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    Anyone have an M3R?  Are there any opinions?  How does it compare to
    the U220?
    
    Tks for any info!

    In the Proteus topic, Tom Robert said that the M3R is 16 voice
    polyphonic.  I've read ads that say the same thing ... but I've heard
    others say that it's only 8 voice, citing the M1R as the 16 voice unit. 

    Would someone please explain the difference between the M1R and the M3R
    (other than the obvious size difference)? 

    Thanks.

-b

    Sounds like it's time for a "How do you measure polyphony anyway and I
    thought they had truth in advertising laws in this country?" topic.
    
    8^)  8^)  8^)
    
    							Brian

    We certainly do need a standard of "Polyphony" measurement.
    
    How about how many concurrent playings of Event Horizon sequences
    it can play before voice stealing occurs?
    
    ;-)
    
    	db

    It's my understanding that they are both 16 voice. The M3R has 2mb of
    ROM samples, non-expandable, the M1R has 4mb expandable to 8mb which
    makes it an M1R-EX. The M1R has a dual voice mode and a sequencer, the
    M3R does not. For $300 more, the M1R is a much better deal. I have an
    M1R-EX on order, they are shipping now. The upgrades are already
    available, but it costs $200 more to buy the M1R + upgrade than to buy
    the M1R-EX with the full 8mb already installed.
    
    Chris

    
    
    hey ! remember me ?
    
    What is an M1r-EX
    
    				Paul.

    RE:  " -< Put a Korg in it! >- "
    
    Copyright ) July, 1988   Mike Bell, thank you!
     
    :77
    
    --mikie--

    M1R-EX = M1R with all 8MB of sample rom.
    
    Chris

    
    Stop it, Paul. You know you don't need it.
    
    Richard.

    
    Thanks, Dave.  I'll remember you always....
    
    [besides, not much (or, in some cases, any) of the EH tracks
    were sequenced... not counting the drums, of course.  :-) 
    Lots of layering and slaving, but not much sequencing. ]
    
    	-Bill

    
    SO.....what's the scoop on M3r polyphony?
        
    Please refer to proteus gyrational discussions on polyphony
    before replying (note 1886).    thank you.

    Maybe we need a note on 'latest multitimbral gear'...to group
    comparisons...U220,proteus, M-schtuff, T-series, Yama-pay-lots
    series...
    
    you know.
    
    rr
    

    
    Two months ago I bought an M3R.  I think its close to the Proteus
    in bang for the buck.  It has 16 real note multi-timbral polyphony.
    
    I have FM, analog, and sampling SGU's already.  My drum machine
    is not velocity sensitive (old MIDIed LinnDrum).  I was using the
    sampler for some drums and other traditional sounds.  What I needed
    was a SGU that had great drums, traditional instruments, capable
    of LA time layers to take the load off the sampler.
    
    The Proteus was the first choice but was unavailable at the time.
    The D110 and U110 didn't cut it sound quality wise.  A friend has
    an M1 and I really liked the sound.  I didn't want to pay extra
    for the sequencer in an M1R.
    
    What the M3R did have was card expandability for M1 sounds and M3R
    patches.  It also has TWO built in effects generators that are routable.
    Each timbre can be routed to one or two of four outputs (panning
    for outputs A and B).  Four Drumkits are selectable utilizing 45
    samples.  Eighty-nine tones for programs.  Tones are modified using
    traditional filter, envelope, LFO technology into Programs.  Eight Programs,
    including Drumkit, are combined into Combinations.  Each part in
    a Combination have parameters for routing or pan, level, MIDI channel,
    high-low note range, CC enable/disable, program change enable/disable,
    etc.  Combinations can have a correponding Effects patch set up
    for it.  Effects can be in series or parallel.  Effects are similar
    to those available in an SPX-90 (reverbs, delays, chorus, flange,
    compression, EQ, "leslie", etc.).  Each effect type has several
    parameters that can be set for this Combination.  Inputs to A and
    B are always routed through Effect 1.  Inputs C and D can be routed
    through Effect 2  or  Effect 2 can be placed after Effect 1 through
    outputs A and B using inputs from Effect 1 and inputs A and B.  
    
    The M3R comes with 2M bytes of ROM samples.  Cards can carry another 2M.
    Tone cards are M1 compatable.  Program/combination data cards are
    not.  M3R comes with 100 programs and 100 combinations (in RAM).
     
    To my ears, the Proteus has a better piano and strings.  The M3R
    has adequate piano and strings, especially in a mix.  Each has very
    good drum sounds.  Both are strong at LA type "combinations" or
    layered patches.
    
    If you doubt the sound quality of the M3R, check out the demo.
    
    Dave (This is my first Korg)

    Excerpt from note 2248 by usenet noter who attended NAMM on the M3R:
    
    
    "Korg:  I had to go by the Korg room and hear what the demo was like on
    the M3r. Wow! I can't decide between that and the Proteus.  The
    on-board effects are  really clean and fat sounding too (E-mu...do
    it!).  You could hear some voice- stealing going on, but hey, what do
    you expect for a 1-U box sounding like a  64-piece orchestra?  I also
    took a spin by the Bo Tomlyn booth and listened to  his stuff for the
    M3r.  Bo knows the M3r.  (just had to say it!)  The T-series stuff
    sounds great too as probably most of you know."
    
    The demo is really impressive and shows off the capabilities of the
    machine.  Listen and compare to the Proteus before buying.  Wurlitzer
    in Framingham, MA has both units set together for comparison shoppers.
    
    Dave
    
 
    Kurzweil:  Their piano sounds were the first to really knock me out on
    Friday. They have a new product called the "Micro-Expander" that's
    supposed to come out soon, listing for $995.  I messed with one.  It's
    supposedly the same piano sound that's used in their more expensive
    keyboards.  It's really great.  Plus this little unit had some other
    synth-type stuff one might not expect from Kurzweil.  I overheard a rep
    telling a store owner that his Micro-Expanders  were going to be
    shipped "soon", and that they had a lot of other music stores on their
    tail too.  By the way, the Micro-Expander comes standard as a non-
    rack-mountable module, kind of like the MT-32.  You can rack it with
    their  little "kit" though.
 
    Alesis:  Yes, the 1622 does have alot of inputs.  Big deal.  It was
    sitting in a glass case like the Hope diamond.  "It's shipping..." they
    said.  We'll see. Again, no new stuff that I saw, though their booth
    was quite useful for leaning up against as you ate your hotdog. 

    
    Two notes on the M3r:
    
    EUW told me that they will *not* carry programmers since past
    experience with them (i.e. Roland) was a bust.  Get yerself a tube or
    love those presets.
    
    A note on USENET claimed that despite the fact that both M1 and M3r are
    16-voice, the M1 has twice as many oscillators....not this again.  What
    the hell is the voicing structure on these things?  
    
    							Brian

    
    The Literature from Korg says the M3r is:
    
    		"...16 voices..."  I read 'oscillators'.

    		but it only has 8 filters...!!! (2 osc. per channel like
    		previous korg architectures??)
    
    		....and is " multitimbral on 8 midi channels" 
    
    		Now what?    Sounds like 8 voice polyphony to me.
    
    		rr
    
    		

    
    M3R Specifications
    
    * Sound Generation Method: AI Synthesis system
    * SOUND SOURCE : 16 Voices 16 Oscillators (Single mode)
    * NUMBER OF SOUND DATA: 135 (Multi sound,Extracted Waveform data,
                                 DWGS,Drum sound data)
    * NUMBER OF MULTITIMBRE: 8
    * FILTER SECTION:    VDF (Variable Digital Filter)
    * AMPLIFIER SECTION: VDA (Variable Digital Amplifier)
    * EFFECT SECTION: 2-System Digital multi-effects
    * PROGRAM MEMORY CAPACITY: 100 Combinations
    * MIDI OVERFLOW FUNCTION,REMOTE JACK
    
    (from Korg Electronic Musical Instruments Vol 1.5)
    
    Gianmario
    

Has anyone A-B'd the M3R with the Roland U220 and/or the Proteus-1?  How do
they compare?

Jim (looking for a new sound box)

Hi Jim !

There was a comparison in the German Keaboards some time last year, where they
had the M3R and U220 among others (M1REX, TG55, etc.). I think the U220 was
rated best price/performance overall. They made a few tests with different
styles of music (classic, pop, jazz...) and depending on the style the one or
the other had it's advantages. So it depends on YOUR style preference too.
The fact that the U220 has 30 note polyphony is really helpful, I guess.

On the other hand, there are now a few SW packages that allow to convert M1
sounds to M3R, which may make the M3R more attractive (they just checked the
built in sounds).

	Richard

Re: .19

Have you got more information on this SW packages that allow M1 sounds to be
converted to M3r ones?

Thank you in advance,

Pierre

Hello M3r owners,

do you know if there are "real" instruments sounds (ie oboe, flute, horns,...)
available? The ideal would be for me to have the complete orchestra sounds set.
But may be the M3r is not the suitable synth for that...

Thanks for any information,

Pierre