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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2085.0. "Artificial Creativity" by DFLAT::DICKSON () Wed Aug 16 1989 10:35

    The July issue of "Electronic Musician" has an ad on page 56 for a
    thing called the "Music Creator Apprentice".  There is an SGU, an
    interface board, and software.  Hard to tell what makes this thing
    special.  But what caught my eye was a quote they used in the ad:
    
    
    		"Artificial creativity is on the way...  with the
    		 Music Creator computer program."
    					- USA Today
    
    (Of course we all recognize the authority and expertise behind a review
    of such equipment appearing in such an august journal as "USA Today".)
    
    But I about fell off the sofa when I saw that term, "artificial
    creativity".  I wonder what the Turing Test would be for it?
    
    A curtain across the room.  On one side is a composer and a computer.
    On the other side are a bunch of A&R reps, critics, and professors of
    music.  These judges attempt to determine which music is coming from
    the musician and which is coming from the computer on the basis of
    creativity...
    
    The mind reels.
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2085.1Hey, Automatically compose THIS!ANT::JANZENcf. ANT::CIRCUITS,ANT::UWAVESWed Aug 16 1989 11:1814
    I have written some automatic composition programs.  Automatic
    composition goes back at least to the 50's.  At the computer museum
    in boston
    you can hear /see a kurweil play what the computer composed over night.
    This is old hat.  yawn.  I knew this was coming when I was 2 years old.
	( ;-) just for old times' sake.)
    This week I will write a new composer that will write new versions
    of lucy's dance (a mellow pentatonic countrapuntal thing)
    in real time and play them.
    I also thought up that musical turing test, but what it should do
    is they both submit laser-printed scores to a contest.  The computer
    will when because composition competitions are such a scan.  scam
    . whatever.
    Tom
2085.2DFLAT::DICKSONWed Aug 16 1989 12:194
    They weren't claiming artificial composition, but artifical
    *creativity*.  (See, it isn't *really* creative.  It's, er, uh,
    something else.)  Maybe it is full of plagarized stuff from composers so
    obscure that nobody has heard of them.
2085.3make your PC a super-star ...MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326Wed Aug 16 1989 13:1812
Approximatly according to TAHD:
    artificial == pretends
    creative == original

    Thus, artificial creativity is when a computer pretends to be original.
    I know a few top names in the biz that have artificial creativity, and 
    with less memory and computing capacity in their heads than a Commodore
    64.  Only makes sense to put it into a computer.  Now, if only they
    could combine this with the, what is it, 2 k-bytes worth of top-40 
    formulas ...
    
    Steve
2085.4Did I miss the drift?LEDDEV::ROSSshiver me timbres....Fri Aug 18 1989 11:259
    
    	Most top 40 is resplendant with Artificial Creativity. 
    
    	Thus, we have a starting point.
    
    	:)
    
    ron
2085.5....KALLON::EIRIKURHallgr�msson, ACA and CDA Prod. Mgr.Fri Aug 18 1989 11:5110
    No, no, no!  Top 40 is imitation artificial creativity.  Real
    artificial creativity would be better.
    
    Just got the new David van Teigham CD.  It is more consistent but less
    good than his first.  But I have to like a person who plays Fairlight,
    lamp parts, scrap metal, plastic hose, and whatnot.  Problem is, the
    record company wanted an album.  And he cranked something out.  :-(
    
    	Eirikur
2085.6My program can beat up your programGUESS::YERAZUNISArtificial Intellegence, Advanced Smoke and Mirrors GroupFri Aug 18 1989 19:1916
    
    I've spent years wondering what the essence of creative thought
    is (both as an amateur and a professional).  My conclusion is that 
    I don't know _what_ it is, but I know some cheap parlor tricks that
    tend to induce it.
    
    Since I don't know what does (or does not) constitute creativity,
    there really isn't any way for me to say whether a specific 
    [ floppy disk | musical score | person ] really and truly has
    creativity.
             
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    Anybody wanna try the Beethoven Turing Test?
    
    	-Bill
2085.7SALSA::MOELLEROne mile wide. One inch deep.Mon Aug 21 1989 13:358
>    < Note 2085.6 by GUESS::YERAZUNIS "Artificial Intellegence, Advanced Smoke and Mirrors Group" >
>                    -< My program can beat up your program >-
>    Anybody wanna try the Beethoven Turing Test?

    OK, Bill.. I'll bite.  I know what Alan Turing's test is, but what
    is a 'Beethoven' Turing test ?
    
    karl
2085.8Isn't It Obvious?DRUMS::FEHSKENSMon Aug 21 1989 13:386
    It's whether or not the entity at the other end of the terminal connection
    can convince you it's Beethoven.  You know, by seeming to be deaf,
    irritable, Viennese, going on endlessly about his nephew, etc..
    
    len.