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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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2527.0. "TR-505 to R5 Conversion?" by FSTVAX::GALLO (We *must* have tone!) Mon Dec 17 1990 16:01

    
    
    
    	My friend and I collaborate on original music. I have a TR-505 drum
    machine and he has an R5 drum machine.
    
    	Here's the question:
    
    	Is there any easy way to transfer drum patterns and tracks
    that I've written on the '505 to the R5? We don't have access 
    to a computer to do any kind of MIDI 'dump'.
    
    	I'm hoping that there is a way for me to direct connect
    the MIDI ports on the '505 and R5.
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    -Tom
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2527.1WEFXEM::COTECan't touch this...Mon Dec 17 1990 16:1723
    Patterns *should* be pretty easy to x-fer.
    
    Set the "source" machine to master, and the "destination" machine to
    "slave" or "MIDI sync" or "external sync".
    
    Clear a pattern in the destination machine large enough to hold the
    incoming pattern.
    
    Connect MIDI out on the source to MIDI in on the destination.
    
    Press "record" on the destination, and without releasing it, press
    "play" on the source. Both machines should start.
    
    The problem you may have is with the note assignments. You'll have to
    make sure that whatever note# triggers the snare on one machine also
    triggers the snare on the second, or you'll end up with something like
    a cabasa on the back-beat, and an 8th note mid-tom where the hi-hat
    was.
    
    It will probably be a long process, as the internal formats are
    probably different, precluding a nice, easy sysex dump.
    
    Edd
2527.2Shouldn't Be Too Hard Between Roland BoxesAQUA::ROSTYour friendly neighborhood sadistMon Dec 17 1990 16:2418
    Re: .1
    
    To speed things up, use the fastest tempo setting you can to do the
    transfer.
    
    Roland has pretty standard note settings across machines.  Check the
    charts in the manuals.  Reinit the 505 if you want to be sure the note
    settings are correct.
    
    Some things may sound weird, the 505 has a nasty "feature" where it sends
    note-offs almost immediately after note-ons.  Some devices will
    actually cut off the sounds early  because of this, in fact the MT-32
    which is a Roland device does this. 
    
    BTW, there is no way to dump 505 patterns over MIDI since it has no
    sys-ex support.
    
    							Brian
2527.3WEFXEM::COTECan't touch this...Mon Dec 17 1990 16:377
    > use the fastest setting you can....
    
    I've found that when transferring sequences from HR to MC at a nominal
    120 BPM, they regularly lose a CPT or 2. This month's Keyboard also
    has a blurb about this, saying in effect, slower is better...
    
    Edd
2527.4FSTVAX::GALLOWe *must* have tone!Tue Dec 18 1990 08:528
    
    
    re: last 2 
    
    	Thanks, I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. 
    
    -T
2527.5Oh Boy, A New Buzzword!AQUA::ROSTYour friendly neighborhood sadistTue Dec 18 1990 09:218
    Re: .3
    
    What's a CPT?  Is this for sequencers in general or just Alesis?  8^)
    
    I've done the max rate thing a number of times and never had problems,
    besides it saves *lots* of time....oh well, mebbe I'm just lucky.
    
    							Brian
2527.6WEFXEM::COTECan't touch this...Tue Dec 18 1990 09:287
    CPT = Clock Pulse Tick, 1/96th of a quarter note in Rolandese.
    Sometimes 1 CPT is just enough to move the "groove". 
    
    If your sequencer does quantization on input (like the HR-16) then 
    it's prolly not a problem...
    
    Edd