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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:	* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Moderator:	DYPSS1::SCHAFER

Created:	Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:	Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2852
Total number of notes:	33157

2102.0. "Want Cheap SGU w/aftertouch for Wind Controller" by KOBAL::DICKSON () Mon Aug 28 1989 15:03

    I just acquired a (cheap) wind controller and have run up against a
    limitation in my FB01 sound module that previously I didn't care
    about: it doesn't respond usefully to aftertouch.
    
    Notice I say "usefully".  It will let you use aftertouch to control
    the amount to which the LFO modulates pitch, but this is not really
    what a wind player is looking for.
    
    Using the controller's built in sound generator (this is a Casio DH200
    we are talking about here), my wife even likes the results.  Doesn't
    sound like a machine.  But the DH200 is pretty chintzy as an SGU, and
    doesn't have a MIDI in anyhow.
    
    So what I want is to trade the FB01 in on something that will respond
    to aftertouch in the way a wind player would expect - modulating the
    level.  But I don't know which modules in my price range do this.
    
    The constraints:
    
    	A module only.  No keyboard, no sequencer, needed.
    	Equivalent FB01 functionality as a minimum (8 voices)
    	$300 or less.  Used is ok.
    
    So what are my options?
    
    I can't play keyboard for beans, but those 6 years on the sax as a
    teenager are still with me.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
2102.1	aftertouch portamento	SALSA::MOELLER	Nested assumption calls	`Mon Aug 28 1989 15:07`	2
	uhh... used Roland MT32 ? " " " Kawai K3m ? (monotimbral, 6 voice)
2102.2	Yamaha TX81z.	DYO780::SCHAFER	Brad - boycott hell.	`Mon Aug 28 1989 17:08`	8
	The most logical step (at least to me) would be a TX81z. Probably more mod capabilities than you'd ever need, and very similar architecture (and heckuva lot better sounds). Used to go new for $279. Don't know if they make 'em anymore, or what they're worth used. Hot stuff for a wind controller, though. -b
2102.3	What he said...	WEFXEM::COTE	Another day, another segue...	`Mon Aug 28 1989 17:24`	10
	I'll second the motion on the TX81Z. Sal Galenas's book has some good patches designed especially for BC, as are many of the factory patches... A good deal would be $200. (For that price you'd probably have to arm-wrestle me for it. I think the TZ's are GREAT machines for the price. None better...) Edd
2102.4		KOBAL::DICKSON		`Mon Aug 28 1989 18:02`	7
	I need something that responds specifically to channel pressure (also known as "mono aftertouch") as that is what my DH200 sends. It does not send the "breath controller" signals, which some Yamaha stuff (and just about only Yamaha stuff) pays any attention to. If the TX81Z will do it, it sounds like what I should look for. (None in the Daddy's Used list just now.)
2102.5	It can work with aftertouch	CSG002::ROACH		`Mon Aug 28 1989 18:23`	12
	I use a TX81Z with the Yamaha WX7 wind controller - it's good. I also use a DX7. The TX81Z is good, but I like the DX sounds better (not surprising). The TX81Z has a parameter that maps aftertouch to breath controller so that the breath controller voices will repsond to aftertouch. I've tried it with the WX7 and it works. I didn't realize that Yamaha stopped making them. A shame. Good deal for the money. Geoff
2102.6	get an 81z (from an fm hater:-)	NORGE::CHAD	Ich glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tte	`Mon Aug 28 1989 21:03`	5
	I fourth the motion of TX81z. Used about 200-230 is probably good. I may pick one up sometime. Chad
2102.7		KOBAL::DICKSON		`Tue Aug 29 1989 10:45`	4
	Actually, the big Daddy's "Vintage and Classic" used equipment catalog has a TX81Z in it, but they want $329 for it. ("excellent" condition it says.) Well, wanted, as that one is sold now. Think I'll look in the want ads...
2102.8	one recipe	NORGE::CHAD	Ich glaube Ich t�te Ich h�tte	`Tue Aug 29 1989 12:30`	12
	Go to Daddy's Nashua, tell Tim Miller that you spoke with guys at DEC (names tomention [not that it does any good but] are Eirikur, Chad, or Dave Blickstein) and that you are looking for a used TX81Z and will pay about $xxx where you supply xxx. They had one in their for $229 a while back (about 3 weeks) and he will look in the computer and find one for you. If they don't have one, he'll call you when they do. It is important to call 1x a week anyway to check up and see if he has one. Want Ads (like you mentioned), can be a good idea but many poeple there try to get their money back and charge way more than FMV (fair market value). Chad
2102.9	boinnngggg	HAMER::COCCOLI	TV villain never gets top billing	`Tue Aug 29 1989 19:31`	9
	Rogue Music in NYC has some new ones for (gulp) $380. This is the same price as what I originally paid for mine 3+ yrs ago. Is this what happens when a good piece of equipment is discontinued?. It returns to original price? (after a big blowout). Or is Rogue just plain nutzoid?. Rich
2102.10	TX81z ROM Directory	WEFXEM::COTE	Another day, another segue...	`Tue Aug 29 1989 21:41`	39
	A noter asked me off-line for a list of the TZ ROM patches. I figured I'd post 'em here for everyone... Edd Bank A Bank B Bank C Bank D Grand Piano Trumpet81Z NylonGuit BaadBreath UprtPiano Full Brass Guitar #1 VocalNuts Deep Grd Flugelhorn TwelveStrg KrstlChoir HonkyTonk ChorusBras Funky Pick Metalimba Elec Grand French Horn AllThatJaz WaterGlass Fuzz Piano AtackBrass HeavyMetal BowedBell SkoolPiano SpitBoneBC Old Banjo >>WOW<< Thump Pno Horns BC Zither Fuzzy Koto LoTine81Z MelloTenor ElecBass 1 Spc Midiot HiTine81Z RaspAlto SqncrBass Gurgle ElectroPno Flute SynFunkBas Hole in 1 NewElectro Pan Floot ElecBass 2 Birds DynomiteEP Basson AnalogBass MalibuNite DynoWurlie Oboe Jaco Bass Helicopter Wood Piano Clarinet LatelyBass FlightSim Reed Piano Harmonica MonophBass Brthbells PercOrgan DoubleBass StadiumSol Storm Wind 16 8 4 2 F BowCello TrumptSolo Alarm Call Pump Organ BoxCello BCSexyPhon Racing Car <6 Tease> SoloViolin Lyrisyn Whistling Farcheeza HiString 1 Warm Square Space Talk Small Pipe LowString Sync Lead Space Vibe Big Church Pizzicato MellowSqar Timpani AnalogOrgn Harp Jazz Flute FM Hi-Hats Thin Clav ReverbStrg HeavyLead Bass Drum EZ Clav SynString Java Jive Tube Bells Fuzz Clavi Voices Xylophone Noise Shot LiteHarpsi HarmoPad GreatVibes Snare 1 RichHarpsi FanfarTpts Sitar Snare 2 Celeste HiString 2 Bell Pad Hand Drum BriteCelst PercFlute PlasticHit Synballs Squeezebox BreathOrgn DigiAnnie Efem Toms
2102.11	More sounds	CSG001::ROACH		`Wed Aug 30 1989 00:29`	6
	A few days ago, I uploaded about 900 or so public domain TX81Z patches to DYO780::[Midilib... someplace? ] Brad will post a note to where they finally ended up. Some of them have modifications to use with a wind controller (WX7). This might help get started. Geoff