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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
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2444.0. "Isn't There One Keyboard???" by WMOIS::RAY () Tue Sep 11 1990 16:08

    Being a bass player I've discovered that most of the real
    nice funky bass sounds are coming from keyboards, I'm in
    the market for a good keyboard but want one with the "sounds",
    if you get my point.  I've been told to buy a sampler and
    sample some mini-moog sounds as well as any sound I would need,
    what I want to know is, is there a specific keyboard that is
    considered to be "the" keyboard for bass amongst keyboard
    players.  I've tried the Midi-boxes, and I've heard some nice
    sounds on different keyboards, but is there one specific that
    has them all.  I'm currently using a Roland Juno 1 and I've
    modified a lot of the sounds, but in most cases they still sound
    cheap, lets face it on the Juno you can only do so much......                                                       
    
                                        
                             Any suggestions.....................
    
    If sampling seems to be the way to go, any suggestions there would
    be helpful as well.
    
                                              Thanks..
    
    
                                                 Howard
    
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2444.1KEYS::MOELLERDon't like my noting ? Call 1-(800)EATWITHELVISTue Sep 11 1990 17:1913
    the classic synth bass sound comes from a Moog, as you heard.  As those
    are very hard to find, then, as you heard, using a sampler to play back
    some of the classic sounds is the only other way to go.  However, one
    of the elements that made the Moog sound so rich was the excellent
    analog filter envelopes - gave the sound its 'sweep'.  And many
    samplers have crummy filter envelope generators If they have one at
    all) - so you'll get a static, boring replica.  However, E-mu's EMAX
    I&II samplers have fully programmable analog filter envelopes with 
    good quality.
    
    Any others out there ?
    
    karl
2444.2Shame about the ManualBAHTAT::KENTpeekayWed Sep 12 1990 04:0312
    
    
    The W30 has Filters and also inbuilt Bass sounds including analogue
    moog and other soundalikes. These can be filtered and swept to suit
    your taste and requirements.
    
    Thus with the ability to sample on top of this
    and of course the drum-kit and sequencer you could have quite a bit of
    fun. I certainly do...
    
    				Paul.
    
2444.3Other OptionsDRUMS::FEHSKENSlen, EMA, LKG2-2/W10, DTN 226-7556Wed Sep 12 1990 15:1515
    You might also consider a 360 Systems ProMIDIbass, which you should be
    able to pick up used for a coupla-hundred-bux.  This is a sample based
    unit designed specifically for bass use.  Unfortunately the samples are
    in rom chips, which you buy and plug in.
    
    Another option for that fat analog bass sound is an Oberheim
    Matrix-1000.  You can get a new one for about the price of a used
    J-106 (which can be made to sound quite nice, by the way, if you're
    willing to accept a limited range of usable note numbers), but it's
    rack mount and requires external software to program.  But you get
    1000 (yes, one thousand) onboard patches, including minimoog clones
    among the hundred or so bass patches.
    
    len.
    
2444.4What about the Casio VZ10M?COGVAX::LABAKFri Sep 21 1990 10:575
     Does anyone no if the Casio VZ10M sound module could be used
    for bass sounds?  Since their on sale for $240.00, I wonder how it
    would compare to the Matrix 1000.   Better bang for the buck?
    Suggestions please.
    Rick L. 
2444.5$15 a voice is cheapAQUA::ROSTShe moves me, manFri Sep 21 1990 11:597
    
    The VZ10 sounds more like an FM synth than an analog synth.  At the
    closeout price, it's an ideal first synth.
    
    Beware lack of future support, tho...
    
    						Brian
2444.6GLOWS::COCCOLIboycott Sinead O'ConnorFri Sep 21 1990 18:0218
    
    
    re .4
    
      The Matrix1000 is capable of only one sound at a time. The VZ-10
    can do eight. 
      The basses on the VZ, in my opinion, lack a certain punch/gusto
    that the Oberheim is capable of. 
      Actually. the VZ doesn't really *sound* much better than a CZ,
    imho.
    
    
    
    
    
    Rich