Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    re: .0
    
    If you mean "score" to mean an orchestration of songs broken into
    piano, guitars, bass, drums, etc., then you may be interested in
    the Hal Leonard Publishing series of Beatles albums/songs.
    
    I have seen these at Music Workshop (Salem, NH) and other music
    stores so I think they're pretty easy to get/order.  Most recently,
    these have been album-oriented such as all of Sgt. Pepper, the Past
    Masters vol. 1 and 2 (matching music for the CDs of the same name).
    While they may not be "perfect" duplications of the Beatles'
    arrangments, they are easier to work from than a strict "piano only"
    sheet music version, especially for sequencing.
    
    I have  one of the older versions which were "Red", "Green", etc. that
    features a mixture of songs.  The one I have has Back in the USSR
    and 3 or 4 more; I think it's the "Red" one.
    
    - John - 

    re Hal Leonard Beatle books.. a guy I work with picked some up at
    the Berklee music store last time we was in Boston.  Looked VERY
    good to me.
    
    You might get other responses from the DREGS::MUSIC conference.
    
    karl

	I guess I should have been more explicit in saying that
	I do have the Hal Lenard books (I couldn't remember the name).
	These are great, and it has been using them that has gotten me
	really hooked. I was hoping that there were more out there like
	these.

	From the Hal Lenard books, So far I have sequenced...

		Let it Be
		Lady Madonna
		Strawberry Fields Forever
		Please Please Me
		Back in the USSR

		and I'm still goin strong. I'll probably do all
		four books. But, I'd like to have some variety.

	Are there any other publishers similar to the Hal Lenard stuff.

Addicted,
Rick

    Most music stores carry anthologies of sheet music for specific
    groups.  I have such anthologies for the Beatles ("The Complete
    Beatles"), the Doors, The Beach Boys, Tom Petty, Elvis,
    The Rolling Stones, and numerous oldies compilations.
    
    I don't remember who the publishers are, but a few calls to your
    neighborhood music stores should give you some candidates worth
    visiting.
    
    len.
    

Len,

	I have quite a collection of Anthologies. The problem
	is that I find that they are only approximations of the
	original music, and they are missing a lot of the music
	(eg; drums, bass lines, synths, guitar leads) Because
	of this, I have to do way too much interpretation and
	"reading between the lines".

	The melody line is usually a conglomeration of the vocal
	line, and a quasi-piano line, mixed togather in an strange way.
	For example, I have an anthology book for the "Doors".
	It has two parts written out, the bass line and a
	line under the words. The line acompaning the words is
	a mix of the vocal notes, and the quasi-piano interpretation.
	The bass lines are typically very simplified.

	The problem is, if you try and sequence note for note, you
	end up with instruments colliding with a vocalist.
	It takes hours of experimentation, and listening to
	the orginal recording to get things even reasonably close.

	It also takes a long time to get the drum parts straight, because
	you have to listen to a few measures, sequence it, then 
	listen again over and over. Even with a CD player in repeat mode, it
	can be tedious. Some of the Hal Lenard scores can have as many
	as 30 different variations of percussion measures. Thats a
	lot of information to be guessing at if you don't have the
	written music.

	Scores (of the Hal Lenard variety), have the individual instruments 
	and vocal lines written as seperate staffs. 
	And, they are significantly more precise in documenting
	the actual line of each instrument, and the relationship between 
	them.

	With a score, I can sequence a reasonably complicated song
	in a a couple of hours, but trying to "interpret" the simplifications
	of most anthologies can somtimes take an order of magnitude
	longer, and often I never get it quite right.

	What I really want, is scores of the Hal Lenard quality and
	completeness. I might be wishing up the wrong tree.

Rick

    Hmm - I assumed what I have is about as good as it gets.  I've never
    seen any sheet music that had individual instrumental parts broken
    out, and you're right, it does take a fair amount of work, using
    the sheet music as a guide, to come up with an "accurate" sequence.
    I'm so used to working out the drum part, bass line, lead breaks,
    etc. by ear that I didn't realize you were looking for the whole
    thing.  But it's better than having to do *everything* by ear (being
    a drummer, the drum and bass parts are usually pretty easy for me
    to figure out - it's the keyboard and guitar parts that take me
    time, and the chords in the sheet music help a lot in that regard).
    
    len.
    

In the UK, I've been using Rock Scores published by Wise Publications.
These generally have drums, vocal, bass, E. guitar(s), keyboards, for
the songs.  All of the guitars have both TAB and normal notation.

They have been written for small groups.  

I believe they have been created using a notation package. (can't tell which
one?)

Here is info on the groups:

1) Billy Joel Rock Score UK ISBN - 0.7119.1426.5
   
   A matter of trust, honesty, just the way you are, my life,
   pressure, the stranger, uptown girl, you may be right.

2) The Beatles Rock Score UK ISBN - 0.7119.0557.6

   A hard days night, all my loving, day tripper, I feel fine,
   I want to hold your hand, If I fell, Let it be, Paperback writer,
   Please Please me, She Loves you, Something, Yesterday

3) Huey Lewis and the News Rock Score UK ISBN 0.1779.1483.4

   Doin'it (all for my baby), do you believe in love?, Hope you love
   me like you say you do, if this is it, I want a new
   drug, stuck with you, the power of love, whole lotta lovin'.

----  I don't have the rest ...

4) AC/DC Rock Score.
5) Iron Maiden Rock Score.
6) Ritchie Blackmore Rock Score.
7) The Rolling Stones Rock Score.
8) Bruce Springsteen Rock Score.
9) Bon Jovi Rock Score.
10) Phil Collins Rock Score.

I've tried a few of the Billy Joel, and Beatles songs using PRO-24 with
TR626, FB01 and CLP-50 Piano and they sound reasonably good!

If you cannot find them in the states, let me know and I'll try to help on
this end.  They cost about 7 pounds each in Reading, UK.

Regards,
Bruce

This address can be used to order the Hal Leonard Transcribed 
music scores.

	Hal Leonard Publishing Corporation
	P.O Box 13919, Milwaukee, WI 53213, USA

The following is paraphrased from the advertisement in the back of
the "Beatles Green Book". There was a note that said that not
all material is available outside of the USA, and that prices
may change. I didn't proof read this, so there may be typographical
errors. Your best bet is to find the books at your local music
store, or contact the publisher.

The Beatles scores include bass, percussion, keyboards, lead and
backing vocal lines, and a synth track that usually covers all
added instruments, such as brass, sax, violins, cello's etc.

The Beatles - The Blue Book			00674280 $9.95
	Can't Buy Me love, Day Tripper, Here Comes the Sun,
	Hey Jude, Lady Madonna, Penny Lane,
	Yesterday.

The Beatles - The Red Book			00675422  $9.95
	All you need is Love, Back in the USSR,
	Good Day Sunshine,The Long and Winding Road, Michelle,
	Paperback Writer, Please Please Me.

The Beatles - The Green Book			00673395   $9.95
	Come Togather, Got to Get You into My Life,
	I Saw Her Standing There, In MY Life, Let It Be,
	Strawberry Fields Forever, Ticket to Ride.

The Beatles - The Yellow Book			00673145    $9.95
	A Day in the Life, Eight Days a Week, Eleanor Rigby,
	Hard Days Night, Hello Goodbye, I Feel Fine, Something

Others...

The Best of Blood Sweat and Tears		00673208    $14.95
	Vocals, brass, sax, keyboard, synth lines
	for auxiliary instruments.		
	Seven songs.
	
The Best of Spyro Gyra				00675170    $14.95
	Complete note for note for sax, keyboards, mallet,
	guitar, precussion/drums.
	10 tunes.

Yellowjackets - Four Corners			00675800    $14.95
	"Complete instrument for instrument"
	Jazz/FUsion - 10 songs from "Mile High" LP.

Wes Montgomery Guitar Transcriptions		00675536    $14.95
	(I think this is guitar only)

Best Of Weather Report				00675520    $14.95
	14 songs. Did not mention that this is a complete
	transcription

/Rick

	a source for the Hal Leonard books is Rock_It Records in Nashua NH
just a coupla doors down from Daddy's  -  -  -  not that *_I'd_* ever go in
either place, I just happen to know this :-)

	R

    [This is UK-based]
    
    	There used to be (still is ?) a Manchester/B'ham company called
    POP-PLAN who specialised in writing pop scores. These were intended for
    resident dance bands.
    	Well, this stuff was the definitive version of what you heard on
    the record. I don't remember how many times I heard "Ah *that's* what
    it is" from a muso inspecting his part. The musical quality of these
    scores was excellent (I heard that they used a variable-speed tape with
    EQ, etc, when transcribing). Mistakes/typos were unheard-of. 
    Unfortunately, due to their fine detail on the playing, reading them
    was no easy matter.
    
    ..for what it's worth...
    Jim Burke
    	When I was gigging in a

    This may sound silly, but try a library.  Spend an evening in one
    of the good music libraries (Boston Conservatory, for starters).
    I'm not really up on music schools even in this area, but I'm sure
    you could find a couple that have good libraries.
    
    Either bring lots of dimes for the copy machine, or a large pad
    so you can write down the addresses of all those different publishers.
    
    Dave

    Hi!
    
    	I just wanted to update this note about scores to say that some of
    the Jimi Hendrix albums now have matching sheet music books that have
    the individual guitar, bass, and drum parts printed in different
    sections of the book.  These are allegedly "recorded versions" but
    haven't yet checked them for the right key, accuracy, etc.  (As if I
    can really play any of it even with the score sitting in front of me.)
    
    	I just got the "score" to Electric Ladyland earlier in the week as
    a birthday present.  I believe the cover says it US$24.95.  I've also
    seen some of the other albums but can't remember exactly which ones.
    
    This should make for some sequencing fun.
    
    - John -

    
    
    How do you write a score for sticking the axe round the back of
    your neck and wigglng your tongue suggestively whilst ripping the
    whammy bar about ?
    
    Impressive live though !
    
    Manchester (the real Manchester) University
    Freshers Ball 68
    
    					Paul. 

    RE .13
    
    How very coarse. Nevertheless, I imagine if you hurled enough
    cash at it you could persuade some sort of monster-midi machine
    to emulate it. 
    
    I didn't realise that was you up there with your tongue hanging out,
    Paul.
    
    Richard. 

    I wonder if Finale could notate that style of score????
    
    

    
    Why?

	Hey, glad to see some activity in this note. re..-3.
	Hendrix... Boggles the mind. Of course just having
	a decent drum track for that kind of stuff,
	would be helpful in trying
	to reproduce that sound., even if you couldn't get all of the
	guitar antics on paper. 

	Btw, I recently ran across a score for Led Zep.

	Called "off the Record". Drum, bass, Guitar and vocal lines are
	well documented for 6 songs. Guitar is in Tab.

	Heartbreaker, Stairway to Heaven, Black Dog, Immigrant Song,
	Whole Lotta Love, Rock 'n Roll. 

	Try it, You'll like it.

	Keep them cards and letters commin'.

Rick

I have the Electric LadyLand score. I have done 3 or 4 songs from it.
They are very accurate in the area of drums and bass lines. I don't even
attempt the guitar lines, except for some key phrases.

The two Hendrix covers, Foxey Lady, and Fire, that I submitted to COMMUSIC
VIII had the drum and bass lines transcribed from this score, to MC300/MT32/-
Proteus.

I thought that they would be wild, and they are!

But, I still can't can't seem to play my sequencer with my teeth!

Regards,
Rick

    There is a book out that contains some pretty accurate[1] transcriptions
    of Steely Dan tunes...
    
    Edd
    
    [1] The drum part to "aja" wasn't all that accurate. Surprisingly, the
    manic drumming (you know the part!) was good except for the
    stick-click.

Do you know the publisher, what the cover looks like etc. so that I could
identify it if I saw it. I'm addicted to these rock scores.  I have
one by Sting, one by U2, one by Spyro Gyra, Billy Joel. I don;t even
have to like the music, as long as it is reasonably accurate.

But, I sure do like Steely Dan.

I have done one Steely Dan tune, PEG. It was in a short lived magazine
called Rock Scores. I tried to get a subscription, but it was defunct.
Too bad. The scores were real fine, and cheaper than the score books.

I'll have to submit Peg to the next COMMUSIC tape. Or maybe Spyro Gyra
"Incognito" at about 8 mins, or maybe "Freetime", or maybe stairway to heaven.
or maybe... or maybe...

Regards,
From a Score maniac, who probably is one because he lacks the creativity to
 write much original.

    > I'll have to submit Peg to the next COMMUSIC...
    
    I guess I'll have to raise the stakes and submit my cover of
    "aja"...;^)
    
    I forget the name/publisher of the book, but I've seen it at Union
    Music and Strawberries. It is NOT the red and white songbook titled
    "The Great Songs Of Steely Dan"...
    
    It has "aja", "Deacon Blues", "Kid Charlemagne" and others...
    
    Edd

          ...picky, picky picky, Edd!!! 
    
          Anyways, I picked up a copy of the Steely Dan transcription book
    at Rockit Records in Nashua, NH. I tell ya, it is GREAT fun to go
    through some of these! It's even got that horn lick in ' My Old School'
    that comes right after the line ..'California,,,tumbles into the sea'
    (ba di da di da di da di da di DUM) played in 16th notes. Could never
    quite get that lick by ear...
    
             Have fun,
    
                     Frank

Nashua, now that's not to far to drive for another Rock_score, so
here I come.

Frank, do you have some crude directions about the whereabouts of
Rockit Records In Nashua. I know Nashua, but don;t know where Rockit is.
A street name, or part of town would probably get me there.

Thanks,
Rick


Edd - You're on. I'll submit Peg, you sumbit "aja".

re           <<< Note 1990.23 by ROBOT::RYEN "Rick Ryen 247-2552 TWO" >>>
>                            -< Nashua here I come >-


> Nashua, now that's not to far to drive for another Rock_score, so
> here I come.

> Frank, do you have some crude directions about the whereabouts of
> Rockit Records In Nashua. I know Nashua, but don;t know where Rockit is.
> A street name, or part of town would probably get me there.

	You SERIOUS ?

	1)	Head for MIDI-Mecca

	2)	Instead of entering the front doors of Nashua's 
		greatest money sink, turn left at the very last second.

	3)	Continue along the sidewalk for about 60ft., open the
		door on your right and enter.  Pass through a chrome
		tube arch-way - don't worry, this is NOT an airport
		security check. 

	4)	Avoid the doorway of midi-mecca when you leave.


	Reg

PS  
$MIDI-Mecca.Nashua:==Daddy$ ;  right opposite the Peasant Brain Mall

    Re: Rick
    
        <--- what he said (ULTRA::BURGESS) 
    
        
                  ... i think !!!     8^) 8^)
    
    Frank

>	2)	Instead of entering the front doors of Nashua's 
>		greatest money sink, turn left at the very last second.


Gad, were you right. I should have paid attention to ya Reg.
I dropped $85 on scores (Led Zepplin, albums 1-4!),
and $30 in midi-mecca on a used  Anatek Pocket Pedal!
Almost succumed to another $80 for a volume pedal to go with it, but
just barely resisted.

Talk to ya next fall, after I get done step-time sequencing the 1st 4
Led Zep albums! Jeeze, I went there for a Steely Dan score, but I didn't
see it. Guess I'll have to make another trip sometime. Better leave the old
gold card at home.

'Been dazed and confused, for so long it's not true. Wanted a ......." ...
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