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If anyone has more info on CUBIT please post.  I saw an ad and short
blurb in KEYBOARD (and a sample screen) and it looked quite interesting.
Within a year I would like to get a sequencer with some notational capabilities
for data entry and manipulation.  Does CUBIT do this?  The sample screen
leads me to believe it does.  NOtator does and I am leaning heavily
towards Notator.

Chad

    
    
    I can also get a copy of the PD demo if anyone is interested ? Atari
    based of course.
    
    							Paul

re: demo

yes Please.

thanks

Chad

    Paul , would love to get the demo as well.

    Re: CUBIT, do you know if it will read PRO24 III files (Songs/Patterns)
    and if the same upgrade service is available as with the PRO24 III ?

    My only concern would be the fact that this will be V1.0 but the idea
    of a "trade-up" is an attractive one. I am in consideration-mode. The
    demo should help.

    Zayed

    
    
    I took delivery of CUBASE on friday. Note the change of name.
    Apparently ICL (Who?) have an office product called CUBIT so CUBASE
    it is. 
    
    Yes it will read PRO-24 songfiles..
    
    So far it looks brilliant, real cut and paste song arranging at last.
    No printing of scores though which is a surprise and a step backwards.
    I would say that if you are currently a 24 user then it is worth
    the upgrade. I am not sure that on it's own it would justify the
    500 or so pounds. Steinberg will be updating all the Synthworks
    programs to be M-ROS compatible so if you have a MEGA-st you can
    multi-task the librarians and the sequencer.
    
    I haven't got time for a full review any questions ?
    
    I have the demo/tutorial. It will take hours to upload. any one
    need it ?
    
    						Paul
    

     Hi Paul,

     Just got my upgrade!     I'm impressed!  Much easier to use!

     I like the realtime music displays too!

     Only one problem!     I've got a color monitor!


     and CUBASE only works on a high resolution black and white monitor!

     
     Not another expense!!!(*&%^^&*%&^%$&^%$&^%

     Bruce

    
    
    I am still learning "CUBASE".
    
    I have found a function that got me really excited so I thought
    I'd post here for comments.
    
    CUBASE comes with  a  Desk Accessory called Satellite. Satellite
    can be called from any program but is specifically designed to work
    with CUBASE. It allows you to call up voicebanks from Steinberg Voice
    editors. Fortunately I have these for most of my instruments.  You
    can then post individual voices to any synth from satellite. You
    can also make basic changes to the voices via a set of graphic sliders
    and mouse. These changes are basic tymbral changes like
    attack-decay-fatness-Brightness etc. There are 10 sliders for each
    synth type. The system pushes these changes through sysex to the
    synth via the designated midi-channel. Having arrived at a sound
    that you are happy with, you can then post the new sound through
    to CUBASE which records the patch in sysex format on the active
    track at the current location.  
    
    Neat or what?
    
    
    					Paul.

    Got mine upgrade this weekend. First impressions are that the
    documentation is amazingly good and aplenty. I spent about three hours
    just reading through it before running the program.

    Music editing has now incorporated both the PRO24 grid and the PRO16
    (of commodore days and still my preferred one) with a piano grid
    running down the side and the notes that scroll over the keys. Real
    easy.

    I also like the ability to defined your own instrument set up (which
    track talks to which instrument on which midi channel) and be able to
    save this and get it loaded every time you boot.

    But hit my first problem soon after when trying to load a PRO24 Song.
    It came back with "Internal Code Error 22924" and began mis-behaving.

    Booted again and tried to load another song and that worked. So at the
    moment it looks like I may get to some of my songs but not all.

    Will start hassling Steingberg (I have their number in Germany) to find
    more.

    But still, this is getting to be one complete package. I'm impressed.

    Zayed
    

    Turns out (according the the Steiberg "hotline" in the UK) that PRO24
    was not detecting that a file was "corrupted" when loading and that
    when it was later saved, the corruption was propagated. So along comes
    CUBASE, detects this problem and returns an error.

    It seems that the loading routines in CUBASE have been corrected and
    that a version with the fix is available but still as V1.0 and not say.
    V1.1 or V1.0-001 ...

    To find out what version you're using, hold down the CTRL-SHIFT-HELP
    keys. CUBASE will display the date the software was built. If the date
    is earlier than the 13th of June 1989 then you've got an old version
    and there is a new one available ! (I'll be trying this tonight).

    I also asked about any features that are known not to be working 
    and there are two big bugs:

    - Human Sync: Don't use the transport controls when using Human Sync.
      This will make the system crash (first thing I'm trying when I get
      home tonight)

    - Cycle Record: Don't set the auto-quantization on when recording. It
      may take half an hour for it to complete the quantization.

    I may not be 100% accurate with the descriptions above  as I just got
    this over the phone, and I've only used CUBASE for a few minutes. 


    Zayed (who expected problems with V1.0 but that's life)

     CUBASE 1.5 has been available since Christmas ...

     Seems to work fine ... and has some new features..
     with a number of minor additions and fixes.

     Some new CUBASE features..

        M.ROS:  

        The OS now has drivers for various hardware such as
        Fostex MTC-1/R-8, Steinberg MIDEX and MIDEX + (both new), and
        C-Lab Unitor.  Also some references to Mac system usage
        so a Mac version may be available soon.

        Dynamic MIDI Manager Window:

        A graphical way to set parameters over MIDI, useful for
        effects and mixer boxes. (you can make your own display!)

        Some others:

        Support for 19 inch monitors, auto save, mouse speeder,
        more quantize modes, chord recognition and display,

     Some new Steinberg HW goodies ...

        MIDEX:

        4-midi outs and 2-midi ins
        4-ROM post expander slots

        MIDEX +:

        Same as MIDEX, plus
        Timecode synchronizer (SMPTE/EBU formats - IN/OUT)
             
     Regards,
     Bruce

>        Dynamic MIDI Manager Window:
>
>        A graphical way to set parameters over MIDI, useful for
>        effects and mixer boxes. (you can make your own display!)

I got my V1.5 update a few days ago and this was a very impressive feature.
To elaborate a bit more: from a set of shapes (fader, rotary swich, on/off 
buttons ...etc) you select which of these objects you want and define what midi
messages (sys. ex.included) they send out when you alter their settings.

You can then "build" a panel of these shapes/objects to do all kind of
manipulations to your SGU's. 

These manipulations can be recorded as either a static situation (e.g. set
mix volumes/panning/timbre at the start of a song) or in real time while the
music is playing.

Snapshots may be taken of current settings and these are iconized allowing
you to come back to these settings later.

The created panel may be saved independantly of the music thus allowing
such a set up to be retrieved and used on other peices/songs.

I would certainly recommend CUBASE to anyone looking for sequencing software
on the Atarist (there may even be a version out for the Amiga - I'm not sure.)

Zayed

    I have copied the Cubase For Macintosh demo version into MIDIlib.
    MIDI::A$:[MIDILIB.DEPOSIT], but it will undoubtedly soon be moved
    by Dan to a proper location.
    
    This is probably not identical to the release version (it doesn't use
    MIDI Manager).  I'll know when I receive my real copy, and post what's
    different.

    	Eirikur
    
    (I called Steinberg/Jones and received permission to post this.)

    It's now in:
    
    MIDI::A$:[MIDILIB.TOOLS.MAC]
    
    -Dan