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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
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150.0. "Rules Question Faulty Equipment" by MTBLUE::FREEMAN_KEVI () Thu Sep 10 1987 14:39

	A player Addresses the Ball, starts the swing with intent on hitting
	the ball and the club snaps at the grip, before hitting the ground
	or ball and the pieces never touch the ball as well.  Is it a stoke
	or not.  In the rules it states a stroke to be taken if the intent
	was to hit the ball, but we can not find a provision for defective/
	broken equipment.  True situation by a friend of mine.  


                                            Regards, Kevin F.
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150.1VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziThu Sep 10 1987 19:147
    This is a special case of the intent to strike the ball situation.
    I don't believe it would cost a stroke. It does happen on occasion.
    This is not as rare as you would think. I can't site something to
    back me up but I would say, no penalty, no stroke, get another club
    and try again. Anyone else?
    
    Mike
150.2good intentionsODIXIE::KLEINWed Sep 16 1987 23:1516
    
    This falls in that grey area of "interpretation". It would seem
    to me that the rule was that the player *intended* to hit the
    ball, therefore it's considered a stroke, not a *penalty* stroke.
    Just like "wiffing" the ball, it is a stroke, not a penalty.
    
    I have snapped a club at impact, the ball advanced, I can't say
    it was equipment and take another free swing with a different club.
                                           
    On the "intent" rule, this is something that I've always wondered
    about: If I am in the midst of my swing and something distracts
    me and I have no *intention* to hit the ball, but it's too late
    to stop my swing and I lift up to intentionally *NOT* hit the ball,
    then I would think it should not be a stroke. Question is: how does
    my opponent know that I didn't just 'wiff' the shot. Do I have to
    yell "no intent" before my club reaches the bottom of the swing?
150.3ARMORY::WELLSPEAKIt's a BoyThu Oct 01 1987 18:1715
    	I'm 99% positive, that you would be charged a stroke, because
    you intended to hit the ball.  If your equipment broke, causing
    you to not strike the ball, it would be your fault, for using such
    equipment.  I myself, would not charge an opponent the stroke. 
    But in a tournament, where you are playing against many opponents,
    I'm sure they would charge you the stroke.
    	In Mr. Kleins' question.  I have heard before, and this is not
    100% positive, that if you yell or say, NO SHOT, anytime before
    you hit the ball and after you've started your swing, that the shot
    will not count as a storke.  But remeber, if you should get good
    results from that shot, you cannot play it.  This is not the easiest
    thing to do anyway.  But I have heard this more than once before.
    Once you make contact with the ball though, it's to late, and the
    stroke counts.
                                                 Beak