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2767.0. "Kurzweil K2000" by RGB::ROST (All American Alien Boy) Mon Nov 11 1991 12:49

    Here's a post from USENET about the Kurzweil K2000, definitely the most
    incredible new synth in the world, at least for this week  8^)  8^)
    Who will be first to post patches for it to MIDILIB?  8^)  8^)  8^)
    
    							Brian
    
From: [email protected] (N is for Neville who died of ennui)
Subject: Re: Kurzweil K2000 synth demo - MIT Media Lab Wed Nov 6th 12: 00
Date: 6 Nov 91 23:56:32 GMT
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] 
    (Daniel P W Ellis) writes:
> The K2000 is a 61 note portable keyboard. The sound production
> technology is a combination of sampling and digital signal processing.
> It can play 24 channels of 16 bit sound at a maximum sampling rate
> of 96 kHz. The K2000 comes with 4 megasamples of ROM sounds, and can
> accept up to 32 megasamples of RAM (user installed SIMMs).
> Samples can be loaded from a high density floppy, or from internal
> or external SCSI hard disks, or sampled directly from analog or digital
> (AES/EBU) inputs. Stereo sampling/playback is supported.
> 
> Each channel can have a different signal processing algorithm
> applied to it, including dynamic resonant filters (up to four poles),
> tone controls, and waveshapers.  The K2000 also contains a
> reverberation/chorusing unit, and supports continuous stereo
> panning and separate outputs.
> 
> ...it sounds pretty awesome, too.
 
I was at the demo and beleive me it sounded rather impressive. Suffice it to 
say that you can get any sound you possibly could imagine. Some points that
are not clear or included in the above blur are:
 
- It will be available in December (January in quantity)
 
- It suggested retail is $2995
 
- Sampling is an option and will not be available until spring '92
 
- It will be available in rack form
 
Now if I could only get one on a NuBus card for my Mac IIx, my life would
be made.
 
--
David C. Spiegelman           * For information * "A long memory is the most
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2767.1It's In The StoresRGB::ROSTA distortion of the need to feedWed Feb 05 1992 09:4268
    More from USENET.
    
    
From: [email protected]
Date: 3 Feb 92 01:05:05 GMT
 
Someone asked a week or so ago if the K2000 was still vaporware.  Well,
kind of...
 
Pianos 'n Stuff in Pittsburgh has had a demo unit in the store for the past
couple of weeks, but they haven't yet received units to sell to customers
(or if they have, they have gone to people who got orders in a long time
ago).  I think that it will be some weeks, at least, before dealers have
enough units to clear their backlog of orders.
 
The marked price at P 'n S was $2400, and I doubt that price wars are going
to break out until the initial demand is sated.  New samples can be dumped
into the machines via SysEx or read off the built-in floppy drive; the
board that allows sampling from analog or digital sound sources is not
ready yet, and the expectation is that it will cost about $500 when it
arrives.  So far, I have heard no credible rumors of a rackmount version of
the K2000.  Foo!
 
The store was very noisy while I was in there, so it was hard for me to get
a good fix on tha machine's sound quality.  Headphones were no help.
Kurzweil made the all-too-common mistake of not putting enough power into
the headphone jack to drive typical music-store open-ear headphones at
levels that can compete with the in-store guitarists and drummer on a
Saturday afternoon.  But the sound I heard during the rare quiet intervals
hinted at impressive capabilities.  The filters are digital (two pole, four
pole, parameteric, and several other options, depending on the "algorithm"
in use), but on some patches they sounded very smooth and fat, even when
formants are being moved around in real time.  The machine can also do very
nice "ambient" sounds and high-frequency details.  So the possibilities are
there.  On the other hand, a lot of the factory sounds I listened to
sounded like K1000 sounds with a thick, gooey layer of effects ladled over
the top.
 
The user interface is based on decent-sized LCD display, and it was quite
easy to tweak the sounds in interesting ways (changing the filter type,
effects, and modulation routings) without ever having looked in the manual.
Of course, there could be lots of little problems that would drive you
crazy after a few days of trying to do real work, but superficially, at
lest, the interface seems to be very well designed.  I didn't have time to
play with the sequencer.
 
Physically, the thing looks a bit like a toy.  The case is small,
matte-finish black plastic, with cute rounded corners, but it is light and
seems to be quite solid.  The five-octave synth-feel keyboard was OK, but a
bit soft for my taste and the aftertouch (channel only) seems to kick in
rather abruptly.  For a machine with so many controllable parameters, it
was disappointing that there are only the usual two wheels, plus volume and
data-entry sliders (both of which, I think, can be mapped to MIDI
controllers).  Oh, and a big (not red) knob for scrolling through paramter
settings and voices.
 
Thumbing through the manual, the amount of "distancing" power on the
machine seems enormous.  Add that to a big sample memory and the add new
samples easily, and I think you've got enough possibilities to last a good
long time.
 
-- Scott
 
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Scott E. Fahlman
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
Internet: [email protected]
2767.2.NOT. getting excited DYPSS1::SCHAFERName something that floats.Wed Feb 05 1992 16:463
    I wonder if they exhibit note-lag like previous Kurzweil models.
    
+b
2767.3wow ! a new term !SALSA::MOELLERThree-day Weekends. Pass it on.Thu Feb 06 1992 12:0313
    Man, have I gotten jaded.  A machine that would have had me drooling on
    my shirt just a few years ago gets a ho-hum.  Light action, short
    keyboard ?  No rack version ?  I also got an E-Mu Systems' flyer on 
    their new MPS, essentially a controller keyboard with a Proteus inside.. 
    zzzzzzzz...
    
    re .1:
>Thumbing through the manual, the amount of "distancing" power on the
>machine seems enormous.  
    
    Uh, WTF 'distancing' is ?
    
    karl
2767.4MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326Thu Feb 06 1992 15:396
    I think he means distancing as in ability to distance oneself from the
    preset sounds.  Supposedly the K2000 gives you more capability for
    different kinds of synthesis than previously available.  That is, you
    get lots of ways to diddle with the sound.
    
    Steve