Conference 7.286::golf

        After one short afternoon we have 4 teams signed up already,
    with 2 more teams forming as I type.  I'll keep registration
    open until October 27th.  This tournament will be restricted to
    10 teams (20 players).

        Gene Kelley had an excellent suggestion. Instead of just one
    trophy, why not two trophies so each member of the team gets to 
    keep it and show it off for a year.  In that case, part of the
    entrance fee will cover the cost of the 2nd trophy.  Since the
    trophies have to be purchased ahead of time, this is a "rain or
    shine" event.  I'll provide details on cost and method of payment
    later, to all those that have signed up.

        This event is open nonDEC players. However, Teams with at least 
    one DEC player will take precedence over teams that have signed up
    that have no DECsters (is that a word?).

      Here are the teams so far...

          The BB's            -  Jeff Burke, Yours Truly
          The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik
          Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes
          Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor

      In my best _Lost In Space_ robot voice,  WARNING, DANGER, WARNING,
    This is a 18-hole scratch event and so far it looks like it will be 
    highly competitive. There are rumblings that there are teams forming
    with some great players!  The Ryder Cup was tame compared to what 
    this will be!  The BB's are unwavering in their confidence, though.

-rick


   ps.  node ESPN is down right now. You can also reach me at HBO::BLAISDELL
        or NESN::BLAISDELL
    

    THE TEAM OF COOPER AND BRUNELLE WOULD LOVE TO FLY IN FROM CALIFORNIA
    AND BRING YOUR TROPHY HOME WITH US BUT DUE TO LIMITED FUNDS ARE
    BEING FORCED TO COMPETE ON A LOCAL LEVEL ONLY !!!

    RE: NOTE 794.2
    
    The team of Cooper and Brunelle would be well advised not to enter
    tournaments in which competent golfers are playing.  How convenient
    the tourny is in the East and Cooper and Brunelle are in California.
    
    If Cooper and/or Brunelle read this note, they should screw up their
    courage and contact me about setting up a little California
    challenge....
    
    
    Joel
    

	Single 15 handicapper (18 holes) with good short game & putting,
	pretty consistent.  Looking for a partner who is long and accurate
	off the tee with space on their mantle they would like to fill with
	a trophy.  I am available to play on the weekend.

	Larry

Re: 794.2

Al Brunelle is a scratch player out of the Livermore office.  He is from
this area and I've heard a rumor that he moved out west to extend his
golfing season. 

Jeff

    
      re. .4 and .5   Why don't you two get together as a team?  From
         what I've read/heard of both of your games, you would make
         a pretty good team.  You'ld just be playing for second place
         anyway.  ;^)
    
        re. Mr. Wilson     Seems like there is a waiting list now to get
         Gary as a partner.  Hmmm. Wonder why?
    
    -rick

    Fran Merlone and I (Rich Oconnor) have chosen to step forward from the
    crowd, pick up the thrown gauntlet, and accept your challenge with
    gusto, Mr. blaisdell. We, the Chilliddipperrs, much prefer a weekend
    date if at all possible.
     

      Team update:  

 ->#1<-    The BB's            -  Jeff Burke, Rick Blaisdell    (weekday)
    2      The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik  (weekend)
    3      Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   (weekend)
    4      Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       (weekday)
    5      The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook       (weekday)
    6      The Slashers        -  Keith Niskala, Garry Wheeler  (weekday)
    7      The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene     (weekend)
    8      The Chilliddippers  -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone   (weekend)
    9      Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire    (weekday)
    10     Nonames II          -  Joe Corrigan, ringer          (weekday)
    11     Nonames III         -  Larry Warfield, Mr.Good Drive (weekend)

       Even though 11 teams(> preset limit) have already signed up, don't let 
     that stop you from forming a team and signing up yourselves. Something
     will have to give regarding the weekend(5)/weekday(6) selection, and
     some teams may not be able to compete.  Plus, the 20 player limit isn't
     a life or death thing.  I'd consider taking 24 players.  Thanks for
     the terrific response so far.  To quote Sally Field if she didn't win
     that Oscar,  "You hate me, you must really hate me!".  ;^)

       It looks like the BB's will definitely finish in the top 3!

-rick

    
    Didn't get much of a chance before the roster filled up !!
    
    add the team of "Stadler & Watson" to the list  !!!!
    
    Thats Randy Stuart and Tom Desrochers ..... prefer weekday 
    
    

    Rick, are you starting the psych job already? You forgot the second "r"
    in Chilliddipperrs!

    I really enjoy the festive spirit of the BB's ... Predicting the
    tournament outcome with little knowledge of the participants takes
    intenstinal fortitude. So in the spirit of things, I'll just mention
    that The Lemon-Stirs will allow the other tourny participants
    visitation rights should they want to "look" at (NO touching) the 
    trophies. 
    
    	  The Lemon-Stirs
    
    		:)  :)

    
     re.  Rich    Myy misstakke. Addd thhe exxtra r to Chilliddipperrs.
                Me attempt a psyche job?  You must be joking!
    
     re:  Walt    Little knowledge?  I'm just going by reports from
                famed Las Vegas oddsmaker  Timmy "the Geek".  He's
                got a line on all yuse guys.  Watch for his odds to
                be published next week.

    -rick_from_the_bb's_and_looking_for_a_top_5_finish
    
      ps.  Can we save some of this weather (it's beeaauuutiful in N.E)
           for early November?

    Hi,
    Wish I could play, but can't.
    You should do like we do and make sure that each player hits at
    least six(6) of the selected tee balls.
    Such a format takes the "big knockers" out of the game on a few
    of the holes.
    Try it. You'll like it!
    Tom

Re: .-1

>    I really enjoy the festive spirit of the BB's ... Predicting the
>    tournament outcome with little knowledge of the participants takes
>    intenstinal fortitude.

     I think the biggest act of intestinal fortitude is predicting a
     win in a scramble in one note & asking for a cure for the yips in
     another.  Unless of course his partner putts like the old Tom
     Watson. ;-)  (Now who is psyching who out.)

     Thank you for allowing the field to expand.  I was just about to
     put my.  "Please would you consider allowing more than 10 teams..."
     note in.  

     Larry

>     I think the biggest act of intestinal fortitude is predicting a
>     win in a scramble in one note & asking for a cure for the yips in
>     another.  Unless of course his partner putts like the old Tom
>     Watson. ;-)  (Now who is psyching who out.)

         Yips? What yips?  I've been cured thanks to all the splendid
       advice I got.  Just call me 1-putt Rick from now on.  And my
       partner *does* put like the old Tom Watson.
    
    -rick    

    How about Sky Meadow in Nashua? That is, ONLY after you can't get 
    The Country Club or Winchester C.C. or Salem C.C.
    Any more suggestions out there? Let's help the BBs select a NEUTRAL
    course.

     Geee ... Do I detect a little loss of confidence from the BB's ??
     Reading Note .0  placed the BB's in first.
     Reading Note .9  placed the BB's in top 3.
     Reading Note .13 placed the BB's in top 5.
    
     For the BB's sake Gene... write lock this topic !! Couple more reply's
     and they'll slip to last!  ;)
    
     The Lemon-Stirs
    
    		:)  :)

    
    Though I can't play in the tournament, I do have a suggestion for a 
    good course for a scramble. The Country Club of NH.
    
    Ranked as a top public course by GD, designed by Donald Ross and some
    hard tee shots from teh Gold tees.  It may be a little far for some of
    the MA people, its about 1hr from Nashua.
    
    Have a blast.  
    
    --Bob
    

        We now have 15 teams signed up!  I have to suspend registration
      so that I can get a grasp on exactly how many players will be able
      to make it.   Has to be  20,24, etc. (multiple of 4).

        Next week we will start looking for a top notch course and book
      a date for during the week (result of majority rule).  If playing
      during the week is impossible for your team, let me know and I'll
      take you off the list.

         Thanks to those that have made suggestions regarding courses.  
      Sky Meadow will go on the list of courses to contact.  The Country 
      Club of NH sounds like it may be too far away for the majority of 
      players, though.  If anyone else should have a good contact or ideas
      for great course, let me know, so we can add them to the list. 
      Marlboro CC is still 1st on the list as previously advertised. Jeff
      has played it a couple of times but I've never had the pleasure.  Is 
      that "neutral"  enough for you folks that are worried about the BB's ?

         And I'm absolutely certain that the BB's will finish in this
      tournament!

-rick

      Team update:  

 ->#1<-    The BB's            -  Jeff Burke, Rick Blaisdell    (weekday)
    2      The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik  (weekend)
    3      Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   (weekday)*
    4      Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       (weekday)
    5      The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook       (weekday)
    6      The Slashers        -  Keith Niskala, Garry Wheeler  (weekday)
    7      The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene     (weekend)
    8      The Chilliddipperrs -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone   (weekend)
    9      The Loopers         -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     (weekday)
    10     Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire    (weekday)
    11     Stadler & Watson    -  Randy Stuart, Tom Descrochers (weekday)
    12     Nonames III         -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione  (weekday)
    13     NFWays              -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher     (weekday)
    14     Nonames IV          -  Ray Wieczerzack, Dan Thrasher (weekday)
    15     Nonames II          -  Larry Warfield, Still looking (weekend)
                                                 for Mr.Good Drive

          Weekend   (4)    Weekday (11)

        * corrected from previous update
    

    
    The sooner you pick a day the sooner I'll know when to get "sick". And,
    please pick a course in this hemisphere, I want to play a round with my
    partner, not sleep with him...

    
     Look out !!
    
     He's Back !! Mr. closet to the pin himself. Eager to knock that ball
    in winning distance again!!
    
     Please sign up
    
     Dave "BASSMASTER" Sullivan &
     Wayne "Mr. Sandbagger" Gordon 
    
     I am cleaning the manlte. How tall is the trophy?
    
     -Dave
    

    Hi,
    
    	Being we are playing things straight up "no strokes" , How many
    	participants would like to go it from the blues? 
    
    	Or is that assumed??
    
    	If not , I'd prefer blue.
    
    	The Lemon-Stirs
    
    		:[  :[   Tournament faces On
    

    
       re. Dave "Bassmaster" Sullivan     Your team is alternate team
                                          #2
    
    
          1st Alternates     The Eagles          Steve Garrity
                                                 Brad Feltus
    
          2nd Alternates      ????               Dave Sullivan
                                                 Wayne Gordon

    
    -rick

    
       re.  Blue Tees?    Walt, I was going to wait to see the course
           that we would get.  Unless it is a real long course >7000
           yards from the back, I was planning on having it from the
           blues.  Might as well go all the way , eh?
    
    -rick

    
    
    Are there any other tees????? Push 'em back!!!!!!

    Play 'em from the back whatever the color! How about play 'em down? The
    chosen ball is not touched and the partner has to drop, as from
    shoulder hight? Strict USGA rules? Anyone for stymies???

	Don't forget the local rule for dropping those balls hit
	straight down the middle lost under the leaves. ;-)

    
       All communication regarding the tournament will now be carried
     off-line to all participants.  This is a world-wide conference,
     and some of our golf brethren may find this discussion a little
     tedious.  If I need an extra team, keep an eye to this topic,
     however.  And the final results will be posted here as well.
    
       Rules for the Challenge Cup will be drafted and sent out this
     week.  Again, thanks to all that signed up and to all the rest
     of you for your patience.  Hey, why not set up a Europe, DECwest,
     Australian, etc. Challenge Cups?
    
    -rick

    
        Marlboro CC. has been booked for Thursday, November 2nd.  We
        booked it for 16 teams (8 foursomes) starting at 9:00 am.
        If I need additional teams, I'll post the request in here.
    
    -rick

    
    Well, I didn't generate much interest in predicting the winning
    score for the last tourney, but let's see what we get here...
    Anybody care to go out on the limb and predict the winning score
    and/or winning team (now that the BB's are out of the running...;-))
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    	I predict a score of 8 under will win, at least that is what
    	it will take to beat the Salem Aces...!!!

                       Timmy the
                       Geek odds    Rick's pick       Comments

The BB's                   1:1          -4         Very strong,confident team
The Loopers                2:1          -3         A secret weapon?
Salt & Pepper             10:1          -2         They got a trophy already
The Eagles                50:1          -1         They need Randall!
The Boston Brooms        100:1           E         Sweep 'em under a rug
The Bombers              100:1           E         Will they bomb? It's likely
Nonames I                100:1          +1         Nonames? Nowin!
Batman & Robin           100:1           E         Holy, don't stand a chance!
Nonames IV               100:1           E         Original name there guys!
Stadler & Watson        1000:1          +2         Craig and Tom are not pleased
ACE                     1000:1          +3         They'll need ACE bandages!
The Slashers            1000:1          +3         I see internal bickering
The Lemon-stirs        10000:1          +4         This team will go sour
NFWays                 50000:1          +5         What does that NF stand for?
The Chilliddipperrs    50000:1          +6         Their name says it all
The Salem Aces        100000:1          +??        It won't be pretty

    

    Who's taking the bets? At 100:1 I'll put up a good sum on the Nonames I
    I'm not going to bragg in here. I'll let the golf do the talking on the
    course. So anyone taking bets at these odds (re. -1)?
    
    				-Paul

    
    Whoa!!!  Major psyche jobs already!!!  
    
    8 under to win??  You've obviously never played Marlboro CC...
    Even par will beat you guys!!
    
    Stadler / Watson at 1000:1??  Have you guys ever seen the Walrus
    hit his drives??  
    
    Watson
    

    
    Would somebody that has played Marlboro be willing to post a
    hole by hole description of the course, or at least the yardages?
    
    
    Thanks
    Gene

    Marlboro CC - Greens can be very tough, when they are cut you MUST
    		  be low of the hole. I've seen two foot downhillers
    		  turn into eight foot uphillers.
    
    		- The rough can really hurt you. Missing the fairway
    		  from the Blue tees and rolling into the rough can
    		  make for a long day. Best advice- stay in the fairway.
    		  	
    	
    Hole #1	Par 4		Water on right, but big tree on left
    				blocks approach shot. Need to be right
    				side of fairway. Uphill slight dog-leg
    				left to green. Downhill tee-shot.
    
    Hole #2	Par 4		Long par 4... need tee shot to stay in
    				fairway. Bunkers on right, fairway leans
    				left. Tough Green. Stay low of hole.
    
    Hole #3	Par 4		Easy hole. Straight-away , fairway leans
    				right. Start tee-shot out left side of 
    				fairway and let it roll back to
    				center/right.
    
    Hole #4	Par 4		Down Hill tee shot - Uphill approach. Hit
    				tee shot to flat spot of uphill.
    
    Hole #5	Par 3		Down Hill tee shot, 230 yards from Blues.
    				Tough hole.
    
    Hole #6	Par 4		Easy hole... Fairway leans left. Hit tee 
    				shot right side of fairway, let it roll 
    				back to center.
    
    Hole #7	Par 3		Maybe 190 ish from Blues. Semi hidden
    				green.
    
    Hole #8	Par 5		Reachable in two, Slight bend right. Aim
    				tee shot at Big tree in center of fairway.
    				If you go too much right you could forfiet
    				the chance of getting on in two, by putting
    				trees in play. Big fairway. Left side OB.
    
    Hole #9	Par 4		Downhill blind tee shot. Water on right...
    				Uphill approach. Tee shot is tough, must 
    				be left enough to avoid water, but not so
    				left that you enter woods. It's a slow
    				bending dog-leg right, so being too left
    				enters the woods or makes the approach
    				shot too far.
    
    Hole #10	Par 4		DownHill tee shot , fairway leans left.
    				Wide open tee shot. Being left side of
    				fairway helps avoid bunkers when hitting
    				approach shot. PW/SW to green.
    
    Hole #11	Par 5		Bang away. Creek in center of fairway is
    				300+ yards from Blue tees.
    
    Hole #12	Par 3		Island Green 180 ish from Blues. Nice hole.
    
    Hole #13	Par 5		Short Par 5 bends left. . Hit tee shot to 
    				left/fairway. Don't go too left, trees will 
    				block 2nd shot . Blind uphill 2nd shot, but
    				reachable. Run up and see where hole is.
    
    Hole #14	Par 4		Woods on right slowly bend into fairway,
    				as fairway becomes downhill. Key here is to
    				start a little left and then use the
    				downhill to roll to level lie. Creek 40 ish
    				yards in front of green, crosses fairway.
    				
    Hole #15	Par 4		Easy hole. Dog leg left. Hit to fairway.
    
    Hole #16	Par 4		Bang away, stay in fairway. Creek crosses
    				fairway but carryable with tee shot. Approach 
    				shot is usually short, due to deceptive bunker
    				that is 30 ish yards short of green.
    				Believe yardage marker and factor in uphill
    				for approach shot. Swing away.
    
    Hole #17	Par 4		OB to left. Creek is drivable, with a BIG
    				bang. Recommend 3w tee shot. Uphill
    				approach. Tough green. Stay low of hole.
    
    Hole #18	Par 3		190 ish. All uphill. Green is well
    				bunkered. Get it there.
    				
    

     Front nine is garbage, except for the 3's. back nine (especially
    #12) is GREAT! Lots of placement needed on the tee ball for a good
    option to the pin. You can knock it on #10, but it's not worth it,
    and #17 may require a 2 iron tee shot to make sure you stay short
    of the brook. Bring your "DQ" (flop shot) for the back 9...
    
    --the skoal Bandit

.37 has a good description of each hole but I disagree with #13.

13 is a par 5, slight dogleg left and is uphill on the second shot.  Reachable
with a driver and a 4 iron.  I would suggest keeping your tee shot right even
though that semi-flirts with the woods.  If you hit it left near the bunker,
then you have an awkward, very uphill stance.  The right side of the fairway
is flatter.

It's a very hilly course and holes 1,4,5,9,10,13,14,15 and 17 are holes where
you are trying to place your drives.  Especially 4.  There is a flat section
in the fairway about 130-150 yards from the green and you want to hit it.
Anywhere else will pretty much give you one heck of an uphill stance.

5 is 250 yard par 3 from the way backs but it is all downhill.  Only place
I have ever seen a 1 iron check up.

I like Marlboro.  The greens are nice.  But again, as .37 says, they can be
real tough if you don't use a little smarts (tough to do from 150 yards away
when you can't see the hole).

Good luck to each team.  Don't let Rick psyche you guys out.  Although I have
played with him before and he rival Hack Nicklaus :-).

Mike

PS - Since this year was slightly disappointing for me, the clubs have gone
away for the winter and I am now waxing my skis.  But there is always the
Myrtle Beach trip in the spring to get me psyched again...

Some corrections/differences-of-opinion with 37,38...


 >  Hole #6	Par 4		Easy hole... Fairway leans left. Hit tee 
 >   				shot right side of fairway, let it roll 
 >   				back to center.

It's not rated the third toughest on this side for no reason. IF you 
hit your drive as he suggests, yes it's easy. But the fairway slopes 
pretty severely left and if you draw the ball to the left side it will 
likely keep rolling left into the woods and, perhaps out of bounds. 
    
>   Hole #7	Par 3		Maybe 190 ish from Blues. Semi hidden
>    				green.

Actually, its about 165 from the tips.
    
>   Hole #8	Par 5		Reachable in two, Slight bend right. Aim

This guy IS a big hitter. Don't know more than 2 or 3 three guys at 
the club that can get there regularly in two from the back tees--and
that is when the wind isn't against. Don't know why it plays that
long--it's only 535--but it does. 

    Hole #9	Par 4		Downhill blind tee shot. Water on right...
    				Uphill approach. Tee shot is tough, must 
    				be left enough to avoid water, but not so
    				left that you enter woods. It's a slow
    				bending dog-leg right, so being too left
    				enters the woods or makes the approach
    				shot too far.

If you're playing the front tees--which is probably where you'll be 
hitting from during the week--and you can rely on hitting your drive 
240+ yards, you can blow it over the water. Back tees? Lay up with an 
iron or 5-wood. Beware, the green looks fairly flat, but it slopes 
sneakily to the front left. It's the toughest green on the course, in 
my opinion. And one of the toughest hole. I beg to differ with Mr 
Varley, despite his vast experience in playing the worlds top tracks. 
This is the toughest hole on the front--and I'd never call it 
"garbage."

    
>   Hole #11	Par 5		Bang away. Creek in center of fairway is
>    				300+ yards from Blue tees.

God! He's not only long, he's accurate! Don't "bang" it to the right 
side, the creek is only about 260 from there--and gets closer the 
further right you miss it. Is this the same guy who reaches 8 in two? 
I use a 3-wood or 1-ron; you're not going to get home in two, so why 
press?

    Hole #12	Par 3		Island Green 180 ish from Blues. Nice hole.

Bob Goalby named it his favorite hole in golf. Even though he'd have 
to be hitting his tee shot from Rt20 to make it 180 yards. 160 from 
the tips is hard enough--and down-hill at that. Further proof that the
greatest holes aren't necessarily the longest 
    
The remaining holes are as good as any five finishing holes you'll 
play--at least among the no-name clubs that don't make it to the 
100-greatest list.
    
    Hole #14	Par 4		Woods on right slowly bend into fairway,
    				as fairway becomes downhill. Key here is to
    				start a little left and then use the
    				downhill to roll to level lie. Creek 40 ish
    				yards in front of green, crosses fairway.

Wind is ALWAYS in your teeth. So it usually plays a lot longer than
400 yards down hill.
    				
    Hole #15	Par 4		Easy hole. Dog leg left. Hit to fairway.

Might be easy for him, but it plays tough for me. That's because I 
don't drive the ball as well, I suppose. Push it right and you're OB. 
The fairway is WIDE, but for some reason this dogleg left drives me 
bonkers. By the way, if you're not a head case, and you find your 
drive nicely down the middle with less than 150 to the green, don't 
get cocky. With the exception on a little plateau in the middle, the 
green slopes severely back to front, and on the right hand side, to 
the right as well. A TOUGH green to put if you're above or to the side 
of the hole.

>   Hole #16	Par 4		Bang away, stay in fairway. Creek crosses
>    				fairway but carryable with tee shot. Approach 
>    				shot is usually short, due to deceptive bunker
>    				that is 30 ish yards short of green.
>    				Believe yardage marker and factor in uphill
>    				for approach shot. Swing away.

Jeezum, he IS long! "Usually"  short approach? Don't be surprised if 
you have a long iron or wood into the green. It's a 410 yard hole, 
uphill part of the way. A good, long drive down the right side of the 
fairway, near the perilous mound, will indeed leave you with 
a 7 or 8 iron into the green. Good luck. Yes, there are deceptive
Ross-like bunkers well short of the green, but there's also a
catcher's-mitt, pot-bunker-deep bunker immediately in front.
Make sure you carry the green. This hole was rated one of the 18
toughest in New England at one time. Don't know if that's true
anymore. 

No problem with the rest of his description.

Have fun. I hope the green are cut down, it makes for a better test. 
But knowing our greenskeeper, chances are they'll be a might shaggy 
midweek.

Tom

Ps: Sorry I didn't sign up in time, sounds like a good time. Any 
reason why participation was so limited?    

    
    Can somebody post the yardages from the card?
    
    Thanks
    Gene

The greens at MCC are very difficult - it is hard to visualize a straight
putt on any of the greens. And it is very difficult to get up and down.

The yardages are fairly short, but the hills and wind makes the course
play longer. I hope the tees are all the way back for you as that makes a
big difference. You do have to move the ball to reach the landing areas -
you may have shots that seem "unfair" if you do not put your tee ball in
right spot. The reward for a good drive is usually a short iron or wedge.

Overall, a previous reply was right on - stay in the fairway and stay
low of the hole! I've been a member there for 5 years so maybe this will
help. Have fun!

Eric


Front 9
-------

Definitely the weaker of the two sides, though 5, 6, 7, and 8 is a nice
stretch.    		  	
    	
#1 If the tee is on top (by the putting green), then a 3 wood to the
   right side is just right. Missing the fairway on either side may
   leave you blocked out by trees. This green does not hold well so
   don't charge any pin in back. Pretty good starting hole.
    
#2 This hole used to be a par 5. It has the most severe green on the course
   with incredible breaks back to front and left to right. It is not uncommon
   for down hill putts greater than 10 feet to roll to the fringe!

#3 Can't improve on previous description. What you see is what you get. But
   be on the left side if you can.
    
#4 One of the holes where you must reach the landing area. If you must
   miss the fairway miss left as trees block approaches from the right
   (you'll see my divots behind the oak ;-). Warning - the green slopes
   much more severely back to front than it looks. This green is quick!

#5 Yup. Trap on right is in a nice spot. Bail out right (like the rest of
   us do) and you have to flip a wedge up and over.
    
#6 This is my favorite on the front with trees down left side of dogleg. Drive
   up to plateau and have a nice view of the green. Drive to right side of
   fairway, do not fly ball to the back of the green.
    
#7 More like 165-170. Tougher to get it to the hole as you must not go over
   the green.
    
#8 Reachable in two with the tees up; not from way in back. This green
   does not reliably hold an approach (so play for some roll). Usually
   not worth cutting the corner, unless you really hit it big.

#9 Tough tee shot. If the tees are up a long iron makes sense (leaves you
   short of the water). I use a fairway wood from the very back. Use the
   crown of the white house as a target (and don't snap it ;-). Like #4
   this is a deceptive green - everything breaks to the road.


Back 9
------

Nice layout here! Most holes have a bunker to help aim from the tee.
Positioning is a bit more subtle. Back tee placement makes a big difference
on 10, 13, 15, and 18.

#10 Neat little psychology hole (must birdie or par, but surprising easy
    to bogey). Missing fairway right leaves a frightening downhill wedge
    out of rough to a small target. Best to be left.

#11 The creek *is* reachable on the right for bigger hitters. Still must
    hit drive well to reach flat spot for second shot. Best approach to
    the green is from the right side. Avoid the mound, or risk structural
    damage!

#12 Great hole at only 160 yards! Downhill to a well protected (almost island)
    green.
    
#13 Fairway trap is reachable with from lower tee (hole plays *much* better
    from upper tee). The green has a valley in it. Go for it in two if you
    can handle a trouble shot (sand, rough) if you miss. Or hit a long iron
    short of the green with a reasonable chance for up and down.
    
#14 Decision time from the tee! The flat at the base of the hill is reachable
    with a big drive - if you avoid the narrowing woods you have a short iron
    to the pin. Playing for the top of the hill is safer off the tee, but
    leaves a tough mid-iron to the green.

#15 I always thought this was a tough hole. Aim to cut the dogleg as the hole
    lengthens out if you go too wide. Tee shot all carry. Toughest green this
    side - *must* stay below the hole (big time slope)!
    
#16 Plays longer than 410 due to hill and prevailing winds. Pound away!
    
#17 My favorite on the back. Slight dogleg right with OB on left. Fairway
    slopes right into trees so best play is a fairway wood down left side
    (the senior pros used 1 and 2 irons if that helps). Left side also gives
    best angle to green.
    
#18 Long iron to a difficult green. Good test of short game nerves if match
    is on the line here!

      Thanks to Skoal, Tom and Eric for their hole by hole description.
    We will all probably have different opinions of the course after
    playing it.

>Tom

>Ps: Sorry I didn't sign up in time, sounds like a good time. Any 
>reason why participation was so limited?    

     Tom , you can sign a team up now and you would be first alternates
    in case another team can't make it.  Participation was originally
    limited to ten teams but due to the active interest in the event,
    I expanded the number of teams to 16, and everyone who replied in
    here or notified me by mail is now in the tournament.  To book a 
    course, you have to let them know how many groups there will be.  
    It also keeps the tournament more manageable.  Good or bad, those 
    were my reasons.  You can sign up a team or have yourself as an
    alternate in case a team loses one player. Let me know, although
    you may have to give the rest of us strokes, since you are a member
    at Marlboro!!  ;^)

re: Raspuzzi
    
       "Hack Nicklaus" huh!  I'm deeply hurt.  8^(    

    -rick

    ps: to all participants.  I will be trying to secure a rain date
        for the Challenge Cup.  This weather we've been having in NE
        is making me a little jittery.
    

    Reply .40
    
    	Hi Tom,
    
    	   Thanks for the additional information, I knew my descriptions
    	would go through some ECO's. I wasn't sure of some of the 
        distances... But I really do play MCC the way I described and
    	didn't mean to misguide anyone. I do hit the ball long and
        near where I'm aiming. It wasn't a good idea to explain my
    	hole by hole strategy without previously explaining what my
    	distances are... my goof ! So if you hit it long off the tee
    	.37 will be helpfull, otherwise the descriptions make the
    	holes easier than they should.
    
    	OOooops,
    
    	Walt
    	

Walt,

Who's team are you on??? Do you need a partner?? Sound like, with all 
the flip wedges you have to the greens, you shoot scratch golf. If I 
can't play in this thing, I want to start placing my bets. You'll 
be UNBEATABLE. (Sorry, Rick.)

Tom    	

    
    
     Don't count the team of ACE out so quick gentlemen. Walt has seen 
    some of my unconsious shot making capibilty. Presision drives, 
    exellent approches and a putting style second to only the great ones.
    
     It's ashame I can't do them all on the same hole though,
    
     However, even though I have a USGA 14 handicap index this year, my
    partner is also a member at Marlboro C.C. and this should fill the
    gap in my game.
    
     And the winner is---
    
     BTW is the @%$king rain ever going to stop!!!
    
     " BASSMASTER "
    

    Hi Tom,
    
      I am playing on the Lemon-Stir team, there maybe a problem with
    my partner playing during the week. If so I'll let you know and
    we can team up our strategies?? I play in the Stow DEC league
    and carry a 2 handicap, I hope to carry a 0 cap next year...
    
    With people like "Bassmaster" Sullivan around nobody is unbeatable!
    
    Except the BB's of course...  ;)
    
    Hey Rick, I know your previous list of team finishes is a good guess,
    but how about posting the team handicaps?? 
    
    1/2 Lemon,
    
    	Walt

    
>    Hey Rick, I know your previous list of team finishes is a good guess,
>    but how about posting the team handicaps?? 
    
        Team handicaps?  What are those?   Everyone carries a 0 handicap
      in this tournament, so you and Tom  may be out of your league here.    
      Wanna back out?   ;^)
    
    -rick

    and then there is Gene (.41) still waiting for the yardages.....!!

> From:	ACESMK::RESIDE       "Bob Reside, SwSE Database Advisory Unit, 264-6257" 23-OCT-1989 10:36:01.16
> To:	DINSCO::BURKE
> Subj:	scramble


>	Is it too late to get into the scramble?  Steve Tasho and I
>	were thinking about entering.  Is it on a weekend or a
>	weekday?


For those of you who do not read the Sunday Globe "golf" column in the
Sports section, Steve Tasho is the two-time Mass Amateur Champion.  Are we 
getting a few ringers here, or what??  

BTW -- Bob, I couldn't resist posting this.  I'll talk to Rick and see what 
       the waiting list looks like.  Getting this kind of response at this 
       time of year is really terrific!!

Jeff

    
       Gulp.....  I'll put them on the alternate list.  There currently
     is one team ahead of them.  If anyone says they are good friends
     of Jim Hallet and you both wish to play in the Challenge Cup, forget it!!
    
    -rick

    
    From that last reply I have been given reason to stop and reflect on
    the rule of: scratch - no handicapping for the teams.  Any
    consideration to something like, half or a third of the "captains"
    handicap??

	re .-1
    
>    From that last reply I have been given reason to stop and reflect on
>    the rule of: scratch - no handicapping for the teams.  Any
>    consideration to something like, half or a third of the "captains"
>    handicap??

	Yeah, me too. That's where the NFWays got their name - as in
		No ______ Way ! are we going to be able to win. You're
	talking two guys with a 20+ hdcp each... :-)

	I'd love to be able to use some part of our hdcp's but we decided
	to play just to play. So, anything else would be a bonus...

	Peter.

    
        I think Jeff just posted the message to show how popular this
      thing has become and who might be interested in playing.  As of
      now the 16 teams are already set and rarin' to go.  
    
    -rick

                      <<< Note 794.49 by WOODRO::GORDON >>>

>    and then there is Gene (.41) still waiting for the yardages.....!!

Sorry, don't have a card with me, but I can give you an estimate, 
based on 8 years of Saturdays missclubbing myself.

I'll give the yardages from the tees from which you'll be most likely 
playing. Sorry to say, but the blues won't be all the way back--at 
least if our greenskeeper, Glen Ackly, doesn't change his routine.
It's been a continuing battle between the membership and Glen: We want 
to be able to play the whole course every time we play it; he wants to 
"save" the back tees for weekend play. Since most transients choose to play 
the whites anyway, I don't know why he bothers...The holes where it 
really matters are: 1,4,8,9,13. The 5th, the long par three, the 
members play from the middle tees (220), so he leaves them all the way 
back for the midweek crowd. 

In case you're curious, I've included, in parentheses, my estimated
yardage from the weekend tee position. 

Hole		Par		Yardage

1		4		315   (355)
2		4		400   (445)
3		4		350   (370)
4		4		315   (335)
5		3		240   (220)
6		4		355   (375)
7		3		145   (165)
8		5		475   (525)
9		4		340   (385)
		---		-----------
		35	       2935  (3175)

10		4		300   (320)
11		5		510   (520)
12		3		150   (160)
13		5		465   (485) 
14		4		395   (410)
15		4		370   (380)
16		4		405   (415)
17		4		355   (370)
18		3		170   (185)
18		3		175   (185)
		--		-----------
		36	       3145  (3245)

Remember, this is an estimate. It should be fairly close though.

    
      Could any kind soul, provide me with directions to Marlboro CC?
    Send me mail or feel free to post the directions in this conference.
    Thanks in advance!
    
  -rick

    
    
     How about a breakfast meeting, There's a little breakfast nook right
    around the corner from the C.C. I don't about you ,but, if I don't
    play well breakfast would be 1 less excuse. Anyone interested send
    me mail SOFBAS::SULLIVAN and I'll reserve a time and place.
    
    Sounds like everyone should go, it would be your last chance for
    the phsyc (sp?) jobs and plus Rick could take care of all or most of
    the business before we TEE UM UP.
    
    - "BASSMASTER"

    
      Ok,  I'm getting down on my hands and knees, begging and pleading
     for directions to Marlboro CC.  The sight of a grown man groveling
     at the keyboard is not pretty.
    
    -rick

    
    Rt 495 to exit 24A (route 20 EAST)
    Stay on Rt 20 
    	it now goes around downtown Marlboro, so bear RIGHT just before
    	the 2nd light.
    	go straight thru 3 more lights
    	go RIGHT at the next light (you are still on rt 20)
    	go thru the next light (you'll pass Papa Ginos and Dunkin Donuts)
        go about a 4 iron and when the road bears right, take a LEFT
    
    You will see the infamous 17th hole on your right
    Entrance will be on your left
    
    Watson
    

    Rick,
    
    	I'll post directions tomorrow, I need to get the street names
    first.
    
    					-Paul
    

    I see you've got your directions. Great!
    

    Clarification on directions to Marlboro CC
    
    I was rereading the note, a few back, that gave directions, I believe the
    directions given are not quite accurate. I will post a new set of 
    directions here. I was over at Marlboro CC yesterday (more on that later).
    
    Off of Mass Pike (rte 90):
    
    		Take 495 North
    
    Off of rte 290 or rte 2:
    
    		Take 495 South
    
    
    -take exit(off of 495) for rte 20 East towards Marlboro Center
    -basically stay on rte 20 all the way
    	some landmarks
       *rte 20 bears right at a set of lights just before entering downtown
    	Marlboro
    (the previous directions said go thru 3 sets of lights and then take a
    right at your next set of lights. That is not correct. You go straight
    thru 4 or maybe 5 lights before rte 20 takes a right at a set of
    lights(after the downtown area). Rte 20 is clearly marked just stay on 20,
    follow the signs.)
       *after going around downtown you will see Dairy Queen on your right
       *you will come to a set of lights at which rte 20 takes a right turn
    	(this is clearly marked)
       *you will then pass a shopping plaza on your left and will come to a 
    	set of lights at the bottom of the hill (go straight thru, stay on
    	20)
       *just up the road rte 20 will bend to the right and there will be
    	alot of concrete median strips around. You want to take a left onto
    	Concord St (I believe). Easier than looking for the street sign,
    	which is hard to see here, take the left between the Royal Mandarin
    	restaurant and the Texaco Gas station.
    -Just up the road you will see the club house on your left.
    
    Note: This is about a 10 minute ride off of 495.  
              

    Steve and I went over to Marlboro CC yesterday to play a practice
    round. Well we almost did not get on the course. Here is what happened.
    
    As we walked in the pro shop a gentleman asked us if we were playing
    golf? Which we answered yes. The next question was are you members. The
    answer was no. (at which point I'm thinking *oh-no*). He then preceded
    to walk out the door to ask the pro if he is letting non-members on the
    course today. The pro's answer was no. The pro walked into the pro shop
    and told us that maybe next week they were going to start letting
    non-members on during the week. I then told him we were really wanting
    to play the course because we were in a tournament next week at the
    course and wanted to get a feel for the layout. He asked what
    tournament? I replied digital scramble. He then said "Just the 2 of
    you." (at which point I'm thinking *oh-yes*) We replied yes, just the 2
    of us. He then said that will be $11.00 each.
    
    If anyone else is interested in playing the course, call first and tell 
    them "that you are playing in a tournament there and were wanting to play a
    practice round. Is there a good time for us to play?" If you just show up,
    as we did, you may not get on. They had their tournament schedule posted
    outside the pro shop and it looked quite busy.
    
    Also, the condition of the course was excellent, in my opion. I just
    hope this weather holds thru next week. 
    
    					-Paul
    

    Marlboro CC Yardages (directly off of score card)
    
    	Hole	Par	Blues	Whites	Handicap
    
     	 1	4	354	330	13
    	 2	4	441	410	 1
    	 3	4	377	358	11
    	 4	4	331	316	 9
    	 5	3	238	208	15
    	 6	4	373	357	 5
    	 7	3	165	155	17
    	 8	5	527	485	 7
    	 9	3	398	366	 3
    	Out    35      3204    2985
    
    	10	4	326	312	18
    	11	5	544	539	 4
    	12	3	161	156	16
    	13	5	467	435	12
    	14	4	405	398	 6
    	15	4	373	365	10
    	16	4	415	405	 2
    	17	4	376	368	 8
    	18	3	181	176	14
    	In     36      3248    3154
    
      Total    71      6452    6139
    
    From the Blues	rating 70.8	slope 123
    From the Whites	rating 69.4	slope 120
    
    Out of bounds: White stakes and off club property, on or over Concord
    Rd on 10th hole
    
    Free Drop: Cart and dirt paths, 150yd markers, open culvert on 1 and 9.
    Staked trees and shrubs. Patio on 18th hole.
    
    The card also has a nice top view layout of each hole on it. This was
    helpful for me to look at. I could see hazards on the card that were
    not always visible from the tee.
    
                                             

    
    re:-.63  not a big deal but I did write "bear right just before
    the 2nd light".  You don't actually go up to the light.  Yours,
    with landmarks, are right.
    
    re: non members playing.  Mondays are out.  I'm pretty sure the rest
    of the week is open BEFORE 11:00.  After 11:00, they will pretty
    much tell you to leave even if the tee's open and you're in the
    shop ready to pay.  
    
    Tom

re: -1

According to the pro shop, Mondays and Tuesdays are out for non-members. 
They are open to the public on Wednesday through Friday before 11:00, but
call first. 

Jeff

    
    re;  .65     HOLY SH*T
    
    hole	par	blues	whites	handicap
    
     9		*3	 398	 366	   3
    
    what a poke !!  I might reach it with alittle roll ;^)
    
    what about the rest of you  ??
    
    walrus
    

    
    .65  obvious typo...only adds up to par 34, so 9 must be par 4.

    re. -1, -2
    That's right should be a par 4.
    
    			-Paul
    

    and anything over 250 to 470 is a par 4 for men per USGA yardages
    for guidance...!!!
    

    Hi ,
    
    	Tom Davis, 73 year old Fred and I made up a threesome and played
    	18 at MCC yesterday. Unbelievable conditions/weather! We all 
    	had fun, everyone took a turn with some great shotmaking. The 
    	greens were excellent and required positional approach shots
    	to avoid three putt leaves. After playing yesterday I was left
    	with the feeling, the team that best avoids three putting will
    	win. If the first puttee can die it close enough to guarantee
    	the par, that would be a big advantage. It's so easy to lose
    	strokes on the greens. 
    	Tom knows the course extremely well from tee to green, his tips
    	saved me alot of strokes... maybe for a beer ??? I might mention
    	some of them??? ;)
    
    	Walt

Re: -.1

And I can now confirm that Walt does indeed hit the ball loooong and 
accurately. If he could only putt...But he says his partner is an ace 
around the greens. So, if I don't get into this tournament, my money's 
on the Lemon Stirs. 

	In order to make a run at the odds, why doesn't each group send me
(DINSCO::BURKE) their combined handicap and I'll post all the groups. For
example, the BB's (Rick Blaisdell and Jeff Burke) have a deceptive combined
handicap of 27. 

Jeff

    
    Jeff,  don't expect answers real soon.  They are all out practicing
    and worrying about their games.  ;^)
    
    -rick

    
    	These questions may have allready been answered, but I couldn't
    	find them...
    
    	Is there a range at Marlboro?
    
    	Are there yardage markers on the course? If so, are they just
    	150s and are they accurate?
    
    	Who has the duties of packaging some of this weather and saving
    	it for next Thursday...? :-)
    
    	Thanks
    	Gene

      Gene,
    
       No range. 
    
       Lone small pine or shrub at 150 yds. Yardages can be deceptive, good
    luck to those playing MCC for the first time.
    
      -Steve.
    
      

    
>       Lone small pine or shrub at 150 yds. Yardages can be deceptive, good
>    luck to those playing MCC for the first time.
    
     Steve, does this mean the 150s are accurate but look different than 150
     or that they are not accurate at all...?
    
    Thanks again
    	Gene
      

    Gene,
    
       Yes, I guess I should have said *apparent* distances can be deceptive.
    Yardage markers are accurate and sometimes difficult to pick out.
    
    -S.

    Boy, 
     
    You guy's are taking out the serious plan of attack. 

    repl .77 "Gee, I think it's 155.6 yards to the front of the green
    Albie... can you run up and pace off the steps to the flag for me"

    repl Walt "Walt said you had to hit 280+ on the par 5 and keep right,
    gee Albie... I belive I hit 266.85 I think I'm 55.3 to the 150 marker
    Oh! Gosh ! better pace it off. Oh, do you think the flag is 62 or 67
    steps from the front?"

    Enjoy!

    "Bassmaster/Golf announcer"

    Actually, MCC does have a driving range.  However, I can only hit 3
    clubs (8, 9 and PW).  Their "driving range" is only about 150 yards
    long.
    
    The range is up on top of the hill behind the clubhouse.  It might be
    closed this time of year though.
    
    The 150 yard markers might be "deceptive" because there are many
    elevated greens.  Don't forget to take the lay of the land into
    account.
    
    Mike

    gene,
     don't worry, MCC has 150 bushes, sprinkler heads with yards on
    them, adh the card has a good map of each hole with distances.
    
    just don't get above the hole, there a bit slick.
    
    a great coure, you'll enjoy iam sure
    
    49-39 
    
    bob

    
    	Thanks Bob, that is good to know... 
    
    	Gene

Re: .82

>    just don't get above the hole, there a bit slick.
    
     Amen!  Earlier this summer I played in a member/guest there.  On
     the 18th hole I had a 6 foot putt from above the hole.  I bearly
     tapped it and ended up 12 feet past.  After we finished I sat on
     the veranda and watched 5 others try to make the same putt.  I
     kept it the closest of the lot!

     Re: The discussion of 150 markers.  In general there is so much
     change in elevation on the course that the 150 markers are only
     a slight help.  You are generally adding/subtracting clubs based
     upon the elevation.  I think local knowledge is really required to
     play the course well.

     Enjoy your tournament.  My prediction for the winners:

     The team that can hit it long & straight off the tee, keeping it in
     the short grass out of the dense rough, with the hot putter. ;-)

    	It sounds like the weather for Thursday may be okay, with the
    rain moving in earlier in the week than initially forecast and moving
    out earlier. Let's hope!

    
      I have the trophies, the old smooth putting stroke back, a 
    competitive partner who's chomping at the bit, so let's do it!
    
      The forecast for Thursday is partly cloudy (I look at as partly
    sunny) and a comfortable 60�.  
    
    -rick

    With thursday approaching, I'd like to say "Hit'em well" to all playing in
    the tournament. See you thursday morning.
    
    This is going to be fun!
    
    					-Paul

	Listed below are the team handicaps.  It looks like there are some
great pairings for Challenge Cup.  See you on Thursday!



Name                   Players                         Handicap  Rank  Odds

The Loopers         -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel         10       1    3-1
Nonames IV          -  Ray Wieczerzack, Dan Thrasher     30      11    8-1

ACE                 -  Dave Sullivan, Wayne Gordon       21       6    6-1
The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene         18       5    5-1

Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes       22       7    6-1
Batman & Robin      -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione      24       8    6-1

The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook           13       2    4-1
The Chilliddipperrs -  Rich O'Connor, Bob Carlin         28      10    7-1

Stuart & Kite       -  Randy Stuart, Tom Descrochers     18       5    5-1
Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire        15       4    4-1

The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik      55      15   20-1
NFWays              -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher         49      14   15-1

Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor           14       3    4-1
The Slashers        -  Keith Niskala, Larry Hebert       32      12    9-1

The Eagles          -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus        40      13   12-1
The BB's            -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke        27       9    7-1

    
    As Paul said in .87, Hit'em well and good luck to all....!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    		Some need the luck more than others....;-)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    		See you all at the course... I look forward to meeting
    		some more of the people behind the names in this notes
    		file...
    
    
    		Gene (who_is_hoping_the_forecast_for_Thursday_is_correct)

Name                   Players                         Handicap  Rank  Odds

The Loopers         -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel         10       1    3-1
Nonames IV          -  Ray Wieczerzack, Dan Thrasher     30      11    8-1

ACE                 -  Dave Sullivan, Wayne Gordon       21       6    6-1
The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene         18       5    5-1

Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes       22       7    6-1
Batman & Robin      -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione      24       8    6-1

The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook           13       2    4-1
The Chilliddipperrs -  Rich O'Connor, Bob Carlin         28      10    7-1

Stuart & Kite       -  Randy Stuart, Tom Descrochers     18       5    5-1
Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire        15       4    4-1

The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik    * 37      13   12-1
NFWays              -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher         49      15   15-1

Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor           14       3    4-1
The Slashers        -  Keith Niskala, Larry Hebert       32      12    9-1

The Eagles          -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus        40      14   12-1
The BB's            -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke        27       9    7-1


(*) -- was 55

    
    I will be setting up a paramutuel pool at the golf course.  Two dollar
    bets on a team to win or place.  See me at course.  This is my
    undertaking with usual disclaimers for our employer.  Do not use this
    conference to reply.  Use mail.

Last chance.

If anyone is considering dropping out of the tournament due to 
inclement weather (under 70 degrees F), I'd be glad to sub.

Tom

    
    
    New meaning to the team ACE.
    
    It was Sunday afternoon a beautiful day for golf.
    
    Milwood C.C. the place (14 hole course).
    
    Yours truly having a wonderful round. (same ball all day) get's to the
    13th hole a 150yd par 3.
    
    It is a beautiful shot... it's on it's way
    
    It could be, it might be --
    
    It's  IN THE HOLE !! IT'S IN THE HOLE !!! The crowd stunned by my 
    fabulous shot !! (Me too!! my first one) 
    
    An 8-iron was the culprit-
    
    Look out Thursday !!!!
    
    - Dave "Hole-in-one" Sullivan
    

    
    	Congrats Dave...!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    		To bad you used it up before the tourney...;-)

    	Well Allright Dave!!! Congratulations on your hole in one...
    But??? Doesn't that mean you'll be buying a round after the Scramble
    Tourny?? I thought it went something like that... 
    
    	Good luck tomorrow everyone, and trust me if you need a partner
    don't hesitate to get Tom Davis... excellent golfer.

    
    Walt
    	

    	Just to let all my fellow competitors that they are all in a
    battle for second place. The Slashers will NOT look back. My game
    is near its peak, I'm hitting like Norman and putting like Crenshaw.
    
    	Too bad it's like Stanley Norman of East Overshoe, Tenn. not Greg 
    Norman and Otis Crenshaw of Crabapple Cove, Me. not Ben Crenshaw.
    
    	Good luck to all!  (Fingers crossed behind my back) snicker,snicker

    
    	Keith

    
    Congratulations Dave. I'm glad you "shot" your wad before Thursday. 
    You're all done. But for good luck, can I rub your belly on the first
    tee tomorrow.
    
    Joe
    

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Team     Name                   Players                     Handicap  Rank  Odds
 No

 1    The Loopers         -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel         10       1    3-1
 2    Nonames IV          -  Ray Wieczerzack, Dan Thrasher     30      11    8-1

 3    ACE                 -  Dave Sullivan, Wayne Gordon       21       6    6-1
 4    The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene         18       5    5-1

 5    Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes       22       7    6-1
 6    Batman & Robin      -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione      24       8    6-1

 7    The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook           13       2    4-1
 8    The Chilliddipperrs -  Rich O'Connor, Bob Carlin         28      10    7-1

 9    Stuart & Kite       -  Randy Stuart, Tom Descrochers     18       5    5-1
10    Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire        15       4    4-1

11    The Boston Brooms   -  Bill Fagerberg, Mike Gryglik      37      13   12-1
12    NFWays              -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher         49      15   15-1

13    Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor           14       3    4-1
14    The Slashers        -  Keith Niskala, Larry Hebert       32      12    9-1

15    The Eagles          -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus        40      14   12-1
16    The BB's            -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke        27       9    7-1



Team numbers have been assigned for paramutual purposes, see Bill Fagerberg at
the course to play.  Win and place only.  65 - 35 split.  Good luck everyone!!

    
    Boy,
    
    I figured that ACE would up my point spread. Your a tuff crowd!!
    
    For all those attending the breakfast, see ya there!!
    
    -Dave
    

	Good luck to all of you who are playing in the scramble.  I hope
	you all shoot alot of birds tomorrow because ...

	A few of you will have to be eating crow tomorrow! ;-)

	Larry

    
    
    
    
    
                        B O N U S    P R I Z E
                       ________________________
    
      There will be a CAR* given away to the closest to pin on the last par
    3 hole.  A hole-in-one will further benefit the lucky stroker; the car
    will be assembled, painted and all decals applied!!!
    
    *  fine print too small for available pixels.  CAR supplied by REVELL
    MODELS, no promotional considerations, local taxes and rules apply.

  For those of you planning to spend time in the club house following this
  monumental event, please take the following pledge........


                      The DEC Drinking Pledge
                      =======================

			I will not drink,
   			  but if I do;
			I will not get drunk,
			  but if I do;
			It will not be in public,
			  but if it is;
			I will not pass out,
			  but if I do;
			I will fall face down,
			so my badge won't show.

    Can hardly wait to hear the results! Glad you guys got some
    nice weather for the big event...
    
    Patti

    	A big HIP HIP HOORAY  for Rick in organizing the event. It was
    a great day out there and lots of fun even the my team didn't win.
    Congrats to Stopera/Mook the winning team at an outstanding 65(-6)
    over a not so easy course. It didn't hurt their cause when they
    started off the first hole with an eagle two!!
    	Looking forward to next year......
    
    Keith_who's_officially_in_training_for_next_year_already!

                  (___________________)
                   \       DEC       /
                    \ Challenge Cup /
                     \  Champions  /
                     /             \
                 +=====================+
                 |        1989         |
                 |                     |
                 |    Peter Stopera    |
                 |    Bob Mook         |
                 |                     |
                 +---------------------+
    

            Congratulations gentlemen!!  You played sensational. More
         details after I get caught up at work.  Thanks to all that
         played.  We had a 100% turnout!!
    
    -rick
    
    ps.  The BB's did not play well.  A four-putt did us in big time.

    
    	Thanks Rick for a great tourney...! Thanks Jeff for picking
    	a great course...! Thanks "the powers that be" for great
    	weather...! And thanks to my partner for carrying me all day...!
    
    	Congrats to Peter and Bob for a GREAT round (as Peter said they
    	played the "ultilmate" ding & dong)..!!!!
    
    
    	Peter/Bob, where are you going to have the tourney next year...?
    
    	Gene

    
    Peter and Bob,
    	
    	Congratulations on a spectacular round! Starting with an amazing
    	150 yd? up hill, semi-blind approach shot that found the hole for
    	an eagle... Yow! 
    
    	The Lemon-stirs would like to know if (when you have the time) we
    	could come by and look at, but not "touch" the trophy???
    
    	humbly,
    
    	Walt + Bob
    
    
    	PS. Thanks to the BB's for running a great tourny, and to all the
    	    players... it was a blast! Soooo, where's the next one at?
    	    We want the car!!!
    

    
    Congratulations guys, great round with a great start. Thanks to all
    who orginized it was a great day. What a course!! Nice layout with
    some great placement shots. I can't imagine playing that sucker in
    90 degree weather with 85% humidity. It was sweating my Titelist's
    off by the 4th hole.
    I have never played in a two man format. It's great as long as you
    both don't go south on the same hole. We both went to Havana on #2
    and took a double. It's the number  one stroke hole so we didn't feel
    too bad. Yeah right!!! 
    Waht a great way to end the season and looking forward to coming back
    next year and birding that sucka'.
    
    Joe

    Thanks Rick for running a great tournament!
    
    Congratulations to Peter & Bob. A superb round!
    
    Looking forward to next year. A question, if you played in this years
    tourney, do you automatically have first choice as to wether or not you
    want to play in next years? (before sign up is opened to all)
    
    
    					-Paul
    

    Thanks, Rick. It was a fabulous day to play. Had a great time.
    
    Thanks also to my partner, the moderator, for inviting me. Next
    time, though, pick on some others to do our side betting with, 
    rather than the first and second place team!
    
    Congrats Peter and Bob. Helluva start on one.
    

    
    To Rick and Jeff: First class job all the way!
    
    To the winners: Congratulations on a great round. My partner and I
    played very well and actually thought we were in contention. I don't
    think we realized how talented this field was. 
    
    Let's play Chicopee CC next time around.
    
    -Steve.

     First of all, I'd like to thank Gene Kelley (for afterall, it was his
  idea to begin with), Bill Fagerberg for running the para and for providing
  the automobile for our closest to the pin, and to Dave Sullivan for organ-
  izing the breakfast.

     Now, time for me to eat crow.  The BB's were awful.  Considering how
  well we were getting off the tee all day, we scored as high as it was
  inhumanly possible.  Other than coming up with a birdie on #2 (the 
  number 1 handicap hole), we did nothing.  And as previously stated, the
  four-putt on #7 (how can a two man team 4 putt?????) killed us. Both of us
  felt numb for the rest of the round.  You all were right, we were wrong.
  But we will get you next year!!


     Here are the final results. 
     
    1st      The Bombers           33 32  65
    2        The Loopers           33 34  67    (2nd tie-breaker - Most birds)
    3        The Lemon-stirs       33 34  67
    4        Nonames I             34 36  70  
    5        Salem Aces            34 37  71    (1st tie-breaker - Best back 9)
    6        Salt & Pepper         33 38  71
    7        Stewart & Kite        36 36  72
    8        ACE                   37 39  76
    9        The Chilliddipperrs   38 39  77
    10       The BB's              38 40  78    (1st tie-breaker - Best back 9)
    11       The Slashers          36 42  78
    12       Batman & Robin        39 40  79
    13       Nonames V             39 42  81
    14       The Eagles            39 44  83
    15       NFWays                42 44  86
    16       The Boston Brooms     45 45  90 
   

  -humbly_yours_rick
    

    
    BTW  Who won the Fararri ??
    
    Thanks again guys for puting on such a great tourney !! I had a 
    great time and got quite a workout on those hills !!
    
    For ha ha's I calculated net scores ....  results as follows ...
    
    
    1st		The Lemon-stirs		58
    2		The Bombers		59
    3		Salt & Pepper		60
    4		The Loopers		62
    5		The Slashers		62
    6		NFWays			62
    7		Nonames I		63
    8		Stewart & Kite		63
    9		The Chilliddipperrs	63
    10		The Eagles		63
    11		Salem Aces		64
    12		The BB's		65
    13		ACE			66
    14		Nonames V		66
    15		Batman & Robin		67
    16		The Boston Brooms	72
    
    Randy (in Payne Stewart) 
    
    still_waiting_for_the_putt_on_18_to_drop_in  8*0
    

    Thanks everyone for the congraulations. I though Rick did an excellent
    job running the tourney, I think it's a great format, and the cups are
    beautiful. 
    
    My partner and I were the ulitmate Frick and Frack, we counted up the
    shots that each of us used and it came out that we used one more of my
    shots then his. We also made some good 20-30 foot putts on the back
    side that helped our cause.
    
    Thanks again,
    Peter
    

    now you all understand why the PGA SENIOR TOUR went to CONCORD.
    the old timers were sucking wind even useing carts.
    
    bob, who wins the skins every time i play marlboro

    
    	Bob, 
    
    	You don't walk Sugarloaf...!!!!
    
    	Gene
    (who_must_admit_that_he_got_a_little_winded_on_a_couple_hills_yesterday)
    [I guess I can't run up them like I used to.... ;-)]
     

    gene,
     on more than a few holes sugarloaf has 1/4 mile or better between
     green and next tee.
    
    
    and why would anyone want to put up with stow when marlboro is so
    nice.
    
    47-37 bob

    
>    	Gene
>   (who_must_admit_that_he_got_a_little_winded_on_a_couple_hills_yesterday)
>   [I guess I can't run up them like I used to.... ;-)]
     
 	A little winded????  I tell ya, it was a sorry sight to see
    our trusty moderator pleading to just hop onto my PULLCART and
    have me haul him up the hills.   :^)   

    
    			Great Time!!!
    
    	I had a great time playing in the tourney...Although my
    partner and I had a tough time in our first tournament.
    
    	We had the pleasure of playing with the BB's and we had 
    a good time. I must tell everyone about there birdie on #2.
    Rick steps up to putt a 45-50 footer down the slope with a 
    huge left to right break and puts it right in the middle. My
    partner and I were stunned, I was thinking at the time that
    they would be lucky to 2 putt from where they were. 
    
    	Thanks to Rick and Jeff for a great tournament!!!
    The Eagles will be back next year and hopefully not make as
    many mistakes.
    
    Steve
    
    

    
    
     Thanks to all for a great time.  Wish I had brought my game along, but
    someone had to work while you were all out practicing.......
    
    We had the honor of playing in the same foursome with the
    Lemon-Stirrers and got to see some real golf.  Some of the better long
    and mid iron play I've seen.  They could have played better if they
    had better playing partners!
    
    BTW, who did win that beautiful red Testarossa???  I saw Walt put one
    about 15 feet from the pin.  There wasn't any marker on the green and
    three foursomes behind us.
    
    
    Tough competition, next year I plan to practice some......

    
    I'm sure that was a great putt, but not the putt of the day I'm
    afraid. My partner, Rolf Wandel hit a 1 iron on the long par 3
    5th hole. It landed about three feet off of the right side. The pin
    was about 15 feet off the left side. We estimated the putt to be 
    about 60 feet with a 15-20 foot break. I believe a few of you
    heard the screams. BTW, Rolf did a pretty good imitation of Jack
    himself on #16 at Augusta in '76, I believe, coaxing it in starting
    from about 20 feet away. Great, great putt!!
    
    Joe.
    

    	Aha, another team that birdied the 238 yard par 3 5th hole.
    My partner Larry Hebert hit his 3 wood, pin high about 5 feet off
    the left side of the green. After I chipped from 20 feet to about
    1 foot, he bettered me by sinking his chip. Congrats to Rolf on
    that putt, I know how LOOOOOOOOOONG it was....
    
    Keith. Do we have another scramble lined up for next week?????

    
    RE: 119,121
    Joe, not to take ANYTHING away from Rolf's putt, but....
    
    I did not see either of the putts made, but the one that was made on
    the second hole would have to have been a MUCH harder putt, IMHO...!
    I saw where Rick's shot was on the green and I would have been very
    surprised if they made it in two (but one..!). We had a four footer
    from above the hole on the second hole and had a tough time getting
    it to stop 2 feet from the hole...
    
    Gene
    

    
       Thanks for all the nice comments about the tourney.  Glad you
     all had a good time.
    
       Forgot to mention that  Wayne Gordon won the sports car with
     a great shot on the the 12th hole (island green).  He was no 
     more than 5 feet away.  His team ended up with a 3 on that hole
     though????  What happened Bassmaster?  
    
       Some points about next year....  I could be persuaded to run
     the Challenge Cup again next year if my partner is up for it
     as well.  Those that played in it this year, are automatically
     in it next year (if they wish).  Maybe we could get more teams
     to sign up and go for a shotgun start.  It will be held during
     the week again and it will probably be at a different course
     (for variety).  Marlboro was a tremendous course and the folks
     there were very hospitable.  Top notch all the way!  I'd like
     to see it scheduled a week or two earlier in the season. New
     England weather in November is just too risky.  That's it for
     now.  See you folks again next year I hope!
    
    -rick

Congratulations to the winners--a great round.

I'm glad you guys got good weather and that you seemed to enjoy the 
course. Sorry about all those leaves, though. Our greenskeeper has 
his faults, but keeping the course clear of leaves isn't one of them. 
Because of all the rain, it's been a rough fall for blowing leaves, 
I guess.

I showed up in the hope that one of you fanatics would no-show. No 
dice. Very disappointing. Fortunately, I did get a game with our 
assistant pro and a couple of other members, so all was not lost.

We teed off just ahead of your first foursome. Boy, you had a long 
day! With all the time spent sweeping through the leaves looking for 
balls, we had an uncharacteristically slow round--about 4.5 hours. But 
by the third hole we had a whole hole open between us and your 
leaders. By the time we finished they were THREE holes behind!

Any, sorry I missed it. Hope I have better luck next year.

Rick--
Does APPLYING to get into the tournament this year automatically 
assure me a spot in next year's event?

	Thanks Rick, for putting these stats together...
    
    ********************************************************************

       I had a request to provide detail of how we did hole by hole.
     So here ya go.   The toughest holes?  Easily #2 and #18, although
     I'd like to put a vote in for #7   8^(  .  The easiest?  #8, #10 
     and #13 all came in under par.  Course, I thought #2 was pretty
     easy!  8^)    See you next year.

-rick

  Hole       Par   Ave.   Eagles  Birdies  Pars  Bogeys  Doubles   Other

   1          4    4.13     1        1      9      5       0         0
   2          4    4.81     0        1      4      8       3         0
   3          4    4.19     0        2      9      5       0         0
   4          4    4.06     0        4      8      3       1         0
   5          3    3.44     0        3      4      8       1         0
   6          4    4.25     0        2      8      6       0         0
   7          3    3.25     0        1     12      2       0         1 (ugh)
   8          5    4.63     0        7      8      1       0         0
   9          4    4.06     0        3      9      4       0         0
                  -----    --       --     --     --      --        --
                  36.81     1       24     71     42       5         1 (ugh)

  10          4    3.94     0        3     11      2       0         0
  11          5    5.56     0        2      4      9       1         0
  12          3    3.19     0        2      9      5       0         0
  13          5    4.88     0        3     12      1       0         0
  14          4    4.31     0        0     11      5       0         0
  15          4    4.06     0        3      9      4       0         0
  16          4    4.44     0        1      7      8       0         0
  17          4    4.44     0        1      9      4       2         0
  18          3    4.06     0        1      4      7       2         2 *
                  -----    --       --     --     --      --        --
                  38.89     0       16     76     45       5         2
                    
                  75.69     1       40    147     87      10         3

  *  Must have been the pressure of the TV cameras

    
    
      Congrads to all the winners!
    
      My partner would like to thank you for the testarosa!! We sure had
    his wife going for a while. When she finally saw the scaled down
    batteries included version she immidiately slapped us... As for the
    put... Ya, I blew it!! Story of the day--
    
      If rick is running the SCC again I will also volunteer to run 
    the Second Annual SCC breakfast!! 
    
      Thanks again to all as it was a wonderful time.
    
      Also, I'm glad to see that our playing group the NFways did not
    finish in the cellar!! Congrads guy's !!
    
       "Bassmaster" - (Who should probably stick to fishing)
    

    
        I mentioned in the registry topic #863 that I wanted to set up
      a Woman's division for the Challenge Cup this year.  The tournament
      last year was open to all last year, but perhaps some people felt
      intimidated by who was playing and felt it wasn't for them.  Haven't
      worked out the details yet, but there will be at least two more 
      trophies for the new division.  A mininum participation (3-4 teams)
      would be required.  Again, all the details aren't worked out, I just
      wanted to get all the comments about this revelation out of the 
      registry topic and into this one where it belongs.  Comment away!!
    
    -rick

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>  Misc:      Helped run the Challenge Cup tournament. Would very much like
>             to add a woman's division to the tournament to get more folks
>             involved.
    
	Well alright! I like the sound of that!

	Patti

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    "Woman's division" sounds great! count me in!
    
    Eunhwa
    

    No, Rick, you and Jeff are not, I repeat, not qualified for the new 
    division!
    Rich

    hi rick,
    
    My opinion would be to have a women's flight, and also 2 men's flights,
    the first flight (championship flight) would allow anyone who wanted to
    play in it, the second flight would allow only team with total team
    handicaps of say 30 or over for usga card carrying members and say 26
    or over for league handicappiers for example. anyone else have any
    suguestions on how to make 2 flights, one problem i could see is that a
    5 plays with a 25 in the second flight, i think that's a stronger team
    then two 15's.
    
    peter 

re: .131

>    No, Rick, you and Jeff are not, I repeat, not qualified for the new 
>   division!
 
Mr. O'Connor,

 	Yes, the BB's had a terrible outing last year.  This year I expect
to be able to help my partner much more than last.  Rick and I are also
very much looking forward to meeting you and your partner in the Challenge
Cup '90 event. 

	Let the challenges begin!! 

Mr. B

    Mr. B.
    The challenge is accepted. For a beer. This is what I call motivation!
    Rich

    
    
    hey !??!    isn't it almost time to start planning this one ?!?
    
    I'm willing to help out wherever needed ......
    
    I'm hitting the ball great this year !  my partner, well, .........
    
                He figured it out   !!!!
    
    Randy