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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2108.0. "Pedal controlled backing ..." by GAOV09::GLYNN () Fri Sep 01 1989 13:18

    
    	I play guitar in a 3 piece band....
    	Is there any way of expanding the sound , such as using pedals
    	for a string effect. If there is anything available on these
    	lines would anyone have the details. I also have a Technics
    	keyboard which has midi ... could pedals be hooked up to it
    	to produce these effects.
    		I would only need the effect for slow numbers and
    	especially where theres a break for a lead. The sound could
    	be fairly basic string or brass effect.
    
    		Anyone any ideas? Im not really interested in a 
    	synthesized guitar or even the pickup type (too much money
    	involved). 
    
    		Ill cross post this in commusic.
    
    		Thanks
    
    		Ray
    
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2108.1WEFXEM::COTEAnother day, another segue...Fri Sep 01 1989 13:427
    Pedal boards are available, but are often/usually only 1 or
    1.5 octaves, limiting their usefullness.
    
    Keep in mind that most of them are *controllers*, they generate
    no sounds on their own, so you'll still need an external synth.
    
    Edd
2108.2What I've looked atCSC32::MOLLERNightmare on Sesame StreetFri Sep 01 1989 13:4210
	I've looked into these before also. Expect to spend $400.00
	for a 1 1/2 octave MIDI send only controller. There was a company
	in Ottowa Canada (I think) that sells a controller board for
	this exact thing for around $100.00, but you have to build the
	rest yourself. I thought $400.00 is steep for what you get.
	Maybe there are some new products out that I haven't seen (I
	quit looking about a year ago - I also play guitar & want to
	dynamically want to add sounds while I'm playing guitar).

							Jens
2108.3alternate ideasDYO780::SCHAFERBrad - boycott hell.Fri Sep 01 1989 13:549
    I don't know much about pedal controllers, but there are a few patches
    on the Quadraverb that allow your *guitar* to fill as a string pad. No,
    it's not a true violin, and the sound is somewhat reminiscent of the
    Ebow (especially when lots of distortion is present) but it's pretty
    amazing anyway. 

    Another stupid idea - you could hire a synth player.  8-)

-b
2108.4bFULMER::ROBSONBFri Sep 01 1989 14:0322
    To my knowledge there is no "pedal" or "box" available which will
    synthesize the sound of strings or brass at the output with a guitar
    pickup plugged in at the input, but I have heard of things like
    octavers, pitch shifters, etc. which may be available in the Yamaha
    RX50 effects unit; this box was I believe aimed at guitarists.
           There are also chorus pedals which help fill out the sound;-
    commonly used is the practice of taking the chorussed output to
    one amplifier input and the straight, unprocessed output to a second
    amplifier to give a stereo, three dimensional feel.
           I believe that there are in existance PITCH TO VOLTAGE
    converters which could be used to trigger the CV input of some synths.
    Boxes like the RX50 use the AUDIO a.c. signal from the guitar, and
    so can also use the AUDIO a.c. output from a technics keyboard given
    that they are correctly matched impedance and level wise, but since
    the MIDI output on the keyboard is NOT an audio a.c. signal but
    a DIGITAL DATA port, pedals and boxes like the above cannot be used
    on the MIDI signals.
           Some processors like the RX50 have MIDI connections, but
    these are invariably used to allow Program Change or Parameter Change
    via. MIDI.
    
    Brian.
2108.5Elka DMP-18FGVAXX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*282-1476Fri Sep 01 1989 16:143
    See note 2016.6, re. the Elka DMP-18 pedalboard, cost $300
    
    -Jim
2108.6wrong planet?SWAV1::STEWARTThere is no dark side of the moon...Fri Sep 01 1989 16:5114


re: < Note 2108.4 by FULMER::ROBSONB >

	Maybe what's he asking for is a pedal to let him remotely
	start/stop an external sequencer.  That should be off-the-shelf
	stuff.  A performance-oriented sequencer that accepts MIDI song
	selection (there is such a command, right?) would work just like
	he wants...  Or have I slipped into a parallel universe again? 




2108.7The string's the thing !WAR750::KAYDI think I&#039;ve lost my towel !!Mon Sep 04 1989 04:379
There are effect pedals that take a guitar output and add
synthesised strings. These are fairly new, and I don't know much
about them. They're made by a small company in the UK (I saw them
advertised in "Making Music" recently). I'll dig out the details
tonight.

Cheers,

    Derek.