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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

2156.0. "Equipment for Pro Rock work" by VIKING::JANZEN (cf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVES) Tue Nov 07 1989 14:59

    I would like to become a professional rock musician.  What computer
    music products should I buy?
    Tom
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2156.1HAMER::COCCOLISmart PatrolTue Nov 07 1989 15:023
    
    
      Why...all of them, of course.
2156.2WEFXEM::COTEOK, who wants a Tangwich??Tue Nov 07 1989 15:106
    While .1 is quite correct, don't be intimidated. You don't really
    have to know how to use them, just owning them is the goal.
    
    Make sure you save enough $ for mousse. That's VERY important...
    
    Edd
2156.3SALSA::MOELLERFun with FrangiblesTue Nov 07 1989 16:324
    Just save your money and read each and every reply in this conference,
    and you'll be MIDIed before you can say, "Boulez is a Fascist."
    
    karl
2156.4:)KOBAL::DICKSONTue Nov 07 1989 17:0617
    Judging by the ads in "Guitar Player" magazine, the thing that all such
    people have in common is that they wear shiny leatheroid clothing with
    shirts open to the navel, have long unkempt blond hair, and stand
    around with their feet about a yard apart.
    
    I think if you concentrate on the look you will be successful.  At live
    concerts just play Boulez records through fuzz-boxes at painfully loud
    levels.  Above all the screaming nobody will know the difference.
    
    You can carry a guitar-shaped thing if you want, but it is not
    necessary to actually plug it in.
    
    All your albums will be recorded by studio musicians anyway, so no need
    to worry about that.
    
    Remember this is the *entertainment* business, not the *music*
    business.
2156.5HAMER::COCCOLISmart PatrolWed Nov 08 1989 10:316
    
      By the way, I thought the originator of this topic dislikes rock
    music. Why the change of heart?.      *^}
    
    					Rich
    
2156.6$ SET TONGUE/IN="cheek", no doubt.DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - boycott hell.Wed Nov 08 1989 11:220
2156.7MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326Wed Nov 08 1989 11:3011
Hey, Tom, if you *really* want to be a pro, you need to superglue your hair 
and dye it blue.  And, make sure each hit you write uses the same chord
structures for the verses and the chorus, has a back beat, is 4/4, 120 bpm,
and has no polysyllabic words.  Then, you'll be ready to buy computer equipment.
Get a drum machine that has lots of presets.  I must warn you, however that
you have already tarnished your chances.  First, you have musical talent.
Second, you feel comfortable with acoustic instruments.  Third, you already
know MIDI.  Fourth, your mind is still intact.  Face it, there's too much 
working against you to become a pro ... ;)

Steve
2156.8rock music only - maybe he's flippedSMURF::NEWHOUSEWed Nov 08 1989 12:366
    re: .4
    spandex is out?!?  leatheroid is in?!?  shoot.  back to the drawing
    board.  But anyway, .0 wanted instruments, not attire so I think maybe
    you should get an EPS.  This way you could sample the squeeks on your
    matching leather furniture, satisfying both looking good and sounding
    like the sugar cubes at the same time.
2156.9correct syntax: $ SET TONGUE /CHEEK=(IN)MILKWY::JANZENcf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVESWed Nov 08 1989 13:467
    Leatheroid is out; paint is in.
    How about automatic composition of rock songs?  Anybody want to write a
    functional specification for software that writes rock songs with
    minimum of creative input from human beings?
    
    oh, maybe that's been done.......
    Tom
2156.10can you point and grunt?KALLON::EIRIKURCDA Product ManagerWed Nov 08 1989 15:3813
>    functional specification for software that writes rock songs with
>    minimum of creative input from human beings?
>    
>    oh, maybe that's been done.......
>    Tom

More than once.  In my possesion,  I have CybComposer from the Kurzweil
Research Foundation.  It will do holiday inn jazz, too.  Pour la Mac.
I've got V 0.39 or somesuch.  

	Eirikur


2156.11Clips NotesKOBAL::DICKSONWed Nov 08 1989 16:0220
    I once toyed with the idea of an automatic composer for bluegrass
    arrangements, which are very formulaic.  I got the idea from a banjo
    backup instruction book that had a bunch of one-measure licks in
    categories like "vamp", "forward-roll", "reverse-roll", "fill-in" and
    so on, in various keys, along with templates for when to use them.
    Looked kind of like Clip-Art to me.
    
    The idea was to combine libraries of Clip-Music with some
    "expert-system" rules for combining them, plus the usual suite of
    transformation algorithms for key-changes, etc.  You pick a set of
    templates (or use random numbers), supply two melody lines (A-part and
    B-part), and it could work out the arrangement.
    
    Each instrument needs its own library of clips, plus rules about how to
    add ornamentation to a melody.  (A banjo replaces long notes with rolls
    while a mandolin uses tremolo, for instance.)
    
    You could even do this by hand with the appropriate music editor or
    sequencer program.  Famous players could sell clip-art of their most
    popular licks.  Cut and paste your way to the top of the charts.
2156.12Music Editors search/replace?MILKWY::JANZENcf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVESWed Nov 08 1989 16:344
    I think Dickson's idea is doable.
    On the editing side, does anyone see music editors with search/replace,
    merge (or include) in place, ?
    Tom
2156.13KCS/PVG TALK::HARRIMANSee Figure 1Thu Nov 09 1989 10:1116

	Dr. T's KCS has the Programmable Variations Generator. Amazing stuff, 
	I have just scratched the surface with it. You set certain arbitrary
	rules ("protections","restrictions") and it applies these rules to
	your stream of MIDI events (duration,timing, pitch, velocity). You can
	have it create chord changes based on your restrictions, or trills,
	or whatever. Like I said, I have it, I'm futzing with it, but the whole
	concept of letting a computer augment what I'm thinking for music is
	taking some open-mindedness and getting used to. I'm still doing some
	very simple concepts like allowing it to modify a string of C 4 ON 
	events to see what it does to them.

	Amazing what you can do with computers, huh. 

	/pjh
2156.14Finale merges/editsNWD002::EVANS_BRThu Nov 09 1989 14:5010
    re: Music Editors search/replace?
    
    Finale can do that -- and it's even aimed at the Pro marketplace.
    
    Bruce
    (who-is-not-certain-if-he-should-maintain-straightface-or-tongue-in-cheek)
    
    
    PS: why is it you guys always take some humorous topic, and make
    it into something serious!!!!!     :-)
2156.15DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDRock and Roll doctorFri Nov 10 1989 10:327
Tom save your midimoney...I saw an ad yesterday on TV for jsut the thing. Wamco
or tyco or somebody makes a plastic electric guitar look-alike that comes with 
preprogrammed licks...you just have to get a hairdo and look good...

dbii

ps: good luck!
2156.16quit art the artsy wayJUNDA::Schuchard% Fri Nov 10 1989 14:0810

        perhaps down at Mobius they have a performing lobotmist? Could
        be a fun entertaining way to overcome all your aforementioned
        shortcomings?
        
        (hey baby i shed my braaaiiinnnss fer you...)
        
                bs
                
2156.17and the Beat goes on......POBOX::KOTSCHARJANAFri Nov 10 1989 18:3828
    
    The following is required:
    
    1) Harley-Davidson Motorcycle (good for stage presence)
    2) Long Hair (un-washed) 
    3) Skin tight leather clothes
    4) Tons of Marshall Amp's/Cabinets
    5) Charvel 6  (fire crackle finish)
    6) Heavy Floyd Rose Tremolo Guitar Solo's
    7) 10,000 fans  (teeny bopers)
    8) One diamond earring.
    9) one very large bag of cotton
    10) 8 to 10  Tele-Prompters
    11) Power Drummer
    12) Power Bass player
    13) 2-4 Female Backup singers
    14) Lots of Lights,Smoke,Laser Lights etc...
    15) Mega effects Rack
    16) One each Pre-Recorded Performance (midi controlled)
    17) 12-15 Security Guards (in leather jackets with bands logo on
        back)
    18) One Magic bus.
    19) T shirts (3-4 various styles between 15-25$ ea.)
    20) One Hit song!
    
    
        Did I forget something? Oh Yeah.. Lots of Money helps too.                                                       
    
2156.18SALSA::MOELLERFun with FrangiblesFri Nov 10 1989 18:466
>               <<< Note 2156.17 by POBOX::KOTSCHARJANA >>>
>    9) one very large bag of cotton
    
    .. the cotton is for EARPLUGS, right ?
    
    karl
2156.19STORMY::RILEYI *am* the D.J.Sat Nov 11 1989 22:197
    >>    9) one very large bag of cotton
    
    >>>.. the cotton is for EARPLUGS, right ?

    Or to properly fill out item #3
    
    "jackin' the house", Bob (did I say that?)
2156.20 How to tell a proVOLKS::RYENRick Ryen 240-6501 AET1-1/A6Mon Nov 13 1989 18:245
 True music professionals select equipment based upon the
 value of product endorsement contracts. All other
 considerations are secondary.

Rick