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| 664.1 | Try CALLAWAY system! | CHET::BEAUCHESNE | | Wed Jun 28 1989 13:38 | 9 |
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I would recommend the Callaway system. It is ideal for the
situation you describe. The rules are very simple. I beleive they
are spelled out somewhere else in this file. If not, send me mail.
Another suggestion would be a Captain and Crew type of tournament,
although this would mean giving out prizes for the foursome.
Moe
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| 664.2 | | FSHQA2::JGALLAGHER | | Wed Jun 28 1989 13:55 | 10 |
| I play in an annual community tournament and they use the Callaway
system. Since everyone is out for the fun of it, it makes the
tournament enjoyable for all. After 18 holes are played, people
a broken up into mixed foursomes and a 9 hole Scrambles match is
played. Again its fun for all.
Prizes are given out for low gross, low net, closest to the pin,
longest drive and the highly coveted prize for highest gross score.
Jim
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| 664.3 | Easy Handicap | FENNEL::LUCIANO | | Wed Jun 28 1989 22:37 | 12 |
| Simplest way I know of is to have everybody play all 18 holes.
Draw 6 holes at random; determine how many over par each player
is for those 6 holes, multiply by 3, and that's their 18 hole handicap.
Take their 18 hole score, subtract their 18 hole handicap...lowest
net score is the winner. Simple!
If possible, choose 1 par 5, 1 par 3, and 4 par 4s in the 6 hole
handicap.
Good Luck!
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| 664.4 | Florida style | VISE::LEVESQUE | The Dukes a DINK! | Thu Jun 29 1989 14:31 | 6 |
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Your in Florida, then play florida style!!! It's fast and fun for
everyone. I always enjoy playing florida style at my clubs playday.
Brian
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| 664.5 | QUESTION ON CALLOWAY SYSTEM.... | LACV01::FRANKE | | Fri Jun 30 1989 14:16 | 37 |
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Thanks for the suggestions. The Calloway system sounds pretty good, but
I have a question regarding it.
Lets say you shoot a 90, which means that you take your 2 worst holes plus
a 2 stroke adjustment. What happens if you had 4 double bogeys for your
18 hole round, ie on 2 of the par 3's you get 5's; and on 2 of the par 5's
you get 7's. All you other scores were pars and bogeys. What 2 holes are
considered the worst?
If you use the 2 par 3's, then you score a 5+5+2=12...90-12=78
If you use the 2 par 5's, then you score a 7+7+2=16...90-16=74
*****
Another scenario is what if you get 5's on the 2 par 3's and a 7 on 1 of the
par 5's and pars and bogeys the rest of the way. Which holes are the worst?
The 2 par 3's, or 1 par 3 hole and the 1 par 5 hole???
Again, if you used the par 3's, you would net at 78, if you used 1 par 3 and
1 par 5 hole you would get 5+7+2=14...90-14=76
Would you always use par 3 holes first, then the par 4 and then the par 5's?
*****
Does anybody have the right answer???
Reason I am asking this question here, is that I just called Nevada Bob's,
and they did not know the answer. I then called 2 of the country clubs here
in Florida, and neither one of them knew the answer. One said use the par 3's
and the other said use the par 5's, but neither was sure what the correct
answer was.
Thanks,
Bill
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| 664.6 | highest gross | ESPN::BLAISDELL | Hear me now, believe me later, ya? | Fri Jun 30 1989 14:56 | 58 |
| Bill,
I always interpreted the "worst" hole(s) to be the ones with
the highest gross value as opposed to the score in relation to
par for a hole. In your example, I would use the par 5 scores
instead of the double bogeys on the par 3's. I retrieved this
from another topic and will cross-post it to the old calloway
topic so people can find it easier. Good luck with your tournament!
- Rick
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Using the table below, find your gross score for a 18 hole round.
Find the number of "worst holes" you can deduct and the adjustment
number. The worst holes must be taken from holes 1 - 16. Total the
worst holes and that is your handicap prior to adjustment. Apply the
adjustment to find the real handicap to be used in calculating your
net score. Confused? Good....so am I......
For example. I shoot an 82 the day of the tournament. I lookup to
the table and find that I must pick my 1 1/2 worst
holes in holes 1 - 16. My worst hole was a 7 and my
next worst hole was a 6. So far my handicap is 10.
7 + (6 * .5) = 10. Next I look down the column my
gross score is on and find my adjustment number. It
is -1, so I deduct 1 from the 10 handicap to get a
real handicap of 9. My net score is calculated to be
a 73 (82 - 9).
SCORE DEDUCT
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70 71 72 scratch - no adjustment
73 74 75 -- -- 1/2 worst hole & adjust
76 77 78 79 80 1 worst hole & adjust
81 82 83 84 85 1 1/2 worst hole & adjust
86 87 88 89 90 2 worst holes & adjust
91 92 93 94 95 2 1/2 worst holes & adjust
96 97 98 99 100 3 worst holes & adjust
101 102 103 104 105 3 1/2 worst holes & adjust
106 107 108 109 110 4 worst holes & adjust
etc.......etc.......etc..... blah.....blah......blah
ADJUSTMENT
-2 -1 0 +1 +2 Add or deduct to handicap
* Maximum handicap is 50
* No hole may be scored at more than twice its par
* Half strokes count as whole
* 17th and 18th holes are never deducted
* In case of ties, lowest handicap takes preference
-rick-
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| 664.7 | Another Callaway question | LACV01::FRANKE | | Fri Sep 29 1989 14:14 | 54 |
| RE: <<< Note 664.6 by ESPN::BLAISDELL "Hear me now, believe me later, ya?" >>>
-< highest gross >-
Since my tournament is only 2 weeks away, and we have decided to use the
Callaway System, one question came up regarding this system. Lets say that
3 golfers all shoot 90. that means (according to the chart below) that they
deduct their 2 worst holes, plus a 2 stroke adjustment. For arguments sake,
lets say that golfer A had his 2 worst holes on the par 5's, and both scores
were a 5, therefore he would subtract 5+5+2=12...90-12=78.
Now golfer B shoots a 90 and his 2 worst holes are also on the par 5's, he
gets a 7 on both of them, so he would subtract 7+7+2=16...90-16=74.
Then golfer C shoots 90 and his 2 worst holes are 10's on the par 5's so
he would subtract 10+10+2=22...90-22=68.
Assuming this, and their other holes were pars, bogeys etc so that the par 5's
are used for the worst hole (highest score), golfer C would win with a net of
68, even though he shot two 10's on the par 5's and golfer A who parred the
par 5's and also shot a gross of 90, netted a 74 and ends up losing the
tournament.
Is this really fair, or am I missing something?
Thanks for your help.
Bill
SCORE DEDUCT
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70 71 72 scratch - no adjustment
73 74 75 -- -- 1/2 worst hole & adjust
76 77 78 79 80 1 worst hole & adjust
81 82 83 84 85 1 1/2 worst hole & adjust
86 87 88 89 90 2 worst holes & adjust
91 92 93 94 95 2 1/2 worst holes & adjust
96 97 98 99 100 3 worst holes & adjust
101 102 103 104 105 3 1/2 worst holes & adjust
106 107 108 109 110 4 worst holes & adjust
etc.......etc.......etc..... blah.....blah......blah
ADJUSTMENT
-2 -1 0 +1 +2 Add or deduct to handicap
* Maximum handicap is 50
* No hole may be scored at more than twice its par
* Half strokes count as whole
* 17th and 18th holes are never deducted
* In case of ties, lowest handicap takes preference
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| 664.8 | Monte Carlo Golf | ADVLSI::FONTANA | Eric Fontana | Fri Sep 29 1989 16:24 | 13 |
| >>Is this really fair, or am I missing something?
No, it's not fair. You should use the "Blind Draw Calloway" system,
rather than this one. NO calloway is ever fair, it's basically,
"roll the dice, and see who wins"
The blind draw calloway is a little fairer, in that, nobody knows
what holes will be drawn until the tournament is over, and the
last card is in. See note 751.0 for a description of the blind
draw calloway, and peoria systems.
/Eric
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| 664.9 | handicapper's nightmares | ESPN::BLAISDELL | 5,4,3..nah gimme the driver | Fri Sep 29 1989 16:53 | 11 |
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Eric is correct. In fact, if you had enough time to think about
it, you could come up with a hundred scenarios that would illustrate
the problems with the straight callaway.
In my United Way Tournament this year, I've selected the Blind
Draw callaway. We'll let you know how it works. Mr. Fontana is
playing in it as a matter of fact. We'll let you know how he does,
too. ;^)
-rick
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| 664.10 | Don't worry! | THEBUS::GRYGLIK | When's our tee time? | Tue Oct 03 1989 12:51 | 22 |
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re: < Note 664.7 by LACV01::FRANKE >
-< Another Callaway question >-
Bill, of course it's fair. How easy do you think it is to manipulate
the Callaway System? What does it take?
In order to manipulate the Callaway to your advantage you must score
10's on the appropriate number of par fives that will result in a score
that will be above the +2 handicap column AND score par or better on
all the other holes AND get to deduct the correct number of holes! To
accomplish this, you've got to be one heckuva player, which says you're
sandbagging the par fives, and some sort of mathematical genius to keep
track of what your scores need to be to end up with your gross in the
+2 handicap column. Your player C just happens to POSSIBLY be in this
category, though I doubt it.
The Callaway evens things out between the good golfers and
not-so-good golfers. It does leave more to chance but eliminates
the worry of a sandbagged handicap.
Mike
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