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>< Note 2168.0 by XERO::ARNOLD "Always look on the bright side of..." >

This Emerson Christmas album is not new. It was also offered last year at 
the same time, and maybe even the year before. 

Mike D

It was new last year.  I like it.

	Eirikur

>>> It was new last year.  I like it.
    
    This is what I get for subscribing to Guitar Player and not Keyboard. 
    (Just trying to sell them off by advertising more broadly, I guess.) 
    And here I was thinking I had just about every Emerson recording... I
    hang my head in shame.
    
    - John -

    
    	Emerson who?
    
   	This isnt 'new' news either, but a reminder that Keith did
    	the soundtrack to NightHawks (a movie).  
    
    	I suppose it's also a question: Did anyone ever see/hear
    	this? whats it about? Hows it sound...etc.
    
    	ron
    

    
    re: Nighthawks
    
    	I've got the soundtrack and Its ok.
    	I also have a bootleg I bought at tower
    	(the name escapes me). But its emerson
    	playing honkytonk and reggae on some
    	west indian label..lots of glasses
    	clanking and drunks in the backround.
    
    

    i wonder what he is doing now?
    
    He is still my favorite rock keyboardist, even though he stole his
    riffs from Mccoy Tyner,Copland and Larry Jones (i think) from the group
    Lifetime. 
    
    Last time i saw him was on the David Letterman show doing America
    from west side story.
    
    jay

            <<< Note 2168.7 by ACESMK::KUHN "charlie don't surf" >>>
>    He is still my favorite rock keyboardist, even though he stole his
>    riffs from Mccoy Tyner,Copland and Larry Jones (i think) from the group
>    Lifetime. 
    
    Khalid YaSin (formerly Larry Young) died in the late '70's.  By the
    time he got exposure in Tony William's Lifetime, Emerson was already a
    major star - with an already established style.. IMHO.
    
    karl

    re: last
    thats too bad. i enjoyed his work with lifetime. do you know if
    he had any albums out that are obtainable now? 
    
    Larry and Keith sound alike to me. it might be the way their hammonds
    were set up. 
    
    I love the first cut on Trilogy. i've got music transcribed by Emerson
    to that...wish i could play it like he does!
    
    jay

    Someone is trying to start up a Keith Emerson fanzine.
    
    It's mentioned in the news section of the Laurie Anderson issue
    of Keyboard magazine.
    
    Sounds like its something that someone's doing with their home
    computers "desktop publishing" software, but it could be interesting.
    
    First issue was $2, which I was willing to gamble for.
    
    To say that I am a big Emerson fan is an understatement.  If it
    weren't for his ability to expose the artistry one can apply to 
    rock to classical devotees, I'd almost certainly still be a classical
    pianist with a very low opinion of rock.
    
    Yes, I was a "classical snob" - the truth finally comes out.
    
    Emerson was the guy who singlehandedly broke through to me.  At
    the time, I just didn't see much artism in rock music.  In fact,
    even after I got interested in him, he did at the time, impress
    me as being an "enigma" in the rock-n-roll genre.  No one seemed
    a tenth as ambitious as Emerson at the time.
    
    Another major contribution is the converse: his ability to expose
    the value of classical music to rock-n-rollers by taking classical
    themes and putting them in a contemporary context.
    
    	db

            <<< Note 2168.10 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Conliberative" >>>
>    Another major contribution is the converse: his ability to expose
>    the value of classical music to rock-n-rollers by taking classical
>    themes and putting them in a contemporary context.
>    	db
    
    .. you mean like, "Pictures at an Exhibition" ?  Barf-o-rama.  I'd
    rather listen to the Tomita version.
    
    Don't get me wrong, he vass big influenza on me.  I LOVED the first
    album and "Tarkus".  I even go back to EmerListDavJack days with The
    Nice... but "Pictures" was over the top.  
    
    To each his own.  IMHO.  FWIW.
    
    karl

    
    re: .-1
    
    What about his "Nice" days? The rendition of the "intermezzo from the
    Karelia Suite" by Sibelius? Or his classical influence ("The Endless
    Enigma"?
    
    I did like his earlier stuff more though. I hated everything after
    "Works". "Pirates" was the last thing I liked.
    
    /pjh

    
    I've been a Keith freak since 9th grade.
    My first rock concert was seeing ELP at princeton (I was in 9th
    grade). His energy and wild mix of "American Classical", Classical,
    Jazz, and Rock really is impressive. He sounds burned out now,
    but his "Brain Salad Surgery" and earlier albums are the most
    worn out in my record collection.
    
    Yea Yea Yea Tomita sounds neat, and he uses lush clean sounding
    synthesizers, but I doubt many people could do live what
    Emerson did in the early seventies with a rack of moog modules
    without computer assistance....I believe there were no such things
    as factory presets or sequencers as we know them.   This is why
    Emerson really has impressed me. His energy.
    
    

    
    re: .-1 "no such thing as presets"
    
    Damn tootin'! He did have a crew to help him though, since the
    Moog monster of his was extremely temperamental. I played a Moog 12
    back in 1974 or so (smaller version of his highly customized rackful)
    and it drifted in the studio! He used to have about 12-14 keyboards
    on stage at a time. What an era. Now we have 1 with rackmounts.
    
    Although I have matured somewhat (I hope) since then, I still admire
    what Emerson and Wakeman did for my development as a keyboard player.
    We all need something to aspire to, don't we? Okay, so I didn't end up
    as a rock star, but I did work on my chops a heckuva lot more because I
    wanted to sound like Keith. I have a chart that I wrote out of his
    version of "America" from Ars Longa Vita Brevis that I practiced like
    crazy (at age 13)... I probably wouldn't have been so hot on synthesis
    at such an early age if it hadn't been for the likes of Keith Emerson,
    Rick Wakeman, Paul Beaver and Bernard Krause (what? you never heard of
    them? old West Coast Moogies...) So at least I know who to blame for
    my MIDI addiction, eh? ;^)
    
    /pjh

    > you mean like, "Pictures at an Exhibition" ?  Barf-o-rama.  I'd
    > rather listen to the Tomita version.
    
    Minor but significant point: Classicists may not have like all his
    interpretations of classical music, but the point I was making was
    that many non-classicists were INTRODUCED to the classics by those
    interpretations.
    
    So with respect to the point I was making, that you (whom I presume
    to have had an appreciation for the classic prior to Emerson) didn't
    care for Emerson's version isn't significant.  What's significant was
    that so many rock-n-rollers who had never heard of Mussourgsky,
    Copeland, Bartok, Ginastera, Janacek, etc. gained an appreciation
    of that music through Emersons interpretations.
    
    In effect, Emerson exposed them to the passion and grace of that music
    by adapting to a format they could relate to.
    
    Anyway, it's sorta hard to compare Emerson's to Tomita's.  Keep
    in mind that Emersons were done live back in the early days when
    "Synthesizer" meant an enormous monophonic monster that broke down 
    nightly, went out of tune constantly, and "patch change" meant
    pulling cords in and out of a imposing tangle of wires.
    
    Tomita had quite a few advantages.
    
    	db
    
    p,s. Back in the old days I studied "Pictures" and I can tell you that
         much of it sounds much easier than it is to play.  Particular
         the matriarchal  horn part in "Kiev".

    From USENET:
    
From: [email protected] (Steve Mason)
Subject: Doctoral Thesis Published about Keith Emerson's Music
Date: 31 Jul 90 19:59:04 GMT
 
In 1988, Blair Pethel of the Peabody Conservatory of Music (which is associated
with Johns Hopkins), wrote a 121 page thesis for his DMA (Doctorate in Musical
Arts ??).  The title of this thesis is, "Keith Emerson: The Emergence and
Growth of Style:  A Study of Selected Works."
 
This is available on ILL (inter-library loan).  The call number is
MT4.B2P42 1988.P4.
 
The thesis itself is available in microfilm, softcover, or hardcover from
University Microfilms International, (800) 521-0600.  They take credit cards.
The softcover price is approx $52, the hardcover $61.  Priority mail shipping
is only $4.  I ordered the hardcover; shipping time is about 3-4 weeks ARO.
 
Disclaimer: I have no association, directly or indirectly, with either Dr.
Pethel or with University Microfilms, nor do I have any knowledge of the
contents of the thesis except that it is supposedly highly technical.  
 
If you live in the Maryland area, the Peabody Conservatory is at 21 East Mt.
Vernon Place, Baltimore, MD 21202.  Their library currently has two copies, but
they are not for sale.
 
 
-- Steve Mason

    Interesting.  Is this right?  In general, you can't get a doctor's degree 
    for what you do, but you can if you write a thesis about it.  ;) 
    Anybody want to write a thesis about my stuff?
    
    Steve

    I'd love to read it but no way can I afford that on my own.  Any folks
    wanna go in together on a copy (and pass it around once we get it)???

    >>> I'd love to read it but no way can I afford that on my own.  Any
    >>> folks wanna go in together on a copy (and pass it around once we
    >>> get it)???
    
    Dave (and others):
    
    	My brother is a librarian and assistant dean at a small college. 
    He is also a big Keith fan.  I'm going to pass this info to him and see
    if he knows how to get it either through inter-library loan or any sort
    of educational discount for his library.  If I can get access to it,
    I'll post it here so we can share what must be a most unusual
    dissertation.
    
    	By the way, the old "ELP Pictures at an Exhibition" film that has
    been available on videotape is now available on LaserDisc with digital
    sound if you look really hard for it... and then, you'll want to see
    the pictures I took at the Montreal concert "with orchestra"...  gee,
    does this count as my vote for Keith in whatever that "favorite
    synthist" note is.
    
    Sorry... too much booth duty has made me a bit light-headed... We now
    resume normal programming...
    
    - John -

    John,
    
    I have a copy of the "Pictures at an Exhibition" videotape.
    
    The cover box lists 4 tunes, "The Barbarian", "Take a Pebble",
    "Pictures" and "Knife Edge". 
    
    However my tape only has "Pictures".  At the end of "Pictures" theres
    about 30 minutes of some dopey cartoon.  I rented another copy of it
    and it had the same problem.
    
    Does the laser disk have the other tunes?  Does it "advertise" the
    other tunes.
    
    	db

    >>> I have a copy of the "Pictures at an Exhibition" videotape.
    >>> The cover box lists 4 tunes, "The Barbarian", "Take a Pebble",
    >>> "Pictures" and "Knife Edge". <etc.>
    
    Dave:
    
    	I have the ELP "Pictures at an Exhibition" videotape and the
    laserdisc.  Both are exactly as you describe except that the cartoon at
    the end isn't included.  That is, the ONLY thing on the tape/disc is
    Pictures at an Exhibition.  Thus, it's about 30-45 minutes long. 
    Neither the tape nor the disc promise more.
    
    	I have, however, actually seen the extra songs.  Back in ELP's days
    of popularity (though not with the critics, of course), I saw the
    full-length movie from which the tape/disc is excerpted at a theater in
    Boston.  That version was a complete concert film of early ELP.  The
    "extra songs" were really interesting to watch.  I wish they were
    available and will certainly let people here know if I ever find them.
    
    	Another item I'd be interested in (thoguh I doubt it's available
    anywhere) is an alleged public television special on classical
    influences on rock music in the late 60s that allegedly included some
    footage of The Nice (Keith's pre-ELP band for you youngsters out
    there).  I saw this tv show mentioned once in a Rolling Stone-excerpt
    paperback.  I doubt it's on kinescope, videotape, or other media but I
    can dream, can't I?
    
    - John -

    A long time ago, I remember seeing an ELP film called "Rock and Roll
    Your Eyes Out" (let's give ELP the benefit of the doubt and presume
    that title was some record company exec's idea).
    
    Is that the film you're referring to?  I think it was actually a
    different concert.  I'm just about certain that videotape was the
    original medium that this "Pictures" videotape was photographed
    with.  (Videotape has a very different look than film tranferred
    onto videotape.)
    
    The full-length movie would have been shot on film I'd think.
    
    Thanks for the response,
    
    	db

    >>> A long time ago, I remember seeing an ELP film called "Rock and Roll
    >>> Your Eyes Out" 
    
    I'd heard mention of a film in the 70s called "Rock and Roll Your Eyes"
    but didn't know ANYONE had ever seen it.  (Obviously, I heard the title
    a bit wrong.)
    
    >>> Is that the film you're referring to?  
    
    	I don't think so.  I can't recall the exact name of the ELP concert
    movie when I saw it but it was soemthing simple like "Emerson, Lake &
    Palmer In Concert" or some other forgettable title.
    
    >>> I'm just about certain that videotape was the original medium that
    >>> this "Pictures" videotape was photographed with.  (Videotape has a
    >>> very different look than film tranferred onto videotape.)  The
    >>> full-length movie would have been shot on film I'd think.
    
    	Well it's always possible that the video tape was transferred to
    film.   Also, I remember seeing the exact same "silly" parts (the video
    montage with the comic book characters and psychedelic color effects)
    in the film as are on the videotape we're talking about.  I should also
    add that I saw the film before home VCRs were a commodity.  So, if the
    concert were shot on videotape, I would guess that it were filmed for
    TV or other outlet since video rental stores didn't exist yet.
    
    - John -

I posted this to the Internet's rec.music.synth newsgroup this morning...

"Welcome Back My Friends to the Show that Never Ends...

    After some experimentation over the summer, I am ready to announce the
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    The list will be unmoderated though I ask your discretion in sending
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