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Conference 7.286::golf

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71.0. "California Courses??" by HAVOC::DESROCHERS () Wed Feb 25 1987 17:12

    
    	I'll be going to California for 10 days in April.  We're planning
        on playing Pebble, Spyglass, and possibly PGA West.  We're flying
    	into L.A. and flying home from San Francisco so we're trying
    	to golf our way up the coast during the week.
    
    	Has anybody played any top courses in that general area that
    	we should check out?  Since Pebble is $125 and Spyglass and
    	PGA West in the $75 to $100 range, we'd like to try some courses
    	that are a bit more reasonable.  My partner was advised to play
    	Poppy Hills near Pebble.  Any opinions on that one?
    
    	I have the Golf Digest with the ratings by state but I'd like
    	to hear from people who have personally played or have heard
    	raves about some mid California courses.
    
    	Courses just south of LA to the San Francisco area are what
    	we're interested in.

    	Down the middle,
    	Tom
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71.1need a fourth ?MPGS::GAUDETTEThu Feb 26 1987 15:2218
    I was in that area the beginning of last year, and let me just say
    that you are in for a treat.  I loved it out there.
    
    There are many great courses in the Monterey to San Francisco area,
    not all of which may be listed in Golf Digest.  I saw (but did not
    play) and would recommend: Half Moon Bay, Del Monte, Spyglass, Pebble
    Beach.  Pebble, in my opinion is somewhat overrated.  There are
    several other public courses along the same stretch of the 17 mile
    drive that are better and less expensive.  In my opinion, Spyglass
    is in much nicer condition than Pebble.  Near Pebble there is a
    real links type public course, but I can't remember the name.
    When I was out there they were constructing a new course called
    (I think) Pirates Bay, which looked interesting, and may be finished
    already.  I'll see if I can recall more info for you.
    
    Enjoy,
    
    Peter
71.2Silicon Valley, the marketable sandtrap.WLDWST::WASHEnjoying the experienceMon Oct 12 1987 11:14149
    Since this note is being offered in Oct, '87 - it won't be of much
    help to the earlier inquiry, but I can offer you some info. on public
    courses in the Bay Area in case any of you visit us.
    
    I have not played too many courses, since I only began playing golf
    again after a 15 year hiatus. But I am out there a couple of times
    a week over the past couple of years - here is a list of some of
    the better courses I have played in the Bay Area. All the courses
    are relatively easy to "walk on to" if you are a single  - some
    courses require a 3 day to a week prior reservation for any hope
    of a twosome or larger group.
    
    I will be restricting this list to the general "South Bay" area,
    ie. greater Silicon Valley. If you have any specific questions about
    any of these courses, or would like some info. on other courses
    in the greater Bay Area, mail me a note or leave a reply - I will
    try to have the information available for you. One note: I am an
    outside contractor at DEC and will be employed here only through
    Oct or early Nov. - it could be longer, but unlikely. I will update
    any info. I have, in future notes if you are interested in courses
    in this area.
    
    I will offer you a visual aid in locating these courses (if I can
    keep it straight in my own visualization). Imagine Moffett Field
    a major Naval air base in Sunnyvale, Ca. and somewhat representative
    of the "heart" or physical center of the valley, as the point of
    reference. I will describe an expanding radius from that point and
    indicate the general direction to travel. I will add more data about
    San Jose area courses as they come to mind (future note) since there
    is an abundance of courses in that area. This list will serve as
    groundwork info. at least.
    
    1) Moffet Field. There is an 18 hole course at Moffett Field itself.
       If you visit someone who has base priveleges, it might be worth
       your while to play this course. GF under $20.
    
    2) Sunnyvale Municipal. Right across the freeway from Moffett Field.
       Relatively long course (6500 yds.+), well kept for the location,
       lots of air traffic overhead, but it's part of the character
       of the course. Gf under $20. Under $10 after 3:00pm.
    
    3) Shoreline : New course, long and in good shape. Just North of
       MF. The staff treats you with uncommon service, an enjoyable
       place to play. Gf from $8 - $28 depending on time of day and
       day (weekday vs. weekend/holiday).
    
    4) Santa Clara Golf and Tennis Club: New course opened in 1986.
       Long course, very nice and very challenging. Gf under $20.
       A common factor in the courses mentioned thus far is WIND.
       Do I hear a Boo! Hiss!? Well, it just happens to be true that
       this general area (4-5 mi. radius) is sort of a wind tunnel as
       the breezes funnel through the Bay. It can make for a VERY
       interesting day of golf. If you play in the AM, you can usually
       avoid the "gusties", and might have little more than a breeze.
       In any case, it is part of the game at these courses - somedays,
       however, are not windy.
    
    5) If you travel East to Freeway 680, you will find a few really
       nice courses. First on the list is TULARCITOS. This is nestled
       in the East bay foothills and is VERY challenging and scenic.
       It is a long course (7000 yds.) and well worth the modest GF
       ($18-25). 
    
    6) Almost "next door" to Tularcitos is SPRING VALLEY golf club.
       Perhaps easier to get "on to" on any given day and certainly
       a decent 18 holer. It isn't the challenge of Tularcitos however,
       but still a bargain course (GF under $20). Just South of Tularcitos.
    
    7) You'll have to travel an additional 10-15 miles north of Tularcitos
       on 680 to reach SUNOL Country Club. This is a treat to play.
       Two exceptional 18 holers, usually "booked" but you might get
       lucky, especially as a single. Very picturesque, and definitely
       challenging! It is even designed for late, late afternoon play
       with lights on one of the courses. A lot of tournament play here.
       Gf somewhere in the $20 range. (excluding cart). Note: All the
       GF prices I have estimated so far EXCLUDE cart, you will have
       to add an extra 12-18 $ for a cart, as a rule.
    
    8) If we travel West now from Moffett Field, there is a whole other
       world of courses. I will mention just a few. Let me begin with
       DEEP CLIFF. This is a short course 18 holer. Great for your iron
       game. Challenging, trees everywhere! You can get on as a single
       almost anytime - just go and they will accomodate you. It is
       in Cupertino in the West foothills about 15 miles from MF (max).
       GF's are great $8.50 - needless to say, I play there a lot.
    
    9) There is a similar 9 hole course near Deep Cliff - BLACKBERRY
       FARM. It costs about $9 if you want to go around twice, deceptively
       challenging. Course kept in excellent condition.
    
    10) While I am mentioning 9 holers, there is one other: PRUNERIDGE.
        Not the best of courses, but not too bad either. Receives a
        lot of "traffic", seems to be a "hacker" hang-out. It's South
        of Mf in San Jose. $5 Gf price worth the play though, and it
        is a reasonably long and challenging course.
    
    11) I omitted one other short course, this one is nearer to MF,
        in Sunnyvale, right in the heart of Silicon Valley. It's called
        SUNKEN GARDENS. 18 holes, looks easier to play than it is. Well
        maintained, and cheap (GF $8). Pleasant course, easy to get
        on if you are a single. If you want an accessible and moderately
        challenging course, you might want to check it out. Lots of
        people go there just for breakfast/lunch, good food.
    
    12) If you leave the valley and travel into the Santa Cruz mountains,
        you will find a couple of real nice courses. The most acclaimed
        is PASATIEMPO. It is just off HWY 880 as you travel through
        the mtns. toward the beach. Pasatiempo has rather an elitist
        feel to it, but it is a challenging and professional course.
        GF is around $35, depending on when you try to play. It is rated
        as one of the better courses in the state.
    
    13) For the $, there is another course near-by that is a joy to
        play. BOULDER CREEK COUNTRY CLUB. It is in Boulder Creek, situated
        in the Santa Cruz Mtns. near Big Basin state park. Very scenic,
        Cal. redwoods and the like, it's worth playing just for the
        view. Reasonably easy to pencil you in to their schedule (it's
        off the beaten cart path) and you can play for under $30 (including
        cart). Nothing easy about this course.
    
    13) If you travel the only directly connecting road between the
        two above mentioned courses, you will pass through Scott's Valley.
        Scott's Valley has it's own public course. Not a great course,
        but as is true with almost any course, it has it's own character
        and challenges. You might want to give it a shot. I haven't
        played there in a while, but I think GF's are $12-15.
    
    I think I'll end this now. Of the courses I have thus far mentioned,
    my personal favorites are:
    
    SUNOL   TULARCITOS   SANTA CLARA G&TC   SHORELINE  -   in that order,
    for the "long courses" (6500 - 7500 yds.)
    
    BOULDER CREEK    DEEP CLIFF    SUNKEN GARDENS   -  in that order,
    for the "short courses" (under 6500 yds.) and usually par 60-65.
    
    PASATIEMPO is of course an Excellent course, and of those mentioned
    may be the best. Being a resident of the area and having access
    to so many courses, Pasatiempo seems overrated to me; but it is
    certainly NOT overrated for the visitor looking for a definitive
    Bay area course. It is well worth the GF. And it is a great place
    to stop over if you are heading for the Monterrey Bay area. 
    
    I hope to add more info. for you all, in case you grace our Silicon
    Valley with a visit. There are MANY courses to choose from, depending
    on your personal taste, there will be at least a few courses that
    will cater to your golfing whims. Keep on strokin' and keep your
    eye on the birdie!
                             Marvin Wash
71.3A tourists recommendationEUCLID::WARFIELDGone GolfingTue Oct 13 1987 14:3218
Re: -.1

I had a chance to play Pasetiempo while passing through the Bay area several
years ago.  I enjoyed the course a lot.  Several holes made an impression on 
me.  I remember a short par three with a green that was so bent and twisted 
with a couple of mounds and swales thrown in for good measure that a relatively 
straight putt was one that only broke 6 inches.  

I also remember making a putt that broke my brother-in-law's heart.  As these 
stories usually go he was 10 feet away with an opportunity to win the hole.  I 
was sixty feet away.  The putt was down hill over a swale and had two breaks.  
I sank the putt!  Of course he missed then needed his to halve.  Under the 
pressure he missed his and I won the hole.

Back to the point.  If you are just passing thorugh the area make sure you play
Pasetiempo.  It's on Golf Digest's top 75 public courses list.  It was also the
site of one of the recent USGA championships. 

71.41 Stroke PenaltyWLDWST::WASHEnjoying the experienceFri Oct 16 1987 10:5912
    Just a small correction in reference to note .2 : In course #5 ,
    Tularcitos, I mentioned it being in the East Bay foothills. It is
    actually in the South Bay foothills, that happen to be on the eastern
    side of the valley. The course is technically in the San Jose/Milpitas
    area.
    All of the courses I listed are within a 15 mile radius of Moffett
    Field in Sunnyvale, most of them much closer. The only exceptions
    are Pasatiempo, Boulder Creek and Scott's Valley which are in the
    Santa Cruz Mtn. area, approx. 25-30 miles away.(West).
    
    Any interest in other Northern Cal. courses?
                                                  Marvin
71.5Rancho Bernardo(San Diego) info????POBOX::RAHEJAWed Nov 21 1990 12:307
    Would love to get any info. on golf courses around the Rancho Bernardo
    area in San Diego.  will be there for a few days beginning of Dec. and
    want to get a few rounds of golf in.  Thanks for your help.
    
    Regards,
    
    Dalip
71.6Hello Hello!!POBOX::RAHEJATue Nov 27 1990 04:526
    Hello!  Hello!!  Anyone out there from the San Diego area that can help
    with the info??
    
    Regards,
    
    Dalip
71.7Off the top of my head...LABC::MCCLUSKYTue Nov 27 1990 12:1424
    re: .6
    I don't live there, but I do like to play several courses there. 
    Suggest you try Pala Mesa, if you need a place to stay they have a
    "Hole-in-one" that is $99 per person per night and includes 9 holes
    on day of arrival and 18 the next day (for $10 you can play 18 on the
    first day) and includes a fine breakfast, cocktail, range balls, club
    storage, cart, everything.  During the week you can get unlimited golf
    with cart for $115/person and it includes breakfast and dinner(their
    resturant is good!).  You should also investigate Temecula Creek Inn,
    which has 27 holes, similar packages and the finest of resturants.  I
    would also try Fallbrook Country Club.  Another favorite of mine is
    San Luis Rey Downs, and is usually easy to get on.  Of course you are
    close to Torrey Pines, which is listed in the top courses in the
    nation.  Torrey Pines is public and a little more difficult to get on,
    but is a fantastic lay-out.  Singing Hills (I think that is the name),
    is reported to be a fine golf course, as is Rancho Bernardo.  I have
    also played El Camino, but that is in Oceanside and getting a ways away
    from Rancho Bernardo.  If you are a little adventourous you may want to
    try Tijuana Country Club and/or Bajamar (Ensanada, B.C.) which are
    both in Mexico.  I listed these from memory, but if you have time, I'll
    look them up for you and give you more info.  I'd definitely play
    Temecula Creek and Pala Mesa and they are close to Rancho Bernardo.
    
    Big Mac
71.8Singing Hills is coolGRANPA::RFAGLEYloose cannonTue Nov 27 1990 13:475
    I'm not from that area either, but if you get a chance, go play Singing
    Hills.  I played Torrey Pines also, but didn't like it as well.  Be
    sure to call and reserve tee times in advance.
    
    Rick
71.9SCAACT::BEAZLEYWed Mar 27 1991 16:3916
    Tom,
    
    Just north of Monterey there is a town named Pacific Grove(?). I too
    was a bit put off by the rates at Pebble Beach and Spyglass, so I ended
    up playing the municipal course at Pacific Grove. It was a very nice
    course, excellent for a municipal course. It had a lot of terrain
    changes, sandy seaside holes, and lots of shore breezes, no, actually
    high winds! The seaside holes had sandy fairways with ocassional ice
    plant clumps. I soon learned these were enormous energy absorption
    cushions! You could swing as hard as you wished into one of these and
    very little, if any punch would get to the ball!
    
    There are several other courses furthur south, below the Hearst
    Castle area(I can't remember the name of the towns right now).
    
    Bob