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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2324.0. "Macintosh Notation programs" by HPSRAD::SAWIN (Jim Sawin, DTN 297-4933) Thu Apr 19 1990 11:26

Is anyone familiar with the notation software for the Macintosh?  I know of a
few products, such as Encore from Passport, and Finale and Music Prose from
Coda.

One demo product that I tried (I think it was called Notator II or Notewriter
II), looked like a PC port to the Mac, and couldn't import standard MIDI
files.  Yuck.

Next, I tried the Music Prose demo, and discovered a few things.  First, the
screen refresh is pretty slow.  Second, when I tried to import a standard
MIDI file that I created with Master Tracks PRO4, I got garbage characters
where the musical symbols should have been.  On the plus side, I was able to
enter and edit notes and other musical symbols with the mouse, as well as
through 'live' MIDI, although Master Tracks is understandably much better at
this.

Does anyone else have experience with notation programs that they could
share, or could anyone explain why I got the garbage when I tried to import a
MIDI file to Music Prose?

Jim
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2324.1Finale, if you can afford it...MANFUL::ROBERTTom rOss Robert - The DeLorean Kid!Mon Apr 23 1990 18:5329
  I am using an old version of Professional Composer by Mark of the Unicorn.
  It is s..l..o..w.  And it has a hard time interpreting certain phrases,
  triplet formations and such, the right way.  (i.e. I sometimes get strings
  of tied 64th notes!)  However, I had no problem reading in a MIDI file from
  Performer and getting a decent looking output.  (granted, Perfromer is from
  the same company, you would hope such)

  Supposedly, the latest version is much better at interpreting, is faster and
  has other bug fixes.  I believe you can get it for about $400.  But to tell
  you the truth, I've never read any reviews on it that taunts it over any of
  the others.  Although I think Performer is one of the best Mac based
  sequencing packages, I wouldn't whole-heartedly recomment Composer.


  Another DEC employee I know has recently obtained Finale and taunts that as
  being the grand daddy of all scoring packages.  It is powerful, "smart" and
  has a lot of functionality/features.  For instance, it has a mode where you
  can play notes on the keyboard and they appear in real-time on the score as
  you play.  We're using it for a project we're doing called the Performing
  Desktop.  It's a demo that shows off our PC integration messages and makes
  use of MIDI, sequencers on both PC and Mac, and the scoring package.
  I should actually post on a note on the demo itself.  Anyways, the drawback
  to this package would be $$, I believe it goes for more like $700-$800, but
  from what I hear, it's worth it.

  MHO.

-Tom
2324.2Finale/Music ProseHPSRAD::SAWINJim Sawin, DTN 297-4933Tue Apr 24 1990 09:1213
I've heard a lot about Finale, but the price deterred me.  (I'm not THAT
serious about notation software - I just figured it would nice to transcribe
sequences so that I can come back to them after a while and perform them
again)  I also read that if you have a Mac Plus (like I do), don't bother
trying to run it because it will be painfully slow.

Music Prose is supposed to be a toned-down version of Finale (fewer features,
more attractive price).  Since I already have MTP for sequencing, I figured
it would be OK as long as Music Prose had the notation features I was
interested in, and was able to import standard MIDI files.  It's still pretty
slow on a Mac Plus, though.

Jim
2324.3they had a price reductionNORGE::CHADIch glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tteTue Apr 24 1990 10:264
Finale originally listed for $1000 but I do believe that it is now $500-$600
list.

Chad
2324.4Finale latest price (& commentary)NWD002::EVANS_BRTue Apr 24 1990 15:3425
    FWIW I have Finale, and won't use anything else. I keep finding
    neat and new ways to notate songs -- in fact, one of my friends
    has MTPv4 and exported a standard MIDI file and I jammed it into
    Finale. It works, but the tricky part is determining the float
    quantization. I finally just tried all three choices, and used the
    one that looked best to me. (actually, the default was the best
    so far "Non-Timed Tuplet")
    
    One interesting thing, is that Finale lets me now keep the MIDI
    performance info-- so even if the notation is not prefectly correct
    (and it usually is not), the sounds you hear *are*.
    
    Computerware (in Palo Alto, CA) lists Finale for $649 (800) 326-0092
    [m-f, 7-6 pst]. Another source is Computers and Music (in San
    Francisco) (415) 994-2909.
    
    I'm thinking of using Finale to notate songs, and would not mind
    experimenting with taking sequenced tunes and using Finale to notate
    them, but the user should be advised that the output of notation is
    *hardcopy* (I know, I know.... ugly word in netland....:-), and so I do
    not know how to get the notated stuff back to the creator
    (FAX/scanners????). Oh well, it's an idea!! Send me mail if you
    want to play around.....
    
    ciao   Bruce Evans 
2324.5Better price and how to get softcopy output.TALLIS::HERDEGMark Herdeg, LTN1-2/H09 226-6520Tue May 01 1990 14:0211
MacConnection (1-800-334-4444) lists Finale 2.0 for $559 and MusicProse 1.0 for
$169.

You can capture the printed output from Finale (as with any Mac program) as
Postscript in a file by holding down Command-F right after clicking OK in the
LaserWriter print dialog box.  The resulting file can then be printed on any
Postscript printer when prefixed with the appropriate Apple LaserPrep file.
More details on how to do this are available in the RAINBO::MACINTOSH and/or
RT95::MACONLINE conferences.

-Mark