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| 2136.1 | good luck! | SWAV1::STEWART | There is no dark side of the moon... | Tue Oct 17 1989 22:59 | 20 |
| > What the system will have to over come is the total lack of music
> background from myself, and the total lack of computer illiteracy of
> my wife. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Maybe you're not in such bad shape! *8')
Before Brad puts in the obligatory references to the beginners
notes, (which you would be well advised to read) I'd like to
suggest Craig Anderton's book titled "MIDI for Musicians" or
something like that... You're fortunate to just be getting into
this stuff. It's cheaper and better than it ever has been.
Another thing to think about is that *nobody* owns just one piece
of MIDI gear. So don't worry about getting the absolute best
keyboard (or best anything) until you figure out what you want to
do.
On a realistic note, I haven't noticed a whole lot of educational
programs that teach music. So, if you really want to get the
most out of your investment you should consider investing in
music lessons...
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| 2136.2 | cf. amiga notes | MILKWY::JANZEN | cf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVES | Wed Oct 18 1989 00:14 | 6 |
| I am given to understand that Instant Music from Electronic arts
is kind of basic. Deluxe Music Construction Set uses musical notation
(not MIDI hexadecimal) and is cheap.
Dr. T s/w is often expensive and MIDI-detailed, I think without knowing.
;-)
Tom
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| 2136.3 | more amiga software | MILKWY::JANZEN | cf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVES | Wed Oct 18 1989 13:02 | 29 |
| Here is a summary of part of an article in Amiga Resource, summer 89.
Other amiga music programs are:
Adrum, from Haitex under $80, 4-voice drum machine.
Dr. T's Keyboard Controlled Sequencer under $250
MIDI sequencing program
AudioMaster from Aegis; digital sound-sampling and editing program
to manipulate samples and save as instruments, under $60
Dynamic Drums from New Wve, under $80, acts like a drum machine
(probably the best amiga drum machine program) with MIDI
Dynamic Studio from New Eave, under $200; a MIDI sequencing program
with drum machine capability; can play amiga instruments that
are made with Sound Oasis
HotLicks from Infinity under $50; compositional software
Instant Music from Electronic Arts under $50; some kind of low-level
screwy composition programwith internal synth. Maybe non-MIDI?
M by Intelligent Music; $200 music composition program.
MIDI Magic from Brown-Wagh under $150; MIDI sequencer.
MIDI Recording Studio under $70 from Dr. T. Simple sequencer.
MidiVU from Diemer, $29; recording tracks from MIDI source.
The MusicStudio $80 from Mediagenic; composition aid.
Sonix from Aegis $80; music editor, with MIDI.
Sound Lab from Blank, $295; editing program for Ensoniq Mirage samples
Synthia from The Other Guys $100 or less. creates and modifies
Amiga internal intrument sound files; helps to have a background
in musical acoustics.
hardware: MIDI-1 from Creative Microsystems is a midi interface.
Tom
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| 2136.4 | Re: .1 -- I do! | OPHION::WEISSMAN | | Thu Oct 19 1989 11:45 | 18 |
| > Another thing to think about is that *nobody* owns just one piece
> of MIDI gear.
Hah. The only piece of MIDI gear I own right now is my Kurzweil
K1000. I don't even have a computer hooked up to it at the moment.
I do wish I had a drum machine, but I can do a lot without one.
To get this note back on the track ... I'm planning to get a computer,
and I'd like it to be an Amiga. There is other software that wasn't
mentioned in .3; for example, you can get Master Tracks Pro (a
sequencer that I've heard is pretty good). Also, there are some score
editors that look like they might be pretty good. Does anyone out
there have experience with a good score editor and a good sequencer
for the Amiga?
Thanks,
Terry
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| 2136.5 | This is frustrating. | HYDRA::CHICOINE | | Thu Oct 19 1989 13:33 | 30 |
|
Thanks so far,,, But as I thought I implied.
I don't know nothing {;=) about this stuff. Talk about
sequencers and score editors, drum machine's,.... I know nout about.
I will try to get hold of an electronic music mag. but I suspect
90% of what I'll find in there will assume you know what they're
talking about. My situation is a kind of a catch 22, You have to
know something about what you want to do with the package you buy;
but the only way to know enough about what you'll want and need
to have, is to allready have experience enough with the package, to
know what you want. I thought you all could provide the experience,
and I could learn what I want and need from it. { sounded logical
to me! }
Let me pose the question this way,
maybe not.
Thanks anyway.
I don't even know what to ask,,, I thought my original note
was clear and simple enough. I'll ask again when I know what to
ask.
*** May God Bless ***
John Chicoine
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| 2136.6 | | SALSA::MOELLER | Invisible to teenage girls | Thu Oct 19 1989 14:14 | 12 |
| You're right, John.. it's like a new language, and there's no shortcuts
to understanding it. The information IS here, and the folks WILL help
you, AND you have to help yourself, too ! My impression that several
of the music mags have more of a beginner's bent than others... "KCS"
(Keyboards, Computers, Software) magazine is one. Maybe a local music
store has a MIDI Primer. Maybe you could show up at a LERDS-BIM (see
LERDS-BIM keyword) meeting and pump the old pros for info... if that's
geographically feasible (I'm in Arizona...)
Don't give up !
karl
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| 2136.7 | hey kid, wanna buy a synth? | JUNDA::Schuchard | % | Thu Oct 19 1989 14:35 | 11 |
|
ya, if you hang around this file for awhile, you'll get urself
all kinds of wondering and confused and maybe a tad intimitated.
But wait, the best is yet to come - you get a small machine,
turn it on, and before you know it, not only do you start to
understand the dialogue, you get this incredible urge to spend
all kinds of dollars you most likely don't have, spend all
sorts of hours working on sequences, and spending the rest of
your time thinking up clever lies to tell the spouse....
Just like a big time drug addiction ;-)
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| 2136.8 | Some help... | NRPUR::DEATON | | Thu Oct 19 1989 15:24 | 46 |
| Let me try to answer some specific questions...
> The CASIO MT-240 (has midi out) (Does it also need Midi in?)
> runs between $175 and $190, I've seen midi controllers for about
> >= $60. If the CASIO has Midi out, do I still need this?
You need MIDI IN and OUT only if you plan on having a two-way
communication network between two (or more) MIDI units. What is a MIDI unit?
Anything that uses MIDI to communicate to other units. Your Amiga can be a
MIDI unit, a synth can be a MIDI unit, etc.
> How much is the software?
> Can we do _it_ for under $270.00 total? New Y/N ___ USED Y/N ___
> " _it_ " = hardware and software.
It depends on what you want to do. You mention some program scenarios
further down (having a program "listen" to what you play and correct you if you
make a mistake). There may be programs like this out there, I don't know, but
I have to ask - what is the goal? Do you want to learn (or have members of your
family learn) an instrument? I'd say you'd be better off in the long run taking
lessons on the instrument of your choice. There's more to music than playing
the right notes.
> ON these mini keyboards there are sounds called "voices". Are
> these the same as the "sampled sounds" on the AMIGA; And if so,
> can I then just get an electric piano with no "voices" and
> select them internally with the software?
Some MIDI keyboards use "sampled" sounds, and they may be similar to
the Amiga's internal voices. I would imagine there's the ability to access
those voices from a MIDI keyboard, but not owning an AMIGA I can't say for sure.
> Does/can the AMIGA do the same thing as the 1970's moog
> synthesizers did, to create some crazy sounds?
Again, I don't the the capabilities of the Amiga, but I can tell you
that you can pick up a used moog-type synth (monophonic) very cheaply these
days. Look in the local WantAdvertizer. There's usually someone selling one
and you shouldn't need to spend more than $100 for one. These will not be
MIDI Equiped (i.e., they will not be able to be interfaced with any other
unit, including your amiga), but they are fascinating to learn how to maipulate
sound.
Dan
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| 2136.9 | Info for Amiga users with Low music budgets | SQLRUS::RAKOWSKI | | Tue Jan 30 1990 10:19 | 90 |
| Greetings !
I have been recently Digitized (just came to Digital) and
I do think I may be able to help with your questions about
Amigas and Music....
You see I have an Amiga 2000 (ok... I traded up way back
and was one of the original sortware developers for the
beast...) I have a 48 meg hard drive that seems to be
cluttered with "samples".
How they got there... Well my husband (who is not musically
inclined) read an article in Amazing Computing (an Amiga mag)
on "How to build your own Digitizer" anyhow he was successful !
Oooo Ahhh ! we can (with the help of a cheap Radio Shack mike)
can say things to the computer and then "diddle" with the sounds.
For amusing your children and being highly cost effective, this
could be your solution. The home brew digitizer came in at
$30, I forgot the mike price... but these can be had for real
cheap. And the software we used with it was a public domain version
of Perfect Sound... cost $20 for the manual and to feed a starving
programmer.
This gets you fun voice thingys and whatever else your heart
desires to sample...
For example we have one of those annoying answering machine
things but the out going message is a fun bit of digitized
mystery sounds which include a "stretch" version of our kitten
a "max headroom" version of my spousal unit (you know, significant
other... husband) and me in the background "keyboarding" a wild
version of Pink Floyd's "Welcome to the Machine" on my Kawai PH50.
Questions... comments... more info ?
Just ask....
Name: Susan M. Rakowski
Speciality: Diddling Doodles Digitaly
<<< Note 2136.8 by NRPUR::DEATON >>>
-< Some help... >-
Let me try to answer some specific questions...
> The CASIO MT-240 (has midi out) (Does it also need Midi in?)
> runs between $175 and $190, I've seen midi controllers for about
> >= $60. If the CASIO has Midi out, do I still need this?
You need MIDI IN and OUT only if you plan on having a two-way
communication network between two (or more) MIDI units. What is a MIDI unit?
Anything that uses MIDI to communicate to other units. Your Amiga can be a
MIDI unit, a synth can be a MIDI unit, etc.
> How much is the software?
> Can we do _it_ for under $270.00 total? New Y/N ___ USED Y/N ___
> " _it_ " = hardware and software.
It depends on what you want to do. You mention some program scenarios
further down (having a program "listen" to what you play and correct you if you
make a mistake). There may be programs like this out there, I don't know, but
I have to ask - what is the goal? Do you want to learn (or have members of your
family learn) an instrument? I'd say you'd be better off in the long run taking
lessons on the instrument of your choice. There's more to music than playing
the right notes.
> ON these mini keyboards there are sounds called "voices". Are
> these the same as the "sampled sounds" on the AMIGA; And if so,
> can I then just get an electric piano with no "voices" and
> select them internally with the software?
Some MIDI keyboards use "sampled" sounds, and they may be similar to
the Amiga's internal voices. I would imagine there's the ability to access
those voices from a MIDI keyboard, but not owning an AMIGA I can't say for sure.
> Does/can the AMIGA do the same thing as the 1970's moog
> synthesizers did, to create some crazy sounds?
Again, I don't the the capabilities of the Amiga, but I can tell you
that you can pick up a used moog-type synth (monophonic) very cheaply these
days. Look in the local WantAdvertizer. There's usually someone selling one
and you shouldn't need to spend more than $100 for one. These will not be
MIDI Equiped (i.e., they will not be able to be interfaced with any other
unit, including your amiga), but they are fascinating to learn how to maipulate
sound.
Dan
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| 2136.10 | More Cheap Stuff | AQUA::ROST | Everyone loves those dead presidents | Tue Jan 30 1990 10:37 | 6 |
|
I also have a shematic for a MIDI interface for the Amiga that can be
done home brew for about $10 of parts. Send e-mail if you're
interested.
Brian
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| 2136.11 | AMIGA new programs. | ISIDRO::ISIDRO | | Wed May 30 1990 06:38 | 17 |
| HI, AMIGA users!
Before to join DIGITAL, 7 months ago, I was working in COMMODORE,
so, I think I can help you a little bit.
The recently and best programs in my eyes are:
MUSIC-X: as secuencer, editing from MIDI, importing other files,
etc.
AUDIOMASTER-II: as sampler.
SINTHIA: as synthesiser editor.
Regards and good play.
Isidro.
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