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But they are awfully overdue on announcing and delivering some new
earth-shattering equipment and new technology.  Everybody else has and all
we get from Y* is old stuff in new packages.

Chad

Except of course their sampler.  For the money ($1195), it is an extremely
good deal.  Stereo sampler with 1.5 meg expandable to 6 meg, etcc.
If it cost much more then I'd look other places of course. :-)

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>Except of course their sampler.  For the money ($1195), it is an extremely
>good deal.  Stereo sampler with 1.5 meg expandable to 6 meg, etcc.
>If it cost much more then I'd look other places of course. :-)

    Gee, with the extremely BAD (for us) yen-to-dollar exchange rate,
    the high cost/unavailability of DRAMs, and the relatively high cost
    of the TX81W's competition, one would expect it to cost FAR more.
    It'd be interesting to know what the TX81W costs in Japan.
    
    Either the competition (US and Japanese samplers) are overcharging,
    or Yamaha has a real sales doggy on its hands and is DUMPING in
    the US.  
    
    karl, madly trying to justify his EMAX purchase

    Re: dumping the doggie...
    
    I just can't help but believe YAMAHA (*I* can say it...) knows they've
    got a sales dog on their hands. A load time measured in minutes
    really bytes..
    
    Edd

    Hmmm....
    
    You know, I did see a few Mirages for sales at LaSalle's last monday
    for $595. I could feel my credit card just burning in my wallet!
    
    dp
    
    p.s.
    
    Can you dump generic SYSEX to the TX16W's disk drive???
    
    

YEAH   12 Bits   like other popular samplers, the S-550/330, AKAI S900, Emax
etc.

Only 16 bitters I know of are Emulator III, Casio, Akai S1000, and that Dynacord
thing in the ads in KEYBOARD mag.

I think the TX16W ranks up in there with the Akai, Roland, etc group of samplers.
For $1195 (S550 = ~2300-2800, EMAX = $$$ 2000 - 3000 +, EPS = 1800 + ,
Akai = ??? 2500 ??? ) it is a great deal.  It has good filtering (and with
"dynamic filters"), good sound, 8 outs plus 2 mix outs (for stereo), 1.5 meg
memory (expandable -- S-550 also has 1.5 meg for comparison), a large
( about 100 disks) sound library (Daddy's lets me copy it for free ) etc etc
etc. 

If I had 2400 or so I would get an S550 for the video interface.  The TX16W in
my humble opinion has the sound of the big guys (and its list is with the
big guys -- $2895).  It has a few zits but for saving 1200 from an S550
I'll live with them.  (Though you may be interested to know I would like a
second sampler some day, and I'd like the S-550.)

It may be dumped because it didn't catch, but it suits my needs just fine and
was cheap.  Definitely better sound than a mirage if what I hear about Mirages
is true :-)

Chad

PS:  If the TX16Ws drop to 850 or so in the next year, I may get a second one.

    The load time isn't in minutes anymore with the new s/w release,
    if I remember right.

    I'm thinking hard about getting one ...

-b

    Is it fast enuf to allow you to swap samples between songs live?
    
    Edd who's_6_or_7_seconds_to_load_Mirage_is_just_barely_tolerable

RE: Edd

Probably not fast enough for that.  6-7 seconds is a fast time to beat.  
But remember we are filling 1.5 meg, which is more memory to fill.  Still, 
the load time is a bit much for one sampler live applications.  Remember though,
you can use two of them in such a situation (2 * 1200 = 2400 = 1 S-550 :-) and
do alternate loading on songs, or expand to 6 meg and dump approx. 8 disks
in at once and have several songs worth of memory loaded in ready to go
for just a patch change :-)

Brad,

I'll let you (and everyone else) know if and how much faster it is when I finally
get the new OS.  According to the blurbs, it should make sampling and
arranging of sounds easier.

Chad

    Increasing internal RAM v. getting a hard disk is getting to be
    a tricky decision. Third party comanys are supposed to be working
    on cheep memory upgrades for ensoniq gear; it's already only 180
    pounds per meg for a Casio sampler. I think I'd prefer a longer
    load time ending up with loads on board rather than a quick load
    disk system (which I think would be the weak link in the technological
    chain  - beer on disk, no noise from sampler).
    
    Richard.

and not even vaporware yet -- the TX16W has a port for a hard drive that will
be supported in a "future release of the operating system", whatever that
means...

Chad

    
    ...it means: "MAYBE"
    
    maybe not.
    
    
    rr
    

    Thanks, Chad.  (Say, could you make sure that your text wraps at 80
    columns?  I'm getting tired of reading along and all of a sudden having to    

    Anyway, my wife just told me this morning that if I wanted a TX16W for
    Christmas that I could have one.  I *may* be getting very serious about
    this. 

-b

    Thank You, Thank You. I just called MY boss...er...I mean wife,
    and told her I wanted one. She said no, so I told her "Well, Brad's
    wife said HE could get one...". So now I've been upgraded to "Maybe."
    
    
    PJ
    
    p.s Your name IS Brad,isn't it? I assumed so, but you know what they
    say about assumptions (forgive me, I'm kinda new).
    

    My name *was* Brad.  I daresay after you browbeat your wife into
    letting you get one of these things, it will be something much more
    base. 

    Sigh.  With initials like bs, whaddya expect?

-b

re: os update

(Brad, i don't know if you want to move this discussion to the TX16W note 
1006 ? -- also, I'll watch the 80 characters.  I am using  notes T2.0
under DECwindows and sometimes don't catch it scrolling past the window.
I'll keep short lines :-)


I just called Y* DMI division.  She (again) took my name and said she
would send the "Basic Sampling Guide" to me (what should have been
in the box if you ask me...).  She said the OS update disk wasn't
ready yet... Said she would back-order it for me. She was nice though.

So, we have to wait...

Chad

    
    Come on Brad, be PROUD of those initials! You know, once upon a
    time, there were these papers floating around interoffice mail
    (the non-electric kind) called memo's, and if you authored one,
    you were supposed to initial them! I truely miss the glee and joy
    of a nice flourishing BS - they are priviliged initials!
    
    Oh, and most of the base terms my wife uses unfortunately have nothing
    to do with my initials ;^)
    
    				_bs_
    

    Er, yeah.

    Since this note is going nowhere anyway, does anyone know the
    difference between a Sequential SPLIT-8 and a T-8?  Jus' curious...

-b

     
    The T-8 was basically a hot-rodded Prophet with full velocity and
    (poly!!) aftertouch.
    
    A Split-Eight was cousin to the Six-Trak, a single oscillator board,
    velocity by MIDI only.  It allowed key splits (surprise) and each
    one had it own audio output.
    
    

Hi Edd -

I am physically unable to say the Y-word. After spending 5 hours at
Daddy's in Nashua trying out over 500 different patches for the DX7
using various cartridges, and not liking *one single sound* (I can't
believe it either) I have given up on Y-word completely. I tryed
again with a TX81Z which I purchased from Caruso's mailorder. After
a month I sold it (for a profit 8^)). For my tastes, the only reason
to buy Y-word gear is to resell at a profit. I spell relief ...


	R  O  L  A  N(I)  D  S

keep on trying Y-guy

dave

Daddy's recently got a copy of the V2.0 OS for the TX16W sampler.  I copied
the OS itself but not the support files on the disk (yet).  They didn't
yet have any documentation for it.  The salesman said the Y* rep came in
for <5 minutes, copied the disk, said <10words about it and left.  It is
much different.  It appears that some of the functions don't have a menu
choice for them (like COPY DISK), unlike the V1 disk, which had a menu choice
for a lot of functions.  I haven't been able to figure much out on it
except obvious things like how to load a disk, etc.  The sampling part seems
to be the same to but I haven't actually tried the new OS
sampling part of the OS.  It is faster on the load but only by about 10%  :-(
For you live action giggers, that is a minus.  I don't care as much as I only
do my home stuff and have plenty of things to do while it is loading.

I'll have more to say when I get my complete copy with documentation.

It does seem to have enhanced "file" hadling capability.

Chad

PS:  I think we have at least the following samplers amongst us:

S550
S50
S10
EPS
Mirage
Casio FZ-1
Korg DSS-1
Y* TX16W
Emax

Akai ???

I would like to take a poll on load times.  Please state how long it takes
your sampler to load X amount of memory.  The amount of memory being loaded
is important in the time calculations.  Let us take the poll in a new
note I will open  (It seems the next free one is 1807 but you will find
it)