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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

2297.0. "Help with equipment setup" by GLDOA::AGBEBIYI () Fri Mar 23 1990 16:21

    I am the proud owner of a Roland D-20. I've had this unit for a year
    now. Recently, I purchased a Yamaha MT100 4-track recorder so I can
    have the capability of recording vocals. In addition, I bought the
    Alesis Quadraverb for effects. I guess because I am new at this, I
    failed to be circumspect in my decisions because suddenly, I have the
    following problem.
    
    Problem:
    
    The Quadraverb and D-20 have stereo outs but the MT100 has a mono
    effect return.
    
    Question: Does this mean that I have wasted my money on the Quadraverb
    or how can I effect my recordings in stereo.
    
    Question: Should I just do all my mixing in the D-20 and use it's
    built-in effects (i.e. sell the Quadraverb)?
    
    Question: What if I want to add a different effect to one or two
    instruments in the recording?
    
    Question: How do I get the best recording possible with the set-up I
    have?
    
    All suggestions are welcome on this topic because I am totally new in
    this field but I have been learning from some of the notes posted in
    this conference.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Winston_who_is_so_confused!	
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2297.1SALSA::MOELLEROh JOY! LMF on ULTRIX !Mon Mar 26 1990 18:2555
    Hi, Winston.  Diving into multitrack CAN be confusing.  This is the
    right place.  First, I don't think you made an error buying the
    Quadraverb.  Perhaps going thru your questions will help :
    
>    The Quadraverb and D-20 have stereo outs but the MT100 has a mono
>    effect return. 
>    Question: Does this mean that I have wasted my money on the Quadraverb
>    or how can I effect my recordings in stereo.
    
    There's a bunch of issues here.  I take that the D20 has its own
    effects - probably not as high quality as the Qverb.  One is that you
    still can use the Qverb for your vocal (or indeed the entire mix) during 
    mixdown to STEREO cassette.  You aren't necessarily constrained to use
    the effects loop in the 4track.  Also, you can use the Qverb in stereo 
    while recording into the 4track :
    
    d20 Left output > Qverb Left IN.  Left Out > --- Ch 1 on 4trk
    d20 Right out   > Qverb Right In. Rt.  Out > --- Ch 2 on 4trk
                                                 --- Ch 3 on 4trk
                                                 --- Ch 4 on 4trk
    
>    Question: Should I just do all my mixing in the D-20 and use it's
>    built-in effects (i.e. sell the Quadraverb)?
    
    Tempting, but again that does nothing for your vocal and acoustic
    tracks.
    
>    Question: What if I want to add a different effect to one or two
>    instruments in the recording?
    
    Then you have to isolate that instrument and record the effect with the
    instrument as it's going to 4-track.  This obviously eats tracks in a
    hurry.
    
>    Question: How do I get the best recording possible with the set-up I
>    have?
    
    A few obvious ones - use virgin Hi-Bias tape, the tape that your
    machine is biassed for.  Watch your AC grounding.  Use only undamaged
    patch cords.  If it's a dual-speed 4 track, record at the higher speed.
    Watch hum and hiss-generating sources especially when using
    microphones.  Keep your D20's output volume high, and cut back on the
    input fader on the 4track (this maximizes the D20's signal to noise
    ratio).
    
    For a guide to basic 4tracking, plus adding effects to stereo mixdowns,
    please refer to my (ancient) topic #282 in this conference, "Low-Tech
    Productions".
    
    best of luck, and welcome to COMMUSIC.
    
    karl in Tucson
    
    p.s. for a quick overview of some noter's music, check out the current
    COMMUSIC compilation tape topics (COMMUSIC VII).
2297.2Wet signal: stereo not preservedNRADM::KARLIt's computerized, no thing c,an go wrong nothing c an gMon Mar 26 1990 21:4312
    RE: QuadraVerb - an excellent choice! Theres one thing about most
    effects units, including the QV that isn't obvious - and that is that
    the part of the input that gets processed with the effects, gets
    treated as if it were a mono input signal. In other words the part that
    goes out wet goes out as if it came in mono. Only the dry portion of
    the signal gets preserved as stereo. If you ever went directly into the
    effects unit, as opposed to using effects sends on a mixer, you would
    have to adjust the ratio of wet to dry to your liking.
    
    Good luck!
    
    Bill