tonight and it will rain
    friday and some on saturday.
898.61TV coverageUSEM::VOUTSELASThu Apr 05 1990 09:588
    Gene,
    the latest "morning line" has Couples 12-1.
    The odds are changing rapidly.
    
    I think you'll find 18 hole coverage on Sun and maybe
    even Sat. Cadillac does this one first class.
       Ang
    
898.62MASTERS GOES TO IRELAND !SIOG::CAHILLThu Apr 05 1990 10:5710
    
    	Don't forget our man Ronan Rafferty. Ronan finished top
    	of the European order of merit last season. He should be
    	accurate on the fairways and on the greens but his middle
    	irons might let him down.
    
    	Meanwhile, if Greg is ten shots off the lead coming into
    	the last 18 he should have a good chance also !!
    
    	Martin.
898.63Bernard LangherDELNI::M_BELFORTIThu Apr 05 1990 12:016
    I will pick somebody that nobody has picked so far. His name
    and the winner of this years Masters will be Bernard Langher.
    
    Mark
    
    
898.64what's the latestAYOV27::OPSA mans a man for aw that..Thu Apr 05 1990 13:048
    
    
       Can anyone up-date us with scores as they come in. Either that
    or we'll have to wait till tomorrow.
    
                  Ta in advance, 
                                 
                              Danny
898.65HARLEY::DAVEThu Apr 05 1990 13:256
    
    Jumbo catches fire on Saturday and Sunday...
    
    Wins a play-off, thus taking another win from Greg Norm...
    
    Dave
898.66I'm REALLY going!!!!FINALY::SCHNEIHCHal Schneider-Something&#039;s FishyThu Apr 05 1990 13:526
    
    I still don't believe it, but I actually got a last minute invitation
    to attend Friday's round.  I am SOOOOO excited.  I can't wait to see
    this course in person.  I will report on the day later in this note.
    
    Hal
898.67Weekend timesTRACTR::OSBORNEThu Apr 05 1990 14:455
    .57
       Saturday is at 3:30  Channel 7
       Sunday   is at 4:00
    
    Stuart
898.68Looks like Jack is back!18955::GOGUENThu Apr 05 1990 17:486
    I know the tourney has started already, but I haven't seen any scores
    as of yet, so I am going to go ahead and make another prediction. After
    seeing Jack play in his senior tour debut, I think he has a great shot
    at winning his sixth Masters. Go for it Jack!
    
    				-Paul
898.69Wake up, Greg!DICKNS::F_MCGOWANZoot who?Fri Apr 06 1990 07:3710
    Well, my boy Greg sure played an UGH-ly round yesterday (78, a mere
    14 shots away from the lead). Never mind not winning...at the rate
    he's going, he'll have to shoot something under par today or he could
    be taking the weekend off. I must say, Mike Donald was refreshingly
    low-key during his post-round interview (had Claude Harmon's son
    as his caddy, and credited him with saving 2 or 3 shots on the round,
    owing to course knowledge). Some interesting names still within
    striking distance, including Jack and Robert, Curtis, Seve...
    
    		Frank
898.70HARLEY::DAVEFri Apr 06 1990 08:488
    
    How about Jumbo's eagle on 15...
    
    Followed by a very round stopping boggey on 16...
    
    And Seve's put on 16 that rolled up and back down...
    
    Dave
898.71BTW, (a few back) this would be Jack's 7th...MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsFri Apr 06 1990 08:527
    
    	Ya, it was quite the first round for many....!!!!
    
    	The Zinger taking a 10 on a hole and finishing 8 over...!
    	Norman at 6 over, Calcavecchia at 2 over, Watson at 5 over, etc...
    
    	
898.72Even par or under for first round...MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsFri Apr 06 1990 09:2042
    
    	Here are the players that are even or under par after the first round
    
    
    	Mike Donald		64
    	
    	John HUston		66
    
    	Peter Jacobsen		67
    
    	Bill Bitton		68      (eagled a par four - I think)
    
    	George Archer		70	(a Senior)
    	Ray Floyd		70
    	Curtis Strange		70
    	Larry Mize		70
    	Bernard Langer		70
    	Bill Glasson		70
    	Jumbo Ozaki		70
    
    	Nick Faldo		71
    	Donnie Hammond		71
    	Mike Hulbert		71
    	Chris Patton		71	(amatuer)
    	Payne Stewart		71
    	Tom Purtzer		71
    	Andy North		71
    	Scott Hoch		71
    
    	Bob Tway		72
    	John Mahaffey		72
    	Ronan Rafferty		72
    	Fuzzy Zoeller		72
    	Lanny Wadkins		72 	(well, well)
    	Peter Senior		72
    	Chip Beck		72
    	Wayne GRady		72
    	Ian Woosnam		72
    	Craig Stadler		72
    	Ben Crenshaw		72
    	Olazabal		72
    	Jack Nicklaus		72
898.73A guy named ---- leads after 1st round-whats new?CSCOAC::CONWAY_JHappiness = wanting what you haveFri Apr 06 1990 09:2517
    I see Greg Norman has the Masters field exactly where he wants them -
    love this guy's early strategy. Stranger in Paradise - Greg Norman in a
    Major on thursday.:-)  Seriously though, I wish the talking heads
    covering the event wouldn't dwell on Greg's round like it was the
    biggest disaster story since the world-series earthquake. Its unfair to
    Greg and to the viewers. It was just a round of golf, not the end of
    civilization as we know it. Greg, I am sure would agree with me. Its a
    bad round on a thursday, no big thing, just part of what makes this guy
    so interesting and charismatic. 
    
    Did ya'all catch Jumbo's 2 iron on 15?  A thing of beauty.
    
    Aside from my beef about how they dealt with Norman's round, how did
    ya'all like the TV coverage? I caught the 9 pm to 11pm rerun on USA and
    I thought it was very slow. Too much time wasted on watching guys make
    club selections, clean balls, and walk, walk, walk. f
    
898.74USA BroadcastDNEAST::STEVENS_JIMFri Apr 06 1990 12:537
    Anyone know if USA will re-broadcast today's round other than the
    4-6 live and 8-10 broadcast ?? 
    
    I'm not going to get home until 11...
    
    Jim
    
898.75After Midnight?DUGGAN::DIAZTavo, The Latin PutterFri Apr 06 1990 13:597
    Re:                   <<< Note 898.74 by DNEAST::STEVENS_JIM >>>

    I remember  reading  in  yesterday's paper that USA was going to play
    the round after midnight last night also.  Most likely the will do so
    again tonight.
    
    Tavo
898.76HARLEY::DAVEFri Apr 06 1990 14:1812
    
    
    Some how, I noticed that my vcr was recording....
    
    Not that I would boot leg a television show...
    
    So if you want to see it...
    
    I live on the coast of NH and travel to Portland at least once a
    month...
    
    Dave
898.77Chris PattonSKETCH::PIELFri Apr 06 1990 14:2514
        I was very surprized to see how Chris Patton played. Not bad for
    his first Masters. I read in the Globe that he shot a 65 in a practice
    round. 
     
     It would be quite a story if he won. Now, if the announcers only
    stopped commenting on the guy's size. The viewers are not blind. He
    must have put up with enough of the "fat guy/big guy comments" over
    the years and I am sure he just thrilled to have it now on national
    television.
    
     
    
    
                              Ken
898.78this is fast!!!DECSVC::CARBONEFri Apr 06 1990 14:336
    
    
    	Did anyone notice Jumbo Ozaki's putt on number 16.  He was 6
    feet from the pin putting for birdie, down hill and FAST!!!  He
    just about tapped the ball and nextthing he knew he had a 45 footer
    for PAR!!!  Talk about your fast greens.
898.79Faldo makes history!41318::OGRADYMon Apr 09 1990 08:4917
    Well its over for another year...!
    
    Congrats to Walta and Phil on their forecasts. In Walta's case Norman
    was replaced by Floyd, but to predict another playoff with Faldo
    involved is excellent. What does the crystal ball say about the
    US Open, Walta ?
    
    It was another amazing Sunday. Who would have thought that Faldo
    would win after his bunker shot at 12 and Floyd putting for birdie
    on 11. He is truly World No 1 now.
    
    I was rooting for Floyd in the playoff but Faldo has nerves of steel
    and i was very impressed by his putts on 15,16,18 and 10.
    
    Martin.
    BTW: Congrats to Irishman Ronan Rafferty on finishing 11th equal
    at his first attempt. 
898.80A great Championship!CSCOAC::CONWAY_JHappiness = wanting what you haveMon Apr 09 1990 09:165
    All the British tabloids who refered to Nick as "Nick Foldo" ought to
    be made to eat their words. Any man who survives the crucible of two
    Masters Playoffs is the real thing. Hats off to Nick.  Hats off to Ray
    Floyd , Gary Player, Lanny Wadkins and Jack Nicklaus too. Guys their
    ages aren't supposed to perform at this level. 
898.81Great finish!!!SA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongMon Apr 09 1990 09:3414
    	A great finish.  Nick Faldo was great under pressure and showed
    a lot of guts in his defense of the Masters chanmpionship.  his
    par at the 12th yesterday was great.  And his par at 10 in sudden
    death, coming out of that bunker, was another great save.  I felt
    a little sorry for Floyd, but in a playoff, there can be only one
    winner.	
    	The age factor is definately made up for in the experience when
    playing at Augusta.  If you look at the top 15 finishers, you find
    a great deal of experience.  Faldo, Floyd, Nicklaus, Wadkins, Watson
    etc., all know the course and greens very well.  
    	Again, cnorats to Nick Faldo for winning this tournament, now
    2 years in a row, and who knows, maybe 3!!!
    
    Beak
898.82Hats off to them all...MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsMon Apr 09 1990 09:4420
    
    	Ya, a great big congrats to Faldo...! As he said after the tourney
    	he feels that he is now really part of the history books...
    
    	I also felt bad for Floyd who was so happy until the final few
    	holes, but he admitted that his game/swing did not feel that good
    	yesterday and it showed, he was struggling out there... Did you
    	see the dejection on Floyd's face (not when he hit the shot in
    	the water, but when he shook Faldo's hand)?
    
    	Great tourney for Nicklaus, Wadkins, Watson, and the others that
    	were able to finish under par...
    
    	Real tough tourney for some of your top picks here like Norman,
    	Calcavecchia and The Zinger...!
    
    	
    	Great tourney - great finish
    	
    	Gene
898.83Tip o' the cap to RaymondVICKI::PWILLIAMSMon Apr 09 1990 10:083
    re:82
    I wish I could "struggle" as well. How about that truly amazing putt
    on 16 and the PRESSURIZED up and down on 18 ?
898.84See...you gotta have faith!!CHEFS::NEWPORTPMon Apr 09 1990 11:2040
    Brilliant! Genius! God-like! THE MASTER!
    
    Words to describe that man ...Nick Faldo!!
    
    The man has such a game these days, not only does he strick the
    ball so beautifully with so little effort, but he really holds it
    all together when needed. He's not bad for someone who's been brought
    up on cow-pastures is he?? 8^)
    
    What a save on 12. 
    What a long iron second on 13.
    What an up and down on 15.
    What a tee-shot on 16. 
    What a bunker shot on 10 again.
    It goes on and on....
    
    I feel a little sorry for Floyd after the way he played. But it
    got away from him at 17 with a relatively poor approach shot. But
    he still had a really good chance to birdie 10 and I was surprised
    he missed seeing as everything else he did came off. Then to dunk
    his second in the water at 11 was a sad way for him to finish. Was
    he being too greedy??
 
    Great showing also from Nicklaus and Gary Player. 
       
    But.. Nick played brilliantly and Mondays aren't so bad after all!!!
    In fact this one is magic!!! Yabadabadoooo!!!
    
    
    Phil.
    
    
        
       
    
    
    
    
    
    
898.85Walt,what about the Derby?USEM::VOUTSELASMon Apr 09 1990 14:219
    Walt,
    nice call on Faldo, trouble is Fred Couples can't make 3 and
    4 footers like you do !!
    Just for that I promise to help this year!
    By the way Lanny Wadkins was coming like a freight train!
     Still think the 0ver 45 crowd has to get tired in the 4th round!
       ..Fred's in his living room ,practising his short ones..
                             Ang
    
898.86CLose but not exact...WALTA::LENEHANRelax... think golfMon Apr 09 1990 15:1523
    Thanks guys,
    
    You guys are too kind... I may have picked Faldo to be in a playoff
    round, but I ended up picking Seve to win it. It's funny though, I 
    "felt" strongly we'd see Nick. Seve was a last second guess while
    I was typing. I guess the little voice in my head doesn't mean I'm
    going crazy after all ;) !!
    
    	I think it may be time to make a track run??
    
    The Masters was really exciting! With the many players that all gave it
    such a good try... it truely was a Masterpiece of a Championship!
    
    Almost Ang...with Couples, the day he controls his emotions... watch
    out. What an awesome swing he has.
    
    Now there's only three majors left,  the US Open, The British Open and
    the Challenge Cup !
    
    	See you out there,
    
    	Walta
    
898.87Cool as a Cucumber, CouplesGOLFEN::BLAISDELLBart or Homer for presidentMon Apr 09 1990 16:5120
    
>    Almost Ang...with Couples, the day he controls his emotions... watch
>    out. What an awesome swing he has.
    
       Have to disagree with you here Walta.  Couples is perhaps one
     of the easiest going of the new breed of studs on the tour.  I
     have seen him sh__k, blow last holes of the Ryder Cup, get the
     y_ps at this years Masters, miss a two inch putt at the Heritage
     but I have never seen him lose his temper yet.  Are we talking
     about the same player?
    
>    Now there's only three majors left,  the US Open, The British Open and
>    the Challenge Cup !
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    
       That's more like it!  You folks are starting to catch on to my
      marketing hooks.  ;^)  Thanks Walta.
            
    
-rick
898.88No temper with FredWALTA::LENEHANRelax... think golfMon Apr 09 1990 17:2231
>    Almost Ang...with Couples, the day he controls his emotions... watch
>    out. What an awesome swing he has.
    
-       Have to disagree with you here Walta.  Couples is perhaps one
-     of the easiest going of the new breed of studs on the tour.  I
-     have seen him sh__k, blow last holes of the Ryder Cup, get the
-     y_ps at this years Masters, miss a two inch putt at the Heritage
-     but I have never seen him lose his temper yet.  Are we talking
-     about the same player?
    
	hi Rick,

	I can see how I wasn't clear... I didn't mean he looses his temper.
	He just appears to be overly syched one minute, then overly depressed
	the next. Like he gets real "down" on himself, expecting all his
	putts to drop... or too "up" when he does well. I can't remember
	where I read it, but it was said golfers should try to keep their 
	emotions on an even keel. Watching Fred after he misses a 4 footer,
	looks as if he just quits on himself...   After eagling the 15th
	yesterday he bogied the next two. Watching his elation after the 
	eagle I thought to myself "settle down Fred, keep it going". 
	Seems like he expects perfection from his game... his swing is
	nothing short of perfect!

	JMHO,

	Walta

	Ps. BB's hooking up again Rick? By the way are you running the
	Challenge Cup again? You really came through last year!	            
    
898.89What a sad day!GTIGUY::CLOSEMon Apr 09 1990 17:4127
    Ray Floyd has always been my favorite, so I feel lousy today. Not
    as lousy as Tempo Raymondo must feel, but lousy just the same. I
    think he was exemplary out there; gallant, classy, sportsmanlike.
    Unlike Stadler, who has a perpetual sneering, nasty look on his
    face, Floyd epitomizes the best in golf. He's just one notch under
    Nicklaus in my book of all-time greats.
    
    This was the most exciting Masters I've ever seen. I think Floyd
    had it all the way, against an incredibly good golfer in Faldo,
    except for two strategic errors.
    
    1. His decision to use a driver on the 18th. Nicklaus and many others
    used a 3-wood. He was so pumped up that he put the drive in the
    Lyle Bunker, and scrambled for a miracle par to tie. But with the
    way he'd been putting, lay up, mid-iron to the green, possible
    one-putt, he could have won it outright on 18.
    
    2. Obviously, the 7-iron on 11 in the playoff. In hindsight, he
    was right on the line for the pin, and a 6-iron would have made
    it. Easy to say, but with that pressure......
    
    My heart just bleeds for Floyd today. He lost to a brilliant player,
    a master technician, and clearly a man with heart -- just look at
    that Faldo sand save on the first playoff hole.  But I still feel
    somehow that a musician -- Floyd -- lost to a synthesizer -- Faldo.
    
    Great golf, but still the saddest thing I've ever seen in sport.
898.90Smooth OperatorCHEFS::NEWPORTPTue Apr 10 1990 05:0733
    Re -.1
    
    Found the comment strange about Floyd being a musician and Nick
    being a synthesiser. I'm SURE you don't.... but hope you don't mean
    that Nick's game isn't as natural as Ray Floyd's. To me there's
    only two other men who make it look as easy as Nick does... Fred
    Couples and Seve Ballesteros.
    
    You shouldn't forget that it took Nick two years to take his swing
    apart and rebuild it with David Leadbetter's help. It takes a brave
    man to do that when you've been playing on tour for a number of
    years already. It's only in the past few years that we can all see
    what a good decision that was!! Personally I never get tired of
    watching how smooth he swings... how can you get tired of near 
    perfection??
    
    What a day yesterday was!! I've never felt a buzz like we had in
    the office yesterday. Everyone was happy!! Now got the live action
    and the recorded highlights on tape. My vault is getting pretty
    full these days...8^)
    
    Sounds like I pipped Walta by a nose in the tipping. My place Greg
    Norman wasn't too hot though was it??
    
    Roll on the US Open.
    
    Phil. 
    
    
    Phil.  
    
    
    
898.91SQGUK::NOCKBold talk for a one-eyed fatmanTue Apr 10 1990 07:1516
    Yes, I didn't quite know what the musician/synthesiser stuff meant
    either. One thing Nick always had, even before the big changes was
    incredible rhythm and tempo. 
    
    Bad luck for Ray - I think, ironically, he suffered over the last 9 for
    being in front with a cushion. The smart thing (which he seemed to be
    doing) was to keep rattling in the pars and not do anything silly. I
    think when Nick started to catch him the pressure must have been
    enormous - and contributed to the 5 on 17 and the scramble up 18.
    
    I was impressed by Rafferty's first Masters, as with all the Europeans
    (apart form Sandy 'where's my crash helmet' Lyle). Interesting to see
    the main challenge to the Europeans ;-) was from the old-timers Floyd
    and Nicklaus ;-)
    
    Paul                                 
898.92Poor Looser?AYOV27::OPSA mans a man for aw that..Tue Apr 10 1990 07:5927
    
    
    
       I have just been glancing through the morning papers and noticed
    that your man Floyd is rather "unhappy" at loosing the Masters.
    Understandably so, but his comments about Faldo are in bad taste
    and don't say a lot for him.
    
    "I'm not in the mood to talk about him"
    
    "I suppose he's a fine player"
    
    "Slow players (Nicklaus and Faldo) are never easy to play behind"
      (they only lost half a hole on the group ahead of them!)
    
     Maybe he's finding it hard to accept that he blew it. He made the
    mistakes. He played safe thinking that no-one would catch him but
    once he was put under pressure he made the miss, no-one else. Faldo
    played some great golf to get back into it after double bogey on
    1. He attacked the course because he had to. He proved that he had
    the ability and confidence to win under severe pressure. I think
    Floyd and others should accept that and give credit where due.
    
     Well played Faldo, bad luck Floyd.
    
                  Danny
    
898.93PUTTER::WARFIELDGone GolfingTue Apr 10 1990 09:1327
	I think Floyd's comments are entirely fitting a man who lost something
	very precious that was within his grasp.  He realizes that it probably
	was his last opportunity.

	The funny thing about golfers is that they are expected to talk to
	the press even when they don't feel like it.  To bad this wasn't
	baseball, Floyd could hide out in the trainer's room, refusing to
	talk with reports.

	I don't believe that Floyd's comments on Faldo's pace of play were
	sour grapes or making an excuse.  It does have an effect to play behind
	slow players.  Faldo is not Mr. Speedy.  At The Country Club he & Mr.
	Strange took over 5 hours to play 18 holes, as a twosome, without
	anyone else on the course, with plenty of people to help find wayward
	shots!

	This was a sad Masters because Floyd lost it, Faldo gets much credit
	for persevering, shooting a great round, and not collapsing when
	he dumped his ball in the trap on 10.

	Regarding coverage bias; I belive that CBS followed Nicklaus too long
	hoping that the was going to generate another miracle.  Because of this
	and too many interviews with players live action (including much of
	Faldo's great round) was lost to the viewer.

	Larry
898.94SIOG::OGRADYTue Apr 10 1990 09:4015
    re: the last few

    I don't think its very appropriate to see the Faldo/Floyd shootout
    in the nationalistic way that some noters are putting it. I think
    of it like the great Nicklaus/Palmer and Nicklaus/Watson battles,
    of the past, that is, just great sport!
    Both are 100% committed professionals engaged in the most pressure
    packed situation imaginable. That they both played magnificantly
    is a great credit to them both ( this despite Floyds pulled iron
    shots ).
    Floyd's comments are not unusual for someone who has been through
    what he had been. He must have been emotionally drained.
    I agree that these after round interviews are a bit dodgy.
    
    martin ( a GOLF fan, not a European golf fan )
898.95Ya...MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsTue Apr 10 1990 10:092
    
    Well put Martin...!!!
898.96Hat's off to Mr. Faldo (ex Mr. Foldo)CHRLIE::HUSTONTue Apr 10 1990 12:0728
    
    Maybe it was just me, but I thought, for the most part that the 
    broadcast of the Masters (Sunday) was pretty boring. When I tuned
    in, Floyd had a 3-4 shot lead and nobody was really making a run 
    at him. It was not until the last few holes that it looked like
    there would be a playoff, then it got interesting.  The playoff
    was also very good, although a bit anti-climactic (sp?) when 
    Floyd "washed his ball off", up to that point it was all you
    could hope for.
    
    Aside from this, I feel Floyd was fairly lucky to maintain the lead.
    Even Tom Weiskopf mentioned that he was not playing all that good.
    He hit something like 6 out of the first 13 or so greens.  Not 
    exacltly up to "par".  To his credit though, he did scramble all
    day long and stayed right in there.  A tip of the hat also goes to
    Nick Faldo, he had the guts to hang tough and keep on charging.
    The par on 12 was definetly a confidence boost for him, that sand
    shot could have just as easily made it to the water, or at least
    off the green.
    
    I also feel bad for Jack, never could get moving, he'd birdie one, I 
    would start thinking he was about to charge, then he'd bogey one.
    
    All in all though, the first 1/2 - 3/4 of the broadcast were pretty
    boring.
    
    --Bob
    
898.97I heard it, tooSKETCH::PIELTue Apr 10 1990 13:3414
        Bob,
    
              you brought up a good point about Floyd's play. I, too, 
    remember Tom's comment and tend to agree. I will have review the tape
    to see how Ray did over the last nine holes. 
     I was disappointed that Chris Patton finished with a 78. Hope'd he
    would do better.
     One of the surprizes that I noticed this year was the view from either
    the 10th or the 11th tee looking down the fairway. It seemed narrow
    and helped give me a greater appreciation of Augusta. It gets more
    beautiful every year.
    
    
                           Ken