Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    Perhaps this is a good place to begin this discussion. I'm asking
    the more drum savvy users out there (LEN????) to help me with
    this concept...     
    
    I was reading an article in MIX mag (latest issue) where the author
    was essentially criticising most/many drum programmers for thier
    lack of variation etc...and talking about the approach he uses to
    'fool' the public into thinking that a machine is a real drummer.
    One comment that he made was about rolls. Essentaily what he said
    was that in a good tight roll there are usually about 4 seperate
    rhythms/dynamics going on at once and that he spent a great deal
    of time programming a library of rolls to use in the studio. Now
    I've never been able to get a decent roll out of either of my drum
    machines and so I'd like to ask you genuii to help me with this...
    
    dbii

    I'd love to see some examples of other rolls. I've been collecting
    drum patterns for quite a while & never tire of variations. Does
    anyone else have any other favorites (like a good Reggae that would
    work on a TR-XXX, the ones that I've tried to come up with are not as
    exciting as I'd hoped for).

						    Jens

    When len reads this he'll say (amongst other things) that dynamics
    in a roll is very important due to "weak arm - strong arm" factors.
    
    I get, to my ears, a satisfactory roll by varying the accent level
    in a down-up-down fashion
    
                     1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * 4 * * *
         Accent Lev          8               8 5 7 4
            Snare            *               * * * *
    
    ...this is a 1/16 roll for 1 beat starting on 4.
    
    Edd

    I've not been able to squeeze a decent roll out of my TR-505. 
    Doesn't sound natural because the sample cuts off.  But, if/when
    I do need a roll, I'll probably use my sampler ...
    
    Steve

    I've been able to get some very convincing snare rolls out of my
    EMAX by assigning the snare sound, NONtransposed (don't change the
    pitch based on key number), to four or five adjacent keys. It also 
    helps to have velocity mapped to volume and FCO (harder/sharper) 
    or to volume and pitch (harder/higher).
    
    Thus a snare roll is just a 4-or-5 finger roll away.  When I examine
    the MIDI stream using Performer's Edit window I find some strong-finger
    / weak-finger variations in velocity.  
    
    karl

    Interesting.  I made a conscious effort on my latest effort to
    incorporate drum riffs you don't usually hear on a drum machine
    either because it's hard or tedious to do:
    
    The tune has:
    
    	o A crescendo roll on a ride cymbal
    
    	o Lots of flams (found a good flam on the HR-16 demo)
    
    	o Snare rolls (use the FILL key Dave, with quant=1/32 or so
          depending on the tempo, then edit the velocities
          in step mode
    
    	o Hand muted crash (HR-16 trick)
    
    	o Bell shots (builtin sound on the HR-16)
    
    	o Bell trees (sampler)
    
    These things DO make it sound more realistic - they are almost like
    a breath of fresh air when *I* listen to them.  However, I'm still
    stalled on the basic drum riffs to go around them --- sigh....
    
    	db

    The EMAX does a neat muted/truncated crash cymbal when it runs out
    of voices (*SIGH*)

    I program all my drum trax into the ST (use my HR16 for SGU only). One
    of the best ways I've found to get convincing rolls is to set up
    the MIDI chain as follows:

	KX76 ---> HR16 (echo MIDI notes ON) --> Atari ST

    I then use both the keyboard AND the HR to play rolls using both hands.
    As the HR is limited to 8 velocity levels (16, 32, 48, 64, 80, 96, 112,
    127) and the KX is not, I get the "strong arm" effect, plus I can avoid
    quantizing most of the time. 

-b

RE: .7 (muted cymbal crash)

    I'm assuming that db� used his HR as follows: assign open hihat to
    crash cymbal, assign closed hihat to foot closed hihat.  Then use the
    "note cutoff" of these pads to "mute" the crash (about 1/32 beat after
    the crash).  True? 

    I just did this last week and it sounds very good.  Also noticed
    looping noise with the crash tuned to -5.  8-(

-b

    Uncle Brad, can you verify that the HR will only *respond* to 8
    velocity levels? I was under the impression that only 8 were 
    programmable/editable, but that it responded via MIDI to a much
    wider range....
    
    Edd

    db can you say more about how you did the cresendo on the cymbol?
    
    guess I've ben playing too much guitar and neglecting my HR...:_)
    
    dbii

    re: .9
    
    > I'm assuming db used his HR as follows:... True?
    
    Yep, that's it.  I described it in more detail somewhere in the
    HR-16 note awhile back.
    
    re: .11
    
    If I remember correctly, the way I did the crescendo on the cymbal
    was to set the quantum level to something somewhere between 1/16 and
    1/24, then use the FILL key (a highly underrated key) to put the
    ride cymbal hits into the right place.
    
    Then I edited the velocities of those ride cymbal to be a cresendo.
    I seem to recall that you don't want it to go up steadily, but rather
    in spurts like (1-1-3-3-3-6-6-6...) so that it sounds more natural.
    
    Then on the last hit a layer a crash cymbal hit with velocity 1.
    The initial attach of the crash is covered over by the last ride
    hit, but the crash has a longer decay and so the overall effect
    is that the crash hit adds a sort of ending "shimmer" to the sound.
    
    I think I also described this one in the HR-16 note.
    
    	db
    
    

    All of what's ben said is here is right on.
    
    As Edd said, the main thing is dynamics.  Doing the dynamics right
    requires understanding how drummers "stick" a fill or roll.
    
    [Most of what we've been talking about I'd call "fills" rather than
    "rolls", but the distinction is somewhat arbitrary.]
    
    With respect to dynamics, there are at least three contributing
    factors: hand, bounce, and accent.  Thus, for a right handed drummer,
    the right hand is stronger than the left hand.  The second or bounce
    stroke of a double stroke is not as strong as the first.  And finally,
    accented strokes are louder than unaccented strokes.  It's much
    more difficult to accent a bounce stroke than a single stroke or
    the first stroke of a double stroke.  Thus, you have to understand
    how the fill would be sticked; which hand, double or single strokes
    (which can be mixed in paradiddles), and where the accents are.
    
    Then, a real fill involves striking the drumhead in different places,
    resulting in subtle variations in the drum's timbre.  Also, the
    left and right sticks themselves sound different (because of physical
    differences in the sticks and the way they're held) and this will
    also affect the timbre.
    
    Furthermore, real drums don't choke their vibration and start all over
    again when struck repeatedly; the sound of successive strokes adds to
    the decaying sound of previous strokes, probably in a nonlinear
    fashion.  This is a problem with most drum machines, and several
    replies have already noted techniques to partially address this problem.
    
    Finally, there are subtle timing differences between strokes that
    give the fill a "non-robotic" feel.  This is probably the least well
    understood aspect of doing realistic sounding fills with a drum
    machine/sequencer combination.
    
    len.
                         

RE: .-1 (len on subtle tempo variations)

    One of the reasons playing with 2 hands from two different sources is
    such a good thing for me.  I'm no mega-drummer, but I can get by on a
    kit ... having "multiple pads" (even if they are plastic) helps a lot
    in alleviating robotic rhythms. 

RE: .10 (Eddrick)

    HR puts out only 8 levels (when playing from pads on the machine
    itself), but does indeed respond to a much finer granularity; seems to
    me t'was 32 divisions of 128 (U can figure out the exact values). 

-b

    Best thing to do is sample Len doing a selection of paradiddledoobries.
    Drum rolls seem very easy to loop/crossloop, and sound very convincing
    done this way -- much more so than using a drum box with individual
    drum hit samples.
    
    Richard.

    Actually, I think it would great if Len or someone sorta put together
    a high quality tape of these kinds of drum things that folks could
    sample.
    
    If I was to get such a tape, I might volunteer to put together 
    an S-550 disk with these samples.
    
    	db

	Since not two manufacturers seem to like to use the same
	Drum assignments, I thought it might be handy to list the
	ones that I know about. If you have a different drum machine,
	please list it in here, in the same manner. I suspect that
	someone might, at some time, desire to write a translator
	such that sequences from one machine can be converted to another
	via a personal computer & then loaded into the desired sequencer.

							Jens


	Drum Machine default drum sound assignments. This will use
	the same terminology as the user guides for the given devices,
	as well as the name of the drum sound that is used in the 
	documentation.


	Cross reference and general information:

		C1 = Lowest note on CZ-101

		    Midi Note/Midi Number/Keyboard Key

			B0	=  #35  =  [_____
			C1	=  #36	=  [_____
			C#1/Db1 =  #37  =    ====
			D1	=  #38	=  [_____
			D#1/Eb1 =  #39	=    ====
			E1	=  #40	=  [_____	
			F1	=  #41	=  [_____
			F#1/Gb1	=  #42	=    ====
			G1	=  #43	=  [_____
			G#1/Ab1 =  #44	=    ====
			A1	=  #45	=  [_____
			A#1/Bb1 =  #46	=    ====
			B1	=  #47	=  [_____
			C2	=  #48	=  [_____
			C#2/Db2 =  #49	=    ====
			D2	=  #50	=  [_____
			D#2/Eb2 =  #51	=    ====
			E2	=  #52	=  [_____
			F2	=  #53	=  [_____
			F#2/Gb2	=  #54	=    ====
			G2	=  #55	=  [_____
			G#2/Ab2 =  #56	=    ====
			A2	=  #57	=  [_____
			A#2/Bb2 =  #58	=    ====
			B2	=  #59	=  [_____
	Middle C ----->	C3	=  #60	=  [_____
			C#3/Db3 =  #61	=    ====
			D3	=  #62	=  [_____
			D#3/Eb3 =  #63	=    ====
			E3	=  #64	=  [_____
			F3	=  #65	=  [_____
			F#3/Gb3	=  #66	=    ====
			G3	=  #67	=  [_____
			G#3/Ab3 =  #68	=    ====
			A3	=  #69	=  [_____
			A#3/Bb3 =  #70	=    ====
			B3	=  #71	=  [_____
			C4	=  #72	=  [_____
			C#4/Db4 =  #73	=    ====
			D4	=  #74	=  [_____
			D#4/Eb4 =  #75	=    ====
			E4	=  #76	=  [_____
			F4	=  #77	=  [_____
			F#4/Gb4	=  #78	=    ====
			G4	=  #79	=  [_____
			G#4/Ab4 =  #80	=    ====
			A4	=  #81	=  [_____
			A#4/Bb4 =  #82	=    ====
			B4      =  #83	=  [_____



	TR-505 Roland Note/Number/Assignment  

		NOTE: Defaults to MIDI channel 10, Can be reassigned

		#35 -  B0       -  Bass Drum
		#37 -  C#1/Bb1  -  Rim Shot
		#38 -  D1       -  Snare
		#41 -  F1       -  Low Tom
		#45 -  A1       -  Mid Tom
		#48 -  C2       -  Hi Tom

		#42 -  F#1/Gb1  -  Closed Hi Hat
		#46 -  A#1/Bb1  -  Open Hi Hat
		#49 -  C#2/Db2  -  Crash Cymbol
		#51 -  D#2/Eb2  -  Ride Cymbol

		#39 -  D#1/Eb1  -  Hand Clap

		#62 -  D3	-  Hi Conga
		#63 -  D#3/Eb3  -  Low Conga

		#65 -  F3       -  Timbale

		#67 -  G3       -  Hi Cowbell
		#68 -  G#3/Ab3  -  Low Cowbell


	MT-32 Roland Note/Number/Assignment  

		NOTE: Hardcoded on MIDI channel 10

		#35 -  B0       -  Acoustic Bass Drum
		#36 -  C1       -  Acoustic Bass Drum
		#37 -  C#1/Bb1  -  Rim Shot
		#38 -  D1       -  Acoustic Snare
		#40 -  E1       -  Electric Snare
		#41 -  F1       -  Acoustic Low Tom
		#43 -  G1       -  Acoustic Low Tom
		#45 -  A1       -  Acoustic Mid Tom
		#47 -  B1       -  Acoustic Mid Tom
		#48 -  C2       -  Acoustic Hi Tom
		#50 -  D2       -  Acoustic Hi Tom

		#42 -  F#1/Gb1  -  Closed Hi Hat
		#44 -  G#1/Ab1  -  Open Hi Hat 2
		#46 -  A#1/Bb1  -  Open Hi Hat 1
		#49 -  C#2/Db2  -  Crash Cymbol
		#51 -  D#2/Eb2  -  Ride Cymbol

		#39 -  D#1/Eb1  -  Hand Clap

		#60 -  C3       -  High Bongo
		#61 -  C#3/Bb3  -  Low Bongo

		#62 -  D3	-  Mt High Conga
		#63 -  D#3/Eb3  -  High Conga
		#64 -  E3       -  Low Conga

		#65 -  F3       -  High Timbale
		#66 -  F#3/Gb3  -  Low Timbale
		#67 -  G3       -  High Agogo
		#68 -  G#3/Ab3  -  Low Agogo
		#69 -  A3       -  Cabasa
		#70 -  A#3/Bb3  -  Maracas
		#71 -  B3       -  Samba Whistle Short
		#72 -  C4       -  Samba Whistle Long
		#73 -  C#4/Db4  -  Quijada
		#75 -  D#4/Eb4  -  Claves

		#54 -  F#2/Gb2  -  Tambourine
		#56 -  G#2/Ab2  -  Cowbell


	SHS-10 Yamaha Note/Number/Assignment  

		NOTE: Hardcoded on MIDI channel 16

		#45 -  A1	-  Bass Drum
		#52 -  E2	-  Snare Drum
		#48 -  C2       -  Tom
		#62 -  D3       -  Cymbal
		#57 -  A2       -  Closed Hi Hat

    Now, can anyone provide any other popular drum patterns. I know that
    I've heard good ones on the COMMUSIC tapes. Any format (as long as
    you explain it to us in similar terms as entry .0) will do!!!

							Jens

    You may find this information for a handfull of drum machines in
    an early note for the drum machine comparison conducted at Uncle
    len's. (I dunno if it was posted on the net or forwarded it directly
    to him, but he had note assignments for 707s, 505s, RX21...
    
    Edd

    Give me a little time and I'll post my "40 representative fills"
    which exists only in hardcopy, if I can find a copy of it...
    
    len.
    

    This really has nothing to do with durm machine patterns, as such,
    but the one thing that bugged me about working with one that we
    had to start every song with some sort of drums.  There are many
    songs where it would be nice to introduce the precussion later in
    the song, but then how could we ensure that we were going to be
    exactly in time when the machine comes in?  Well, what we did was
    to pan all of the actual drums over to one channel, and programmed
    the second channel with repeating 1/4 notes.  We hook the output
    of the 1/4 note channel to an op amp and an LED, and Voila! instant
    visual cueing.  Now we can program a song with as many measures
    as we want consisting of just 'blink' tracks.  Then, when the drums
    actually come in, we're right with them.  
    

    RE .3: you are talking about varying the accent level in a down-up-down
    fashion to perform a realistic roll.
    Is there any way to do this up and down accent variation with the
    TR-505?
    
    What about somebody with good experience over there publishing some
    nice patterns to be used with acoustic jazz music (shuffle, swing, blues,
    bossa...) 
    
    E. (novice with TR-505 and Roland HP-3000s)

    What I've found in the last few days is that with some sort of MIDI
    pad device you can program a drum machine very fast and get what
    I believe to be a very realistic rhythm, even rolls (assuming you
    can play something that approaches a roll to start with).
                 
    
    dbii

    I tried something similar (in fact I borrowed an Octapad to do it
    with), and I'll warn you flat out, if you try to capture that sort of
    data, at normal speed, saving your pattern to an Alesis MMT-8, you are
    going to be dissapointed. I've been told that it is quantizing this
    data for me (how wonderful), however, it must be doing it on 1/Pi beats
    or some other unique quantizing value. I've had 2 MMT-8's display this
    characteristic. It's quite odd that I never have this problem when only
    playing a keyboard (can the MMT-8 sense that?? - naw, I don't think
    so). Weirdly enough, if you quantize it afterwards, the notes that it
    didn't throw away for your (about 30%) seem to be in the correct place.
    This doesn't happen on an ESQ-1.

    Now that you mention jazz, here is a 2 measure (need to chain
    together) jazz pattern that works particularly well for a song like
    'Fever' (Peggy Lee originally did this), in 3/4 time. I had 2 other
    parts to this somewhere, but, I can't seem to locate it at the moment.

	Pattern Name: Fever 1
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH   X           X       X               X       X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Open HH                            X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X                               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+


	Pattern Name: Fever 2
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH   X           X       X               X       X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Open HH                            X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Hi Tom	                                   X
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Low Tom                                            X   X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X                               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+


    And,  here is another set of jazzy patterns (in this case, Jack
    Jones' version of the Bacharach tune 'Wives & Lovers' - Circa 1963).
    

    	Pattern Name: WL Verse
	Note: Used for all but the last measure of the verse
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH   X           X           X       X       X   X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Open HH                                        X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Cymbal     X                              
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Snare          X           X               X     
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X		   X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X       X       X       X       X       X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+


        	Pattern Name: WL Verse End 1
		Note: One way of Ending the Verse
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH   X   X   X   X   X   X   X   X   X       X   X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Open HH                                        X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Cymbal     X                              
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X		   X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X       X       X       X       X       X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+


        	Pattern Name: WL Verse End 2
		Note: Another ending (good to alternate with each other)
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH       X       X       X   X   X   X       X   X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Open HH                                        X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Cymbal     X       X       X       X      
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Snare          X           X                     
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X		   X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X               X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+


    
        	Pattern Name: WL Break
		Note: Used during the solo part
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Close HH       X       X        X      X       X       X
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Cymbal     X       X       X       X       X       X
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
	Snare          X           X               X     
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X		   X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X       X                       X        
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

    
    	Pattern Name: WL Verse Quiet Part
	Note: Used when all other instrumentation is supposed to be quiet
    
		   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Cymbal     X                              
       		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Bass Drum  X		   X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
        Accent     X               X       X               X
    		   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+



    I could give you a nice 5/4 time pattern, but for some reason, the only
    5/4 tune that anyone seems to know is 'Take 5', so, it's not really the
    most useful one to have stored away (It's quite an SOB to sequence, I
    might add, getting things to feel natural & all).

							Jens

    re: .24 if that's a re: my .23 then read on...
    
    I noticed that care in quantizing is important when using a pad
    to input program data, however using either 1/48 or 1/64 quantize
    value seems to work ok most of the time as long as I play with
    some sense of rhythm ( a real challenge despite my two years of
    drum lessions so long ago...), what I found last night was
    that it usually takes me two or three tries to get a pattern right
    and then I've usually lost the feel for what I was trying to do
    in the first place...:-) no challenge to any real drummers for certain
    
    
    I intent to try this approach next:
    
    1. create a lifeless drum pattern that works with the rhythm guitar
    2. record with a sync track the drums and the rhythm guitar track
    3. using the sync track to sync to the guitar re-program the HR
       to the entire song
    4. erase tape/start over with new 'lifelike' drum program
                  
    This may seem like the long way around but since usually all that
    exists when I being to program a song is the words and rhythm guitar
    it's easier for me to approach it this way. And since I usually
    abandon the original arrangement halfway through the recording process
    in favor of a 'new improved' arrangement I may as well spend the
    time in getting the drums to sound 'right' (to me anyway).
    
    dbii 

    A couple of things...  I've tried sequencing some of the patterns in
    .0 and it's OK, but really dry.  I read the humanize note and didn't
    get that many pointers from it.  I've had the same result from some of
    the patterns in "Len's Drum Lesson.*".
    It boils down to some of the comments I saw by Len.  Everyone thinks
    drumming should be easy - but it isn't.  For example I would not
    sequence a hard piano bit and then complain since it sounds mechanical,
    yet I do exactly this when I try to get some good drum tracks.
    In rereading all the related notes I have failed to find a comprehensive
    workable method to getting some nice sounding drumming.
    All in all I am at a disadvantage due to the fact that I am what someone
    called, an unsophisticated listener.  I tried using the accents supplied
    with sequences and it really doesn't seem to do the trick.  A clear
    methodology would be nice.  I noticed a reference to Len's follow on
    of his drumming dissertation, that would cover more things about
    drumming.  Have I missed this somewhere?
    Also, though not as important, I have been trying to figure out the
    drums in the Beatle's 'Get Back' - anybody feel like doing this one
    accents and all?  Maybe I'll learn from examples?
    Thanks,
    Tim

    
    Uhm, uh, well, I uh, haven't written the remaining two lessons yet.
    
    One of these days, you know, "real soon now".
    
    len.
    

    Why don't start by analyzing what is it that makes it sound mechanical to 
    you?
    
    There's gotta be dozens of things that can make drum machines sound
    fake.
    
    	db

I can't argue with the dryness aspect. I do, however, use these same exact
drum patterns frequently, which implies that these are very similar some
'average' (what ever that means) or 'stock' drum patterns that appear
frequently in 50's, 60's, 70's & 80's Rock, as well as special cases.

As I've maintained all along, everything is relative to what it is that
you are doing. When I sequence songs, I often do the verse or break part
of a song manually (ala pounding on the related note keys on my synth
keyboard), but I almost always use the drum machine for entering the rolls.
Probably 1/2 of the time I only use the Drum Machine. Everything relates
to the context that the drum patterns are being used in. If you are trying for
a specific sound, or style, you may have to figure out what it takes to do
that. You might find that a song in 4/4 time has parts that are played in
3/4 on top of 4/4 sections (by this I mean that someone is not always
playing in 4/4 time, while practically everyone else is). This adds motion,
tension & dynamics to the song. The TR-xxx line of drum machines limit you
to a pre-quantized value & it's not easy to coordinate mixing 3/4 & 4/4 (not
to mention 5/4) time signatures.

As Len has very effectively stated (any many others also), drummers are not
simple metronomes. They add a substantial feel to many songs. At the same time
a drum machine can do an adequate job as long as your expectations are not
beyond the capabilities of the hardware. I use both the Drum Machine and
a Sequencer when I play live (The sequencer can drive the Drum Machine & the
MT32 sound module, or the Drum Machine can drive the MT-32 module). It's
realitively easy to create your own drum patterns on a sequencer & if you
mix the capabilities of manual entry and a pattern sequencer (as found in
a drum machine), you can eliminate a great portion of what might be considered
the dry sound that you feel. I used to play drums & I'll be the first to
admit that no general, pre-quantized drum machine will ever equal a real
drummer, but.....

The Drum Machine can resolve a great many of your needs depending on what
it is that you are trying to do. The reason that I entered the patterns
that I use was more to assist people in getting a start point with some
fairly good representatives of a measure of two of workable drum patterns.
They are not the only ones, nor will they fit everything, but, they aren't
bad. From some start points, you can often expand on to better things (it's
always easier when you have something that's similar to what you have in
mind). Drum machines blindly play what you tell them to do, drummers tend
to move things around all of the time. The newer drum machines are taking
steps to do what drummers naturally do. However, there are many instances
when you can't tell (or don't care) if it's real or pattern sequence loop 
on songs. It all depends on what you are trying to do.

							Jens

    Is  this naive to suggest you simply shut off
    quantization, bang in a phrase of  (pick  the
    drum  or  effect  of  your choice) real time,
    then 'overdub' it again and again layering on
    the  drums  you  want? Build several patterns
    containing the key  drum  phrases:

    	1) intro or count;
    	2) verse style 1 pattern;
    	3) verse bridge fill;
    	4) refrain pattern;
    	5) verse style 2 pattern;
    	6) closing pattern
    	7) big finish riffs

    Link  these  to  make  the drum tracks to one
    song. Since you enter it with  quantize  off,
    you have to be fairly quick on your feet; ie,
    you have to be accurate. But... since  you're
    programming  rather than 'really' playing you
    can wipe out the drum line you goofed on  and
    re-enter   it  if  you  totally  bombed  your
    timing. 

    This way you can swing  the  snare  beats  or
    accents with the bass beats, or whatever.

    Should give you a pretty natural feel.
    

    Good luck! This sounds good in theory, but...

	Actually, you have it right. If your sequencer has higher
	resolution than your drum machine, you should be able to
	do a fairly good job with minimal quantizing. For example,
	(lets assume that you have a sequencer that allows for multiple
	concurrant tracks). Track one might be only Bass drum and Snare.
	Track 2 might be open/close high-hat. While you might want to 
	quantize the Bass/Snare, you'll get a better feel if you can 
	leave the hi-hat as it was (unless you are really way off in
	your timing, even then, you could probably edit the note on/off
	for that note(s).

	Once you like what you what hear, you can either merge the tracks 
	together, or maybe, you could make track 3 into a Ride Cymbal
	pattern. This way, you could use the same Bass/Snare for Different
	verses, but switch between hi-hat or ride, depending on where
	you are in the song. While I think that consistant velocity on
	the hi-hat sounds tolerable, it really sounds mediocre on the
	Ride Cymbal (I like to vary the levels between 80/90/100 - these
	are from a range of 0-127 in the MIDI Velocity). You can edit
	this data on some sequencers. You have to consider where a more
	'bouncy sound' is needed.

	Most pattern sequencer drum machines (not the newer ones with 
	'humanizing' features) only give you a limited amount of level
	control. Some (like the HR-16) let you edit the notes one at
	a time (every drum sound can be at some random level in a sequence),
	others like the TR-505 only allow you to pick constant levels.
	For example, 'no accent' drum sounds are at MIDI velocity 48, '
	Accented' drum sounds are at MIDI velicity 96. You can edit each 
	drum sound level independantly, however, once set, you either 
	output at 48 or 96 (range is 0 to 127). I can't think of any 
	drummers who always hit drums, cymbals or any other percussion at 
	only 2 perfectly established velocities. You can easily hear when 
	this is the case, ie, sounds mechanical.
	
	You can take a drum machine & feed it into a sequencer & then
	edit note velocities if need be, or you could define only the
	Bass / Snare combination on the drum machine & add the other 
	supporting percussion sounds manually. It won't take you long
	to notice that some styles of music tend to use only sight 
	variations in the Bass / Snare patterns for 90% of a song, with
	drum rolls & fills being the major areas of variation. 

	Do you have a sequencer?? Do you only have a Drum Machine??

							Jens

>	Do you have a sequencer?? Do you only have a Drum Machine??

Are you asking me or Tim?  At any rate, I have an Hr16 which I program
via an octapad, 4 (barcus barry) acoustic drum pickups, and 2 Drum Workshop
EP1 foot pedals (actually, the EP1s are in the mail).

I have no probs programming real time then editing. I've been using one of
the pickups on the bass drum, so generally I can enter everything 'live'
(as opposed to dead?) via the pads or the set, then edit if needed.

   Ps, trick number two for setting up a pattern for no immediate
   song (ie, to try experiments, get new feels, set up for generic
   riffs, etc):

   When using an HR16, set the length to something really bizarre
   like 64 or something. (I forget how high you can go). Then just
   play. Don't worry about mistakes, just play.  Play one button or
   pad or several pads if you have the option.

   Afterwards, reset the length downward, edit as required, copy to 
   a new pattern for use as a base line, then play over this new
   pattern to add effects, latin percussion riffs , etc.

    Thanks for advice (if it's been for me :-) ), FWIW I have an EPS and
    use it for all instruments including drums.  The sequencer is actually
    quite nice.  Since posting my last request a few replies ago, I've been
    trying out more patterns.  I have found some sound much
    better when I vary the volume more than 48 and 96.  If I crank some
    notes way up (120ish) and dim some way down (20ish) I like the sound of
    the pattern much more.  Maybe the drums I'm using on EPS have an odd
    volume structure due to any of 10 billion parameters in the instrument.
    I'll have to check on that, maybe someone who knows'll post it in the
    EPS note?  Does anyone else vary drum volume this much?  I noticed,
    Len, in one of your replies you listed volume in the 1-6 range - that's
    what got mee started adding more volume variation.
    -Tim
    

    re .34 - the MC-500 rhythm track allows you to specify volume levels
    from 0 to 8.  You can elsewhere map values 1 to 8 onto any set of
    MIDI velocity levels (0 always means MIDI velocity 0).  In addition,
    the new S-MRC software allows you to offset those velocity levels on
    a bar by bar basis.  This combination of features results in quite
    flexible dynamics.
    
    I generally don't use quite as much dynamic range as you specified;
    it's more like 32 to 120 for me, and even then I only use that much
    in a bar-long crescendo.  Within a riff, the range is more likely
    to be 64 to 112.
    
    One thing I suggest you do is create a true crescendo, say from
    1 to 127 by steps of 4, so you can audition the velocity sensitivity
    of your rhythm instruments.  You may be surprised by the instruments'
    behaviours.
    
    len.
     

re    <<< Note 1786.0 by TYFYS::MOLLER "Holloween the 13th on Elm Street #7" >>>
>                       -< Drum Machine Patterns & Usage >-

	Thanks, I still don't have a drum machine, but I finally got
around to trying to sequence these into DMCS on an AMIGA, via a
keyboard  { do I hear giggles from the wings ? }

	My instruments are assigned to keys from left to right

		low -> high  

 	i.e.	(bass -> Cymbals)


	I found it easier to read and play from the tab patterns once 
I had edited them to put the bass drum on the bottom line, the snare 
above the bass, closed high at above those, and so on.  I suppose you 
wrote them the other way to follow a drum machine layout ?    For
those using similar keyboard layouts to mine I will include the edited 
patterns in this reply.
 
>              Translation table (16 Step to 96 beats / measure)
 
>                 1 = 1/00,  2 = 1/24,  3 = 1/48,  4 = 1/72
 
>                 5 = 2/00,  6 = 2/24,  7 = 2/48,  8 = 2/72
 
>                 9 = 3/00, 10 = 3/24, 11 = 3/48, 12 = 3/72
 
>                13 = 4/00, 14 = 4/24, 15 = 4/48, 16 = 4/72

	I didn't understand this table at all  - -  again, if its
something peculiar to drum machines I probably shouldn't expect to.

	Cut here, everything from here on is  "reasonably"  paginated.

 
 
              Translation table (16 Step to 96 beats / measure)
 
                 1 = 1/00,  2 = 1/24,  3 = 1/48,  4 = 1/72
 
                 5 = 2/00,  6 = 2/24,  7 = 2/48,  8 = 2/72
 
                 9 = 3/00, 10 = 3/24, 11 = 3/48, 12 = 3/72
 
                13 = 4/00, 14 = 4/24, 15 = 4/48, 16 = 4/72
 

	MIDI Levels: To simplify these settings, assume that any Step that
		     has an ACCENT enabled on it is at velocity level 100, 
		     and any Step without ACCENT enabled is at velocity
		     level 50. 

	The 'Scale' values shown are meaningful to those with a TR-XXX
	drum machine. The 'd' shown corresponds with the 'note' symbol that
	Roland uses. It may not be extremely meaningful out of this context.
 
 
 
                Pattern Name: Start Count - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Used as the count down click track for the first
		      measure. Use in much the same way a real drummer
		      would start a song up.
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Cymb Stop - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Used to end a song (the cymbal crash), or add a
		      pause where the bass drum is predominate.
 

        1) Rock & Roll Patterns

	NOTE: All of the Rock & Roll Patterns should work together to
	      a large degree. In other words, if you wanted to go from the
	      NORM R&R Pattern to the GENERIC ROLL and then back to the
	      NORM R&R again, they should sound as if they belong together.


        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Lively R&R - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH    X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH      X  X  X     X  X  X     X  X  X     X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X        X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: I use this pattern for La Bamba, Johnny B. Goode
		      and various places where the pattern needs a lift.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Lively Roll - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Hi Tom                       X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Mid Tom                               X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH      X  X  X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Lo Tom                                            X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: This roll fits with the LIVELY R&R pattern
 


                Pattern Name: Norm Quiet
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Rim Shot               X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Used during quiet interludes, or the end of a song.
		       
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Norm Cymb - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym   X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Good for chorus sections of a song.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Norm Rock - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X           X     X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: The Standard generic Rock & Roll beat.



                Pattern Name: Norm Power - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Not the most useful pattern, but fine when you want
		      to make a point.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Generic Roll - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Hi Tom                 X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Mid Tom                            X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Lo Tom                                         X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Commonly heard drum roll. Good for country tunes
		      as well as R&R.




                Pattern Name: R&R Roll - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X        X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Hi Tom                                         X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X                 X                 X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Lo Tom                       X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X  X  X  X  X  X     X  X  X  X  X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Drum roll more fitting to R&R. Great if chained
		      such that the GENERIC roll occurs immediately before
		      the R&R roll.
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Sweet Home 1 - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X           X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Originally worked out for 'Sweet Home Alabama', but
		      works well in other songs. More of a slight country
		      feel.




                Pattern Name: Sweet Home 2 - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH       X        X                 X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X  X     X  X  X  X  X     X  X     X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Provides for a variation on the 'Sweet Home' pattern.
		      Use for chorus parts.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Alt HiHat - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Fits better with MOTOWN style songs than other styles.
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Alt Cymb - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X     X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Variation on 'ALT NORM' pattern, used for chorus
		      sections.



                Pattern Name: Alt Norm - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X                 X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Provides a variation on the 'NORM R&R' pattern. Good
		      for slower country tunes, or R&R songs that need 
		      a different pattern than 'NORM R&R' provides.
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Alt Norm Cymb - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X                 X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym              X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Variation on 'ALT NORM' providing a Crash Cymbal.
		      Best when not repeated endlessly, or chained with
		      ALT NORM.



                Pattern Name: Techno R&R - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X           X     X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: A more Techno/Pop Drum pattern. A busier Bass Drum
		      is the dominant feature.
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Soul R&R - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym   X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X     X              X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: More feeling towards SOUL drum patterns. Bass Drum
		      Kick Provides the feel.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Wipe-Out Part 1 - 4/4    (Chain to Part 2)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Lo Tom     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: As the name implies - this is a close approximation
		      of the well known DRUM part in WIPE OUT.



                Pattern Name: Wipe-Out Part 2  (Chain to Part 1)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X           X     X           X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Lo Tom     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
 


        2) Other Music Styles:
 
                Pattern Name: Waltz 1 - 3/4
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym                     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare            X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Simple Waltz 
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Waltz 2 - 3/4
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym                     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH         X  X  X           X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare            X     X           X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Variation on Simple Waltz

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Disco 1 - 4/4   (Chain to Disco 2)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X     X  X  X     X  X  X     X  X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                    X  X     X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Generic DISCO drum tempo



                Pattern Name: Disco 2 - 4/4   (Chain to Disco 1)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X                                X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X     X  X  X  X  X  X     X     X     X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X                    X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Bossa Nova 1  - 4/4  (chain to Bossa Nova 2)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X                    X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X     X  X  X  X  X  X     X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X        X        X           X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X        X  X        X  X        X  X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
	        NOTE: Good for slow country or slow rock (try 40 - 50 Beats
		      per minute) or a Jazzy song (like George Benson's
		      version of 'ON BROADWAY' - about 60 Beats per minute)

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Bossa Nova 1  - 4/4  (chain to Bossa Nova 2)
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym                              X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH          X                                      X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X        X        X           X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X        X  X        X  X        X  X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+



                Pattern Name: Bossa Cymb - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym   X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH      X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X        X        X           X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X        X  X        X  X        X  X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Variation on the generic Bossa Nova pattern - good
		      for chorus sections.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Swing Roll - 3/4
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X     X  X     X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare      X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X              X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Drum roll for SWING pattern (Rockabilly feel -
		      Elvira, That'll be the Day, Kansas City, Blue
		      Suede Shoes etc.)
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Norm Swing - 3/4
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X     X  X     X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                      X              X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X        X     X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare               X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X              X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Generic SWING tempo.


                Pattern Name: Swing Quiet - 3/4
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X     X  X     X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                      X              X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X        X     X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X              X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Provides for variation on the generic SWING pattern.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: March Norm - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X           X           X           X     X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare            X           X           X           X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: 2 step, or Polka beat. John Phillip Souza marchs.

        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: March HiHat - 4/4
 
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X  X     X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare            X           X           X           X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X           X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
		NOTE: Variation on standard MARCH. Feels a bit like a train
		      puffing along the tracks.



                Pattern Name: Ballad 1 - 3/4  (chain to Ballad 2)
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X  X           X  X     X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare               X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X  X  X           X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+

		NOTE: Used for songs like 'Don't it make my brown eyes
		      blue'. Good for slow dancing.
 
        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Ballad 2 - 3/4  (chain to Ballad 1)
 
                Scale      d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d  d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X        X        X        X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Ride Cym   X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH      X     X     X     X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare               X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X           X  X  X           X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 


	3) RAP tune patterns 
 
        The average Rap song seems to fit in at around 90 to 100 BPM.
        These Drum Patterns will work for other styles of music also.
	Since Rap music tends to focus more on the drums & percussion
	sounds in general, you need more variations to keep things 
	interesting.
 
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Rap 1A - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X     X  X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Rap 1B - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                              X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH                              X  X  X  X  X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X     X  X                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Rap 2A - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X  X     X        X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+



                Pattern Name: Rap 2B - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Crash Cym                          X           X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X  X     X        X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Rap 3 - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X     X  X     X        X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
                Pattern Name: Rap 3 Clap - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                Step       1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Hand Clap  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X                       X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X     X  X     X        X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
                NOTE: Hand Claps could be moved to positions 5 & 13 also


                Pattern Name: Rap 3 Roll - 4/4
                Scale      d           d           d           d
                           1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Accent     X     X     X     X     X     X     X     X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Open HH                                                 X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Close HH   X     X     X     X     X     X     X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Snare                  X              X  X  X  X  X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
                Bass Drum  X     X        X     X  X     X        X  X
                           +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
 
 

    ...reading thru some of the old replies here, I came across the
    discussion about convincing drum rolls. Here's a technique I've used
    with success on my HR16...
    
    First, assign a snare drum to *3* pads. Two pads should have identical
    MIX parameters, while the third should have the LEVEL argument set
    considerably lower.
    
    Perform the basic roll on the 2 identical pads, alternating pads for
    each stroke so as to avoid any retriggering truncation. If needed, you
    can then edit the velocities to emulate strong/weak arm dynamics. You
    can also shift either/both pads forward or backward to push or pull
    the timing by using the OFFSET function. A couple of CPTs can do
    wonders in getting rid of Mr. Robo-drummer...
    
    Now use the FILL button to add the 3rd pad at twice the resolution. (If
    the first two pads are at 16th notes, use 32nds. Keep both the velocity
    dynamics and the MIX LEVEL very low. Also use that all important OFFSET
    function to kill the dead-on mechanicalness. Some judicious editing of
    velocities (1's and 2's) should leave you with a convincing emulation
    of bouncing sticks...
    
    The idea is to convey the actual roll with the 2 identical pads, while
    using the third to set up the bounces at a level well below the primary
    strokes.
    
    Edd

    Very clever Eddie...
    
    len.
    

    My trick is now FDA approved... (Fehskens' Drumming Assoc.)
    
    Edd