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| 1989.1 | How much???? | CSC32::M_MOSHER | WE ARE HERE TO GO | Thu May 11 1989 11:11 | 6 |
| Anyone know what the price will be????
Mark
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| 1989.2 | | HAMER::COCCOLI | L<>7 | Thu May 11 1989 18:30 | 7 |
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In the ad, Kawai states " of course, It's more expensive than
the k1".
My guess is $200 more than the K1(r), which will bring it up to
the D10(110) range.
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| 1989.3 | Need comparison | ZYDECO::MCABEE | Learning the First Noble Truth | Wed Dec 12 1990 12:26 | 10 |
| I need to buy a keyboard and I've had two suggestions from friends.
I'd be grateful if someone could give me a comparison of these two models:
Kawai K1-II and Rhodes 660
I'm particularly interested in the quality of the canned piano and harpsichord
voices. Also I'm not sure I understand the differences in specs. The Kawai
seems to have two different types of stored voices??
Bob
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| 1989.4 | K1 series, not a piano, not very flexible, but good sounding. | RANGER::EIRIKUR | Eir�kur Hallgr�msson | Wed Dec 12 1990 13:36 | 25 |
| The K1-II is just a K1 with reverb and a seperate drum MIDI channel.
The two types of voices are singles and multis, much like other modern
multi-timbral instruments. You combine singles (and define the splits, layers,
velocity-switch, etc) to get a multi.
Piano sounds... I've never heard a general-purpose good piano sound out of a K1
series instruments. I have about half a dozen piano singles, each of which has
an octave or two of usable range--one could probably put together a pretty good
multi. I don't use multis, so I haven't looked into this. There might be one
available somewhere.
A K1 voice is essentially four oscillators (two in "cheap" mode) each of which
plays one of the built-in (can't take cards) samples. The samples are
single-cycle waveforms, one-shots like drums and attacks, and loops. There are
only six (? not sure, few) loops. There is no filter for velocity control of
brightness on a piano patch--though you might be able to get there with a multi
that had differing velocity sensitivity on a couple of singles.
It's not really the right instrument for piano sounds. It does have an
incredibly clean audio path. Sounds based on the single-cycle waveforms, or
ring-modulation are some of the best that I have heard. The samples are only
eight bit, but companded so that they make the most of it.
Eirikur
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| 1989.5 | Rhodes 660 = Supercharged U20? | AQUA::ROST | Stevie Ray Fretnoise | Wed Dec 12 1990 15:50 | 6 |
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The Rhodes 660 is a weird beast. It's sort of a souped-up Roland U20
(do dir/key=U20, dir/key=U110, dir/key=U220 for more on this family).
The piano will sound much more realistic than anything a K1-II can do.
Brian
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| 1989.6 | | ZYDECO::MCABEE | Learning the First Noble Truth | Wed Dec 12 1990 17:33 | 8 |
| Thanks. Anybody know if the 660 has a harpsichord voice?
I'm also thingking about the 760. It looks like the same beast with 76 keys.
Any opinions about what would have good piano and harpsichord voices in the
same price neighborhood?
Bob
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| 1989.7 | | ZYDECO::MCABEE | Learning the First Noble Truth | Wed Dec 12 1990 18:00 | 20 |
| > <<< Note 1989.5 by AQUA::ROST "Stevie Ray Fretnoise" >>>
> -< Rhodes 660 = Supercharged U20? >-
> The Rhodes 660 is a weird beast. It's sort of a souped-up Roland U20
What's weird about it? I don't know if I want to buy a weird beast.
I want to satisfy my wife's need for a portable piano/harpsichord and my son's
need for a whiz-bang instrument with lots of voices, some effects and some
ability to alter the voices...without buying two instruments. Should I really
be looking at something that's more of a synthesizer?
I'm a stringed instrument player who's unfamiliar with modern keyboard
concepts. I am familiar with the underlying computer/signal-processing
concepts, but not with the specific applications in the music world.
Thanks for any help.
Bob
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| 1989.8 | Another K1-II opinion | TLE::TLET8::ASHFORTH | | Mon Dec 17 1990 09:05 | 24 |
| I'm a pianist first, although I also claim some chops on recorder, pennywhistle,
guitar, and synth/pipe organ (yes, there *is* a difference!).
I use the K1-II for practicing liturgical organ music, piano music for use with
our choir, and my own compositions/diddlings on synth voices. I've found it to
be acceptable in terms of organ, piano and harpsichord emulation. However,to
paraphrase a former VP candidate, "I've played grand pianos, Mr. Kawai, and
you're no grand piano!"
I wouldn't say your wife would have any trouble differentiating between the
K1-II and the real thing for either piano or harpsichord, but it's "close
enough" if you want a lot of bang for the buck and a combination "piano-
harsichord-organ-synth" for cheaps. If I were in the market today, though, there
seems to be a lot more competition in its price range than there was when I
bought it. The Yamaha vector synthesis series, for instance (SY22, SY55, SY77)
seems intriguing, though I haven't heard one.
If you're going for *perfect* piano imitation, from what I've heard and read it
sounds like you'd be better off getting *any* keyboard you like the feel of and
getting the Emu "grand piano in a box" Proteus thingy.
Good luck-
Bob
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