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| 492.1 | Scientific studies show ... | ENGINE::WARFIELD | Gone Golfing | Thu Jan 05 1989 17:26 | 14 |
| Re: .-1
> note: It's my opinion that his $$$ should be spent on Lessons,
> and not just trading Clubs each/every year! What say you
> experienced Golfers?
I've seen good golfers shot good scores with bad clubs, but I've
never seen a bad golfer shoot a good roung with good clubs!
I say that he has enough data to prove that they clubs don't change
his score so maybe he should consider different alternatives.
Larry
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| 492.2 | your clubs should reflect your ability | VINO::RASPUZZI | Michael Raspuzzi | Thu Jan 05 1989 20:41 | 7 |
| Clubs definitely do not make the golfer. If you are not a good ball
striker, then it is a bad idea to get clubs like the Wilson Staffs.
They are not forgiving on mis-hits. So for an average ball striker,
clubs made for a single digit handicapper would actually hurt instead
of help.
Mike
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| 492.3 | | PNO::LATHAM | | Fri Jan 06 1989 08:43 | 26 |
| <It's the one holding the sticks>
Just a personal opinion and personal experiences.
Up until last Xmas I was playing with a set of sticks that I
bought second hand ten years ago. Could stay up with most of
the people in the league and carried a handicap around 12.
Then the accommodating better half gave me a gift certificate
for Xmas and I bought a set of Mizuno Cimarron irons and woods
It took about six months but the handicap now is 10-11, which
to me is a good incremental improvement. (Actually the putting
is killing me. The ball gets bigger and the cup shrinks.)
I have been playing around 40 years and this seems to be normal
from the people I have played with. If a person is a 20 handicap
player he/she will stay there unless they get some lessons, play
and practice a lot. (More than 9 holes/week.)
My son-in-law is another example. He has been playing for a
couple of years. Bought a set of Pings, took some lessons
after carving up the greensward for a year and still does well
to break 110. He plays at least once every two months.
I Have to agree with .2-it definitely is the person doing the
swinging.
Harold
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| 492.4 | The clubs do not a golfer make.... | WORDS::NISKALA | HEY! Wheeeeere's the snow? | Fri Jan 06 1989 08:45 | 7 |
| He certainly should have stayed with the Pings or Titleists.
Like Mike mentioned, the Staffs are not forgiving as the "game im-
provement" clubs can be, ala Pings, DTR's, etc. I wish I had the
money to buy some of his "second hand" sets.
This year I'm getting lessons to help correct my swing and my
scores should be coming down from the high 40's to hopefully low
40's by mid season. Save money on the clubs; invest in lessons.
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| 492.5 | CLUBS HELP IF YOU ARE TRYING | BIMINI::FOX | | Fri Jan 06 1989 11:48 | 13 |
| While I agree that a bad player will still play bad with a good
set of clubs I think a good set of clubs can help if you are trying
to improve your game. At the start of last year I was playing to
a 12 in the DEC league. That is 12 for 9 24 for 18. I was using
a set of Wilson 1200's. I took a few lessons and practiced at the
range and got my handicap to 9/10. I then got a set of PING's made
to my height and took a few more lessons. By the end of the year
going into the playoffs I was down to a 6.
No the PING's didn't do it all but they helped my confidence and
helped me put into play what I learned in the lessons once I changed
my swing plane to accomodate the clubs. Also the cost made me continue
to practice so I could justify the purchase to my wife.
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| 492.6 | Equipment should = your ability | VINO::RASPUZZI | Michael Raspuzzi | Fri Jan 06 1989 12:08 | 35 |
| Re .-1:
This is the classic case for upgrading clubs. You are right, the
clubs did not improve your game, the lessons did.
However, upgrading your clubs when you were ready for the new ones
is a good move.
Clubs designed for a beginner are more forgiving and generally have
a bigger sweet spot. They are designed with the average ball striker
in mind. Once your ball striking ability increases, then the clubs
might actually detract from your game. Taking lessons will increase
your ball striking ability.
At one time I had a 2 handicap for 18 holes. This year, I played
to about a 5 for most of the year. I swing Wilson Staffs and I will
tell you, the beginning of the year when my ball striking ability
is not good, I hit some shots that feel like broken bat singles
and the ball does not go very far at all. The Staffs have a smaller
sweet spot than say, the 1200s. That means I should buy a set of
1200s for early season play :-) :-).
Not only do I play golf, but I also ski. When a person's skiing
ability increases, they naturally will upgrade their ski equipment
to a stiffer boot, stiffer and longer ski and possibly a more heavy
duty binding. Most skiers cannot tell the difference between a high
performance ski and a recreational ski. But if you race (I.E. can
push the ski for what it was built for) then you can definitely
tell the difference!
Bottom line is: play with clubs that suit your game. If you need
to upgrade because your ability has increased (and you can afford
it or your wife will let you) then I say go for it.
Mike
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| 492.7 | Another 2� worth | OBRIEN::KEVIN | The perfect swing...the endless search | Fri Jan 06 1989 12:51 | 37 |
| RE: .6
>> <<< Note 492.6 by VINO::RASPUZZI "Michael Raspuzzi" >>>
>> -< Equipment should = your ability >-
>> Re .-1:
>> This is the classic case for upgrading clubs. You are right, the
>> clubs did not improve your game, the lessons did.
I wonder if this is really the case? The important point to .5 (I
thought) was that the clubs were fitted to his height.
Up until a couple of years ago I would have agreed 100%. However I've
come to learn that properly fitted equipment can make a big difference.
If you're swinging a club that's too (heavy,short,long.....) you will
have a hard time making good contact. On the other hand with a so so
swing, you could make good contact and PERHAPS score better if the
equipment is fitted properly.
About the base note, I don't think there was enough information to
really determine what the problem. I think we all agree, a lot of
money was spent for no return. I think there were 3 sets of perimeter
weighted clubs in the selection. Does that say that his ball striking
was the same with center weighted and peripherial weighted? Or was the
problem better ball striking with peripherial weighted clubs and 3
putting instead of missing the green and chip and 2 putt.
Anyway now that I've smoked the whole thing up, I think that the guy
should go to a pro or a club fitter and get an analysis of the problem.
Maybe a few swing changes would help (although 6 years of the same
mistakes will be tough to change) or "doctoring" the staffs will do the
trick.
KO
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| 492.8 | I'm a "low budget, high capper" | VICKI::SMITH | Consulting is the Game | Fri Jan 06 1989 13:47 | 19 |
| re: .7
He bought the Wilson Staff's (new model) at the end of the 1988
Golf season, and he's only played them a couple of times! But,
he did buy them at a Pro Shop, and they refered him to a Club
Fitter who measured his Loft/Lie and who's machine 'bent' the
new Wilson Staff's clubheads! note: He's bought each/every set
of Clubs mentioned in the .0 basenote from the same Pro Shop,
and they've let him "trade-up" each/every year, but he looses
a couple hundred $$$ of Investment each/every trade! Guess that
I'm jealous as heck because I'm still playin' this silly Game
with a set of cheapo ($149.95) Wilson "Sam Sneads" that I'd
bought at K-Mart in 1983. But, my New Year's resolution is to
"trade-up" to a set of MacGregor Tourney's before the 1989
Golf season gets underway!!!
hangin' in there,
Bob
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| 492.9 | Seve !! | GAO::AGRIFFIN | | Mon Jan 09 1989 08:10 | 13 |
| I think that if we look at the example given by one of the world's
greatest golfers today, Severiano Ballesteros, it will bear out
the point that clubs don't make a golfer. It is said that when
Seve took up the game as a kid, all he had was one club, a three
iron. He used this to hit tee shots, fairway shots, chip shots,
everything. As a result, he now has the ability to make shots
from situations which you or I might not even think of.
Mind you, he has a few more clubs today.....!!
Anyone interested in buying a 2, ,4,5,6,7,8,9,PW,SW ???!!
Aidan.
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| 492.10 | fundamentals = good swing | TONTO::GORDON | | Mon Jan 09 1989 12:22 | 7 |
| re: .1
That sounds very familiar, when stressing fundamentals I've
seen many times the following:
"you never see a good golfer with a bad grip, and you never see
a bad golfer with a good grip..."
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| 492.11 | three clubs | BTO::HOGANP | | Mon Jan 23 1989 14:58 | 19 |
| re .9
I usually shoot in the low 40's and high 30's. One day at lunch
I decided to go to the club, that happens to only be 5 minutes from
the plant and hit some puts. When I got there I said "what the heck"
and grabed my 3 iron, p-wedge and putter. I paired up with a couple
of guys on the first tee a figured I would 4 or 5 holes. Well I
got to tell you I played almost as well with 3 clubs as I did with
the whole damn set. The first hole is a 420 yd. par four. Usually
I will hit a 1 wood and a 3,4 or 5 iron. Today I hit the 3 iron
off the tee then another off the fairway a chip onto the green and
one put for the par. Boy that was easy. Next hole 180 par three.
3 iron onto the green 2 out par. That was easy. Next dog right par
5 not a tough one but I pared that one too. I bogeyed the next three
holes but that's normal for me. I wouldn't want to play like that
all the time, I mean the 4th was a 175 par three and I chipped a
three iron up there. But it really makes you wounder.
Pete
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| 492.12 | 50%golfer50%club | CIMNET::CAFE | | Wed Aug 22 1990 14:08 | 15 |
| Hi Golfers,
I played w/ a 3 handicapper yesterday who owns a set of Tommy Armour
irons.I used his clubs for every shot after 4 holes because thats
what he suggested after I had got so frustrated;I couldn't even
hit a 4 iron 150 yds.As an example we got to the 6th hole a (413 yd
par 4)I hit a decent drive into my danger zone(165yds.)This is
at least a 5 wood for me My partner said here"hit this"it was a
4 iron I said "are you kidding I'll never reach ".He said "
just hit it"I wound up and swung ..............bang,right on the
green I couldn't believe it!!!!!!!and just to prove to myself
it wasn't a lucky shot I played his clubs the rest of the way in
and shot 100% better,when I couldn't even hit my clubs 1/2
that good.The one way I can sum all of this up =
You can only play as good as your equipment will let you!
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| 492.13 | 25%golfer25%equipment50%mind-over-matter ! | LEDS::OBRIENR | | Thu Aug 23 1990 10:48 | 0 |
| 492.14 | Get rid of EM'!!!! | CIMNET::CAFE | | Fri Aug 24 1990 13:35 | 8 |
| Hi golfers,
Just a follow up on note .12.I forgot to add that I play a Wilsson
set of irons that are of a blade club design.The Tommy Armour irons
my partner had were of a cavity backed perimeter weighted design
this type of club construction made a whole world of difference
as far as DISTANCE,ACCURACY,+ FEEL!!!!!It almost felt as if I
was cheating.
Rick
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